Google Team Match / HC Help

Mark43 Dath23
Oct 25 28 Comments

Hi,

I had an onsite at Google a couple of weeks ago. The recruiter said the feedback was that I was borderline L5/strong L4. He also added that nothing was guaranteed and the next step is HC.

Prior to going to HC, the recruiter said it'd be good for me to get a statement of support from a HM (he can only submit one per package) and that would be the team match for me.

So, I chatted with the hiring managers of the following teams.

1. Youtube Main App Eng Prod (San Bruno)
2. Build, Test, and Release Infrastructure Eng Prod (Sunnyvale)
3. Gmail FE Eng Prod (Sunnyvale)

Questions I have:

1. How does Eng Prod teams compare to traditional product teams? I don't have a problem building infrastructure as I have done plenty of product engineering in my life, but I would prefer not to be in an automation testing position which I have read on some other posts.

2. What are some of the pros/cons of each team? Which team would you choose? I'm mainly looking for a place where there is ample amount of opportunity with relatively little bureaucracy. I am leaning towards the YT or Gmail team. BTR doesn't seam as appealing to me, because I'm slightly more comfortable on the FE.

3. Any other considerations I should take into account?

YOE: 7
TC: 190

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TOP 28 Comments
  • Google 737max
    Transferring from eng prod is harder compared to other teams. I would recommend going without support if you don’t have an urgency to switch jobs.
    Oct 25 2
    • Mark43 Dath23
      OP
      The major concern here is if I don't get through the HC. I'm actively interviewing elsewhere so getting an offer would also help me negotiate.
      Oct 25
    • Google 737max
      If so then I would pick Youtube engprod .
      Oct 25
  • F5 Networks wait,what?
    Don’t ever, EVER work on internal products. Promotions and reviews are very specifically biased towards results and metrics that come from public customers. Everybody at Google knows that internal tools and products are a career killer. Stay away.
    Oct 25 5
    • Mark43 Dath23
      OP
      Right now, those are my options. Would you recommend me either going with:

      1. Hold off on TM until the new year and then chat with more teams and then go to the HC?

      2. Go to HC without a statement of support?

      I've read elsewhere on Blind that transferring positions after 1 year is reasonable and has happened successfully quite often as long as you get SEE.
      Oct 25
    • F5 Networks wait,what?
      Don’t expect to get SEE your first two reviews. The bureaucracy simply won’t allow it. It’s incredibly easy to switch teams, but your performance and promotion basically gets stunted. It’s not as easy as the recruiter will say it is.

      As far as being rated a 4/5, the recruiters said that to me and one of my teammates as well. It’s to avoid conflict and negotiations. There’s an actual internal document that states a plan to higher fewer l5 as a cost cutting measure.

      You’ll get a statement of support from any manager that approves a match. It’s not a big deal. Go to youtube if it sounds interesting. But stay away from the internal build team.

      I believe you also have 12 months for team match. They won’t say that, but maybe someone else can confirm.
      Oct 25
    • Mark43 Dath23
      OP
      When you say "internal products", are you specifically referring to the BTR team? Because I think all the teams I chatted with "Eng Prod" are internal products.

      > I believe you also have 12 months for team match.

      Are you saying that I could get a statement of support, pass the HC, get an offer, and then choose to go back into TM?
      Oct 25
    • Google YWzz63
      I don’t agree with this. There’s EngProd orgs with EngProd VPs that you can be promoted just as fast as anywhere. Internal tooling moves faster and is all Eng driven versus PM driven on product side. More freedom and flexibility. Can make big impacts, but will need to work to show how it brought value.

      Would add EngProd is same pay ladder so L5 is 400k. Going from L5 to L6 is hard for anyone. EngProd also has less likelihood of pager duty and schedule crunch.
      Oct 25
    • Expedia Group / Product produxtBrah
      EngProd =/= Enterprise IT/BizApps
      Oct 26
  • Google 737max
    No harm in trying
    Oct 25 0
  • Google 737max
    eng prod is like test tools productivity tools etc. Not quite exciting if you are currently a swe. Among these teams Youtube is the best. Stay away from caribou aka gmail
    Oct 25 7
    • Google 737max
      Find one commenter from Gmail who worked in atleast one other team apart from Gmail who would disagree with my opinion.
      Oct 25
    • Google VTAA78
      I’ve worked in Gmail, Ads and Youtube. Gmail is definitely no worse than YouTube and much better than Ads. The current Gmail director is great. If I were you it would depend on where you live. If you’re in the Sth Bay, choose Gmail. If you’re in SF choose YT.
      Oct 26
    • Mark43 Dath23
      OP
      > If I were you it would depend on where you live.

      I currently live in NYC. I'd probably prefer a NYC team, but currently no NYC HM have been interested in my profile. I suspect it's due to the headcount all filled at this point in the year.

      I'm interested in hearing more of your experience, hope you don't mind a DM.
      Oct 26
    • Google 737max
      @VTAa78 Gmail moves as fast as Youtube ? That’s like comparing a banana slug to an electric car. Things were painfully slow at Gmail until a couple of years ago. Not sure about this new director.
      Oct 26
    • Google VTAA78
      I’ve lead product teams in both orgs and my experience is that Youtube is also slow. We used to joke that we wouldn’t fail from a lack of oversight. Weekly VP review and intense scrutiny, we didn’t ship much and become great at executive presentations. Zero risk taking in Youtube.
      Oct 26
  • Pure Storage CiLh06
    OP, have you cleared HC?
    Nov 18 5
    • Mark43 Dath23
      OP
      Yup, most likely going to sign w G
      Nov 18
    • Wayfair TomBradyyy
      Can you post the offer details?
      Nov 18
    • Mark43 Dath23
      OP
      DM me
      Nov 18
    • Pure Storage CiLh06
      Did you get L5?
      Nov 18
    • Mark43 Dath23
      OP
      Nope, not surprised
      Nov 18
  • Google 737max
    Are you a swe now ?
    Oct 25 1
    • Mark43 Dath23
      OP
      I'm an eng manager and team lead at my current gig.
      Oct 25
  • Facebook opissaying
    How's Geo EngProd?
    Oct 26 0
  • Google 737max
    Ask your recruiter if support is necessary then you want to match with another team which is not engprod
    Oct 25 0

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