I had an onsite at Google a couple of weeks ago. The recruiter said the feedback was that I was borderline L5/strong L4. He also added that nothing was guaranteed and the next step is HC.
Prior to going to HC, the recruiter said it'd be good for me to get a statement of support from a HM (he can only submit one per package) and that would be the team match for me.
So, I chatted with the hiring managers of the following teams.
1. Youtube Main App Eng Prod (San Bruno)
2. Build, Test, and Release Infrastructure Eng Prod (Sunnyvale)
3. Gmail FE Eng Prod (Sunnyvale)
Questions I have:
1. How does Eng Prod teams compare to traditional product teams? I don't have a problem building infrastructure as I have done plenty of product engineering in my life, but I would prefer not to be in an automation testing position which I have read on some other posts.
2. What are some of the pros/cons of each team? Which team would you choose? I'm mainly looking for a place where there is ample amount of opportunity with relatively little bureaucracy. I am leaning towards the YT or Gmail team. BTR doesn't seam as appealing to me, because I'm slightly more comfortable on the FE.
3. Any other considerations I should take into account?
- Google 737maxTransferring from eng prod is harder compared to other teams. I would recommend going without support if you don’t have an urgency to switch jobs.
- Don’t ever, EVER work on internal products. Promotions and reviews are very specifically biased towards results and metrics that come from public customers. Everybody at Google knows that internal tools and products are a career killer. Stay away.
- Right now, those are my options. Would you recommend me either going with:
1. Hold off on TM until the new year and then chat with more teams and then go to the HC?
2. Go to HC without a statement of support?
I've read elsewhere on Blind that transferring positions after 1 year is reasonable and has happened successfully quite often as long as you get SEE.
- Don’t expect to get SEE your first two reviews. The bureaucracy simply won’t allow it. It’s incredibly easy to switch teams, but your performance and promotion basically gets stunted. It’s not as easy as the recruiter will say it is.
As far as being rated a 4/5, the recruiters said that to me and one of my teammates as well. It’s to avoid conflict and negotiations. There’s an actual internal document that states a plan to higher fewer l5 as a cost cutting measure.
You’ll get a statement of support from any manager that approves a match. It’s not a big deal. Go to youtube if it sounds interesting. But stay away from the internal build team.
I believe you also have 12 months for team match. They won’t say that, but maybe someone else can confirm.
- When you say "internal products", are you specifically referring to the BTR team? Because I think all the teams I chatted with "Eng Prod" are internal products.
> I believe you also have 12 months for team match.
Are you saying that I could get a statement of support, pass the HC, get an offer, and then choose to go back into TM?
- Google YWzz63I don’t agree with this. There’s EngProd orgs with EngProd VPs that you can be promoted just as fast as anywhere. Internal tooling moves faster and is all Eng driven versus PM driven on product side. More freedom and flexibility. Can make big impacts, but will need to work to show how it brought value.
Would add EngProd is same pay ladder so L5 is 400k. Going from L5 to L6 is hard for anyone. EngProd also has less likelihood of pager duty and schedule crunch.Oct 25 1
- eng prod is like test tools productivity tools etc. Not quite exciting if you are currently a swe. Among these teams Youtube is the best. Stay away from caribou aka gmail
- > If I were you it would depend on where you live.
I currently live in NYC. I'd probably prefer a NYC team, but currently no NYC HM have been interested in my profile. I suspect it's due to the headcount all filled at this point in the year.
I'm interested in hearing more of your experience, hope you don't mind a DM.
- I’ve lead product teams in both orgs and my experience is that Youtube is also slow. We used to joke that we wouldn’t fail from a lack of oversight. Weekly VP review and intense scrutiny, we didn’t ship much and become great at executive presentations. Zero risk taking in Youtube.