Google T4 to T5 promotion

Amazon May15
May 15, 2018 20 Comments

Hi, I received Google offer for T4.

There is not much hope of getting promotion to sde3 in Amazon due to recent reorgs happening in my team. Also, learning is limited as there are no good projects in my team, everyone is doing rest and vest.

I am considering Google offer. How easy/difficult is it to get promoted to L5 for external hires. What does timeline look like, and what are the traits needed to move upwards.

Any comparison with Amazon promotions would be useful.

I will be joining Google Cloud team in Fremont.

Any career advice is most welcome.

6yoe, sde2, Seattle
Current TC: $300k (stock-$1700)
Google TC: $300k (plus $30k signon)

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  • Amazon dalejrjr
    Why do you care about level if you will be paid SDE3 money?
    May 15, 2018 3
    • Amazon May15
      OP
      Levels are important in corporate. You are naive to not realize this, especially in Amazon.
      May 15, 2018
    • Amazon dalejrjr
      Sure, it's better to be higher level, but you should be happy you're getting 330k offer while being overpaid at Amazon at 60k less. First world problems
      May 15, 2018
    • Amazon May15
      OP
      You answered your own question 😀.

      Btw I am happy 😉
      May 15, 2018
  • Google / Eng Abfxs
    Thats pretty nice offer for L4. I got promoted to L5 in 1.5 years. Had 3 yrs of experience in AWS.

    My teammate (MIT phd) got promoted twice in 1.5 years. Because of central promo committee, there is less politics and it all depends on your projects. You need to show 1-2 L5 level projects.
    May 15, 2018 1
    • LinkedIn 90091e
      How big are L5 and L6 projects?
      May 15, 2018
  • New hermit
    May 16, 2018 0
  • Oscar / Eng
    dumb|dumb

    Oscar Eng

    BIO
    Fuck you, but wats up bro.
    dumb|dumbmore
    Don’t count signon as TC.
    May 15, 2018 6
    • Oscar / Eng
      dumb|dumb

      Oscar Eng

      BIO
      Fuck you, but wats up bro.
      dumb|dumbmore
      Not sure, but I’d look at a table with Base/RSU/Bonus and signon is just an extra cash for the first year.
      May 15, 2018
    • Amazon dalejrjr
      First two years. After you're getting refreshers which are included in Google TC table, so it's fair to include sign-on
      May 15, 2018
    • Oscar / Eng
      dumb|dumb

      Oscar Eng

      BIO
      Fuck you, but wats up bro.
      dumb|dumbmore
      Google’s split into two years?
      May 15, 2018
    • Amazon May15
      OP
      no
      May 15, 2018
    • Oscar / Eng
      dumb|dumb

      Oscar Eng

      BIO
      Fuck you, but wats up bro.
      dumb|dumbmore
      So why the heck are we talking about first two years? Anyway, let just say :) it’s a good number.
      May 15, 2018
  • Google Facebook
    Wow, that’s a lot for L4 with 6 yoe in Seattle. Congrats!
    May 15, 2018 0
  • Facebook learner
    All depends on team & manager. I had been through 2 re-orgs in 2 years after getting to T4. After seeing no chance of getting up in near the future I just interviewed other places and left. :)
    May 15, 2018 1
    • Amazon May15
      OP
      Were you able to get higher level outside?
      May 15, 2018
  • Amazon Nkbf63
    What is the T4 breakdown?
    Will your TC at Amazon go down by a lot if you don’t get promoted?
    May 15, 2018 1
    • Amazon May15
      OP
      Yes, in 2020
      May 15, 2018
  • OP, did you join Google? If so, what do you think the promotion probability is?
    I am in the same ship as you but about 8-9 months late.
    Jan 10 0

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