Hi Blind I have cleared HC for L4 at Google. All through the process I made my recruiter aware of my competing offers. I got offers in the range of 250 - 300 TC but all are verbal offers and no actual offer letter yet as I did not accept. Now google recruiter is asking me for proof of other competing offers to present it to the compensation committee. I told the recruiter that I only have verbal offers and no offer letter. The recruiter is asking me to get some kind of proof in whichever way I can. Is there a way to get any confirmation on the numbers without accepting the offer? Honestly I think this is not right on my recruiter's part asking for proof. It feels like Google is asking me to screw over other companies to get their numbers for them to match. I can always go back and say that its NDA and I couldn't get confirmation without accepting but my main concern is Google not matching my competing offers because I couldn't provide proof. What are my options here? Any help is appreciated. Edit: Recruiter only knows the name of the companies of my competing offers. He doesn't know the numbers. TC: 145K
Ask the recruiter to make you an offer first. It’s a dance and negotiation will happen after the first set of numbers are on the table. Tell the recruiter that you really want to join G so the other offers are not relevant to the conversation at the moment. So, let’s just hear the offer first. Yes, they can ask for proof of your counters because they think they have the upper hand. If you are willing to walk away, then you can stick to the truth of your situation and hold your ground. I know a couple of friends who got their offers (not from G but other big tech companies) matched without having to provide proof of counter offers. The hiring managers wanted to hire my friends enough to take them at their word. So, yes, maybe it’s a general requirement for G.
I would even say before asking them to make an offer, make YOUR offer before the recruiter gives you any numbers. They want to anchor you at their initial salary and work up from there. Beat them to it by anchoring them higher than you want, and make them neogiate down. They will always try to pay you less than they think you are worth.
In this case, the OP has already anchored themselves because the OP has already notified the recruiter of the verbal offer range from other companies - thereby anchoring OP’s market value range and the top bracket OP is able to get so far. The recruiter’s request for proof could be motivated by self-interest in wanting to close the deal as quickly as possible. OP would be better off waiting for the recruiter to be the first to give the numbers and then negotiate from there by considering other factors, e.g., competing offers, type of work, COL, commute, and etc.
Send this email to your recruiters, it is what I did: “ Hi, So as per our phone conversation my offer is $x base, $y stocks. Are the stocks vested over 4 years or 5 years? Moreover, I need you to send me an explanation of benefits at your company” Make sure to send this as a reply to your long conversation with the recruiter. Let them respond to you and send a screenshot of the recruiter’s response to Google recruiter. It worked for me when one company refused to give anything in writing before I accept the offer.
Yup, I sent nearly the exact same email and sent a screenshot of the thread to my Google recruiter. Google accepted this as evidence and matched, even though the recruited never wrote down the offer details per se.
Did your recruiter reply to the email acknowledging the numbers or is it just proof enough that you sent an email with the numbers?
It's dirty, it's greasy and no one should have to do it. But they ask sometimes and if you want that paper, you gotta play that game unfortunately.
Listen to me, I did this earlier this week with google. The recruiter asked me for proof but I said I can’t share a written offer letter/ numbers with you. All I have is verbal and she still got back to me with the revised numbers. Don’t think too much, be bold.
This. Hold strong OP.
Did google match your other offer with their revised offer?
There is some decent advice here. This is what I would do: Tell them you asked the other companies for written offers because google has requested, and say they (the other companies) asked you not to divulge offer details to google, and may refund they’re offer if you do. Whatever happens, don’t feel obligated to share anything. They made you an offer. They want you. The recruiter is trying play you. Don’t let them.
Lol you dont have to lie, if you dont want to share just say that. If its Faang they'll know you are lying because faang companies dont ask that, and recruiters usually have worked at all those companies lol or known all their practices, they are not stupid. Wrt to google hiring process, the recruiter is on your side and try to get you the best package, the one who makes decision is the comp commitee but you cant communicate with em directly
No the recruiter did not ask breakdown, nor did I give him any numbers of my competing offers. I only told him the company names.
Just get it over with and send the recruiter your pee sample for the Google drug test.
Google have a drug test?
Yes, they prefer if you don't smoke crack so...
Always ask for offer in writing as a general rule. Even unrelated to this situation, recruiters can lie or "misspeak"
Telling the recruiter that your other offer is verbal and I’ll be issued a return offer once I verbally accept.
You can ask Google to give you a written proof and let them know you need to see their offer before you can provide something more. That should at least maje then think about their own actions if nothing. Then go back to the other companies n confirm your offers in email. If they ask for competing offers, you have Google's offer to show
Is that a normal question? I've NEVER been asked for a competing offer from any company I've interviewed with.
The other companies might not give something in writing, but an easier way is to summarize your discussion with the recruiter in an email and have them confirm this via email