Google PM L6, contacted by FB for L6, should I even explore?

Google ypqJ88
Jul 31 36 Comments

L6 PM at google, good WLB, interest in the current area low (but... internal, good WLB I said?). Wasn't looking thinking will look for more excitement at Google when I hit my 2-year mark at the current and first role (about 5 months away).

contacted by FB Director PM, targeting specific role L6 (none of that general loop crap, I know what team/role). Interest in that role high. so...

1/ In general, thoughts on FB PM vs Google? I hear it is more intense, worse WLB... so all else equal, anyone makes a case to consider FB?

2/ comp wise, any stats on even a potential of better TC as L6 at FB vs Google (because really that needs to be part of the deal to make me leave). current TC 360K, no refreshers yet.

More metadata: I got one CM and one EE since I joined. expect my 3rd per to be EE but not sure yet :-)

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  • Amazon azmix
    Your TC is likely to increase by 50-100K by default and you can then negotiate some more given the specific interest from FB. If TC is not an issue, come to Amazon, we pay about the same but are looking for strong PMs, particularly at AWS.
    Aug 1 17
    • Amazon azmix
      Oh, and we have the finance technology team :-) You can look it up on the Amazon.jobs web site.
      Aug 1
    • Chase / Product ptgi36
      @azmix thanks, looking into it :)
      Aug 1
    • Microsoft tincans
      Also, note that product role may not be the same everywhere. The PMTs for products in AWS are highly technical and most of them were engineers before PM. That's infact very different from the product managers in Amazon retail both in terms of role and pay.
      Aug 1
    • Amazon azmix
      @tincans, yes, we have pmt folks in retail as well, fewer than in AWS though.
      Aug 1
    • Microsoft tincans
      PMT in AWS is little different from PMT in retail though. At least for many of them working in products. It's a different job family
      Aug 1
  • Facebook Koool
    Yes
    Jul 31 0
  • Microsoft tincans
    Google L6 PM is only 360TC?🤔 Why do I find so varying numbers. I see some Google PM offers here for L5 going above 350 and L6 above 400. What's the truth here? Are there well publicised ranges?
    Jul 31 2
    • AIG / Product
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      Ranges overlap
      Aug 1
    • Facebook Koool
      Even Facebook doesn’t pay PM that high.
      Aug 1
  • Uber uEcon
    You should consider. From my experience working at G, PMs there are just for namesake and engineers drive everything. In FB you will have a real job.
    Jul 31 2
    • Google go/ogler
      This is not true.
      Jul 31
    • Yahoo / Product Truth
      Team dependent
      Aug 1
  • Amazon prt
    What's CM & EE?
    Jul 31 0
  • Facebook ewQj67
    No refresher after almost 2 years ?
    Jul 31 1
    • Google ypqJ88
      OP
      noogler rules, when you join after some date (I think April) you cannot get a refresh on first perf cycle (Jan next year)
      Jul 31
  • Google go/ogler
    TC can be higher at FB, that’s a given.

    Outside of that, how much more excitement do you want in your life? Starting a new job at a new company is always stressful. FB is more stressful than G in general. So... are you willing to give up some WLB for some more TC? It’s really a personal choice, no right answer.

    Also, think about if you get bored at G or FB and need to switch teams. IMO G has more options, some of them more exciting than others of course but more to choose from.
    Jul 31 0
  • Google go/ogler
    Was your CM for the first perf cycle? Is it true that they can’t give you EE on your first cycle? 😓
    Jul 31 3
    • Google ypqJ88
      OP
      yes for my first, and I think I rocket it.. as much as you can (still, you can do great relatively, but absolutely speaking you can't say you contribute to the company as much as someone that has been in that team for the year right? ) so I don't know if it is true that ALWAyS you get CM for first, but I bet it is VERY correlated.
      Jul 31
    • Google mincedG
      Makes sense. At least wait until your 2yr mark and see how much you’re getting in refreshers (even if you go to FB then, you can prob get a bigger TC there). Also, did you look at internal transfer? There should be plenty L5/L6 opps.
      Jul 31
    • Google ypqJ88
      OP
      @mincedG if you are willing to suggest good areas please DM. I will at least start nurturing/networking. I hear some areas are not good (2 pms in my group came running from HW) so I don't want to go to a negative place
      Aug 3
  • Facebook lifeisgr88
    Which part of FB?
    Jul 31 1
    • Google ypqJ88
      OP
      let's say somewhere in the technical teams, around AI or assistant.
      Aug 3
  • AIG / Product
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    Don't bother.
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