Google asking proof of competing offer

May 16 247 Comments

Hi Blind

I have cleared HC for L4 at Google. All through the process I made my recruiter aware of my competing offers. I got offers in the range of 250 - 300 TC but all are verbal offers and no actual offer letter yet as I did not accept. Now google recruiter is asking me for proof of other competing offers to present it to the compensation committee. I told the recruiter that I only have verbal offers and no offer letter. The recruiter is asking me to get some kind of proof in whichever way I can.

Is there a way to get any confirmation on the numbers without accepting the offer? Honestly I think this is not right on my recruiter's part asking for proof. It feels like Google is asking me to screw over other companies to get their numbers for them to match.

I can always go back and say that its NDA and I couldn't get confirmation without accepting but my main concern is Google not matching my competing offers because I couldn't provide proof.

What are my options here?

Any help is appreciated.

Edit: Recruiter only knows the name of the companies of my competing offers. He doesn't know the numbers.

TC: 145K

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  • Nvidia nv?
    You can ask Google to give you a written proof and let them know you need to see their offer before you can provide something more. That should at least maje then think about their own actions if nothing.

    Then go back to the other companies n confirm your offers in email. If they ask for competing offers, you have Google's offer to show
    May 16 20
    • Yeah I’d just say no to google. Every offer from them was not fun
      May 18
    • Just tell google to give you the best offer they can and you’re not negotiating because you hate negotiating so everyone gets one shot
      May 18
    • NetApp cdRH03
      Yeah, that doesn't solve getting best offer at target company. You have to determine the min (even if less than offer from other companies) you would accept to work at Google, if that is where you want to be. Give them that number and if they make it happen, great! If not, they really dont want you that badly!
      May 18
    • Braintree BTGuy
      Try in my company. They will match and might not ask the proofs 😜
      May 18
    • Etsy / Data VlVT53
      This is ridiculous. Offers are a two-way street. I’ve never been given a verbal offer without, at minimum, email confirmation of the details before making a decision.

      Google is trying to squeeze you- already not a great sign.
      May 22
  • Google / HR
    rLnX48

    Google HR

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    Tesla Motors
    rLnX48more
    Recruiter here, we ask for the numbers because comp won't give us more money for our candidates. The proof is probably because the numbers are pushing the candidate outside the comp ranges so the comp team is asking for proof to push the candidate outside the bounds. Recruiters have no incentive to give a lower offer, we would give you more if we could.
    May 18 9
    • LinkedIn
      nx of pc q

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      nx of pc qmore
      Haha this is funny. The reason is the candidate is bumping against range is because he probably got put in a l4 instead of l5 for some silly reason like not meeting Googleness!
      May 18
    • Google / Eng
      CodeRust

      Google Eng

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      Samsung Electronics
      CodeRustmore
      Recruitment process is a cluster of checks and balances at Google. Recruiters don't have any say in compensation. They'd like to pay you more, because, with better pay you're more likely to join.
      Comp team, on the other hand, thinks about money.

      Google also tend to low-ball and down level. Google low-balls because they can. (A lot of people just want to leave Amazon for better wlb). They down level because, your skill don't match up with Google's definition.
      May 18
    • Square / Eng SQ
      Man Amazon is doing some crazy level of projecting.

      You do realize that recruiters have to hit quotas right? They are literally incentivized with a job to bring in people. Guess what brings in more people? Better offers.

      You honestly think recruiters love sourcing a candidate, weeding through 100 people to get an offer, just to have it rejected because they can't offer enough comp? Then they have to do it again because they are told they need to bring in X hires this quarter?

      Man you're fucking dumb. They will even fight to uplevel you which, since you don't seem to understand, gives you more comp.
      May 18
    • Oracle wrkrnode
      Square / SQ / 2*2, too agro bro. Hit the gym, do some reps and chill.
      May 19
    • Google giannis
      RLnX48 nailed it, this was my experience too. It’s actually pretty cool that google set it up so the recruiter can be on the candidate’s side.
      May 19
  • Google Mmkaay
    Send this email to your recruiters, it is what I did:


    Hi,

    So as per our phone conversation my offer is $x base, $y stocks.

    Are the stocks vested over 4 years or 5 years?

    Moreover, I need you to send me an explanation of benefits at your company”

    Make sure to send this as a reply to your long conversation with the recruiter. Let them respond to you and send a screenshot of the recruiter’s response to Google recruiter.

    It worked for me when one company refused to give anything in writing before I accept the offer.
    May 17 5
    • Amazon Northman
      Yup, I sent nearly the exact same email and sent a screenshot of the thread to my Google recruiter. Google accepted this as evidence and matched, even though the recruited never wrote down the offer details per se.
      May 17
    • OP
      Did your recruiter reply to the email acknowledging the numbers or is it just proof enough that you sent an email with the numbers?
      May 17
    • Google Mmkaay
      If they don’t say anything about the numbers then it means that they are accurate. They would have corrected you if the numbers were incorrect 😉

      The email is written in a way to make it look like it is about asking questions about vesting and benefits.
      May 17
    • Salesforce CapHaddock
      Would the recruiter’s email/ name be in the screenshot?
      May 19
    • Google Mmkaay
      Yes, why not
      May 19
  • Apple imaj
    Every recruiting jackass thinks (s)he’s smartest and best and they could lowball a candidate. Don’t send that recruiter anything.

    Send them this “Dear Recruiter, I wouldn’t be able to share you a copy of offer letter from company A because it’s unethical, a breach of trust and it’s not relevant to our conversation. I would like the decision factor of pay should be based on my strengths and abilities, the impact I can make in the role and what I bring to the table. Now that you are aware of my expectations on the pay and market compensation, please do let me know what are your feasible numbers and I can let you know whether I’d be able to afford it. Once again thank you for your continued support and looking forward to working with you.”

    Above response should shut-up most of them and help move along in the process if they really like to hire you. Well, if they don’t like you that much you don’t want to play second fiddle anyway do you?
    May 18 1
    • Amazon bnhujb
      Wow, just wow. Wish I knew this my past 2 switches. But then again Amazon frugal.
      May 19
  • Intuit Merc77
    Fuck google, it’s a candidate market, not everyone wants to work at google.
    May 18 8
    • Activision Blizzard 86753on
      Rackspace yes totally. But when someone reacts the way Intuit did, it usually means there is something personal.
      May 18
    • Google usurper
      I agree with Intuit. Google is a shit company that will treat you like just another wage slave. They keep cramming more and more desks into smaller spaces, holding that ever-out-of-reach carrot of promo in front of you, and the leadership has their heads so far up their asses that is a surprise anything gets done at all. There are much better companies out there.
      May 18
    • Oracle / IT
      l00tb0x

      Oracle IT

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      l00tb0xmore
      Not necessarily. I don't want to, and I even turned down the recruiters. As I simply don't want to work for them. Maybe _you_ have some hidden issues, projecting it to anyone...
      May 18
    • Activision Blizzard 86753on
      That doesn’t even make sense.
      The person with the visceral reaction claims the other person is the one with issue? Lol, sure man
      May 19
    • Oracle / IT
      l00tb0x

      Oracle IT

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      l00tb0xmore
      Nice try. Why so upset?
      May 19
  • Google richmand
    If you have an offer, show it. What's the big deal?
    Don't listen to the wannabes who are not at Google
    May 18 2
    • Spotify hsiaiu8181
      Ugh shut up
      May 18
    • Seagate toti420
      @OP: Beggars can’t be choosers! If you so badly want to join Google, take the offer. If you feel you’re worth more, don’t tell the recruiter jack shit. Let them come up with an offer first. Then you either accept, reject, or counter with a higher number. Grow a pair and show confidence in yourself.
      May 18
  • CenturyLink ml7hsg6
    Listen to me, I did this earlier this week with google. The recruiter asked me for proof but I said I can’t share a written offer letter/ numbers with you. All I have is verbal and she still got back to me with the revised numbers. Don’t think too much, be bold.
    May 17 7
    • CenturyLink ml7hsg6
      Didn’t match but significantly improved the offer.
      May 17
    • Microsoft office o
      Who is paying better than Google? :)
      May 18
    • CenturyLink ml7hsg6
      Facebook lol
      May 18
    • CenturyLink ml7hsg6
      If you need numbers, they improved their offer by 50K/ year
      May 18
    • Microsoft office o
      Ohh yeah FB.
      May 18
  • Microsoft seagull
    Ask the recruiter to make you an offer first. It’s a dance and negotiation will happen after the first set of numbers are on the table. Tell the recruiter that you really want to join G so the other offers are not relevant to the conversation at the moment. So, let’s just hear the offer first.

    Yes, they can ask for proof of your counters because they think they have the upper hand. If you are willing to walk away, then you can stick to the truth of your situation and hold your ground.

    I know a couple of friends who got their offers (not from G but other big tech companies) matched without having to provide proof of counter offers. The hiring managers wanted to hire my friends enough to take them at their word. So, yes, maybe it’s a general requirement for G.
    May 16 8
    • Microsoft Mindfuck
      I always say I want to join. You want the recruiter to know they aren't wasting their time. But it's important to clarify that if you don't believe the money is worth it you won't stay. The ability to leave is your biggest leverage, before and AFTER joining a company. They don't want to spend any more time and resources finding YET ANOTHER replacement.
      May 17
    • OP
      To make it clear to the folks, I didn't reveal information about the competing offer numbers. I only mentioned the company names. To be honest my other offer is really good, and I did not negotiate with them yet. I just want Google to match the best offer I have and I am good with that. Even I want to close the deal quickly.
      May 17
    • Facebook RazPutin
      @CodeFarmer: you could try to flip this. Ask the G recruiter to present their offer to you as one or more of the competing companies are requesting to see Gs offer.
      May 18
    • Clover Health sinkinship
      But it sounds like OP doesn't want to flip this.
      May 18
    • Facebook RazPutin
      Perhaps wrong terminology on my part. What I mean is, by placing G in the position of being asked to provide information of their formal offer, they have two options:

      1. Provide the offer in writing
      2. Decline to provide the offer in writing

      With #1 OP has something formal that can then be used if need be.

      With #2, OP can then counter Gs request of formal offers from the other companies on the basis that G declined said request.

      I think that makes more sense...
      May 18
  • Google / Eng
    sqrt(-1)

    Google Eng

    BIO
    Top Contributor or GTFO
    sqrt(-1)more
    A verbal offer is not an offer.
    May 18 2
    • Flagged by the community.

    • Google / R&D clay
      Google's offer was verbal. They didn't send me anything written until I accepted the verbal offer.
      May 19
  • New WQfd76
    Go ahead with the competing offer bullshit. As an exec at large company where tons of people for jobs, I can tell you that unless you have at least 10 patents under your belt, you aren’t going to be worth the hassle. You are a dime a dozen dude. If you are really that good, you just set expectations and negotiate. The fact that you have competing offers and you are trying to use that for more money tells me that you either don’t have a job right now or you are about to be out of one.
    May 18 4
    • Qualcomm NqAf57
      Your jobs are a dime a dozen too. Just make your very best compensation offer and let the interviewee decide if the number is high enough.
      May 18
    • Google / Eng Wulperting
      You sound like a joke WQff76
      May 18
    • Microsoft 🐁Pinky😜
      "Exec at large company." Sounds legit 🤣
      May 19
    • JOANY / Mgmt e^(iπ)+1=0
      Yeah, cause execs aren't a dime a dozen either 😂😂😂
      May 19
  • Google ValueThe1
    Something very similar happened to me. I was very firm and told them I am not going to ask for a written offer from other companies and that If they don't want to discuss compensation further then that's fine. The recruiter called me twice and said the same thing that HC is demanding it. I stayed firm. She came back with a much better offer eventually.

    I can share with you what I specifically said personally on DM if you are still in the process of negotiating.
    May 18 1
    • Amazon xzwk51
      Thank you for your guidance and standing your ground as a candidate when you were negotiating — it’s not easy as ppl incorrectly fear an offer getting rescinded after having putting in the hard work of going through the interview process.

      Having hired several dozens of ppl as a manager across various companies, I can attest how hard it is to recruit quality talent. Once you have an offer, you’re quality talent in the eyes of the beholder.
      May 18
  • Google donkeykon
    Why would a recruiter just take your word for it? I have a competing offer for $900k... They're just supposed to make decisions based on word of mouth? That's ridiculous
    May 18 2
    • Google uzaname
      They should just make an offer that they are comfortable with. Either the candidate accepts or not. Competing offer is irrelevant.
      May 18
    • Nvidia wagecuck
      Exactly. It’s about what your value to the company is. Competing offer should be irrelevant.
      May 20
  • Genentech elffy
    I work in HR. We often do not make paper offers initially. You email the recruiters from the other companies to state what you heard verbally and ask for confirmation of your understanding. It's the easiest way to get "writing"
    May 18 0
  • VMware vmk007
    Seriously dude, if they don't give a better offer walk away. Google can get another engineer. But if you join on a low ball, you'll end up frustrated for years. You may even quit Google after a year or two. In such cases it's better to walk and take the competing offer of its a lot better (subjective).
    May 18 0
  • Google / HR
    MacKnows

    Google HR

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    MacKnowsmore
    Be assured your recruiter wants to get you a strong offer from Google. The competing offers will only help this.

    At times the compensation team will request a competing offer to validate what your saying. Truly, anyone can say they have a high offer from another company.

    What will suffice is a simple email from the other companies recruiter.
    May 18 7
    • Google / HR
      MacKnows

      Google HR

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      MacKnowsmore
      V3nm30 - it’s the competing offer with such higher numbers.
      May 19
    • Google / HR
      MacKnows

      Google HR

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      MacKnowsmore
      Imaj - Personally, I always have the candidates best interest. Recruiters job is to make sure the candidates joins the organization.

      The compensation is the one which asks for the competing offer, not the Recruiter.

      The recruiter is not incentivized to keep the offer low. The competing offer letter is only used as leveraged to gain more for the candidate.

      You are passing blame and anger on someone who does not have control of the process. Lolol. Trying to get someone fired for not violating an ethical code seems weird. Best yet, immoral.
      May 19
    • Amazon / Mgmt gorrila
      Imaj @ Apple, it doesn't sound like you are actually a hiring manager
      May 19
    • Apple / Eng Happy Hοur
      imaj what are you on about? The recruiter in this instance is working with the candidate to get them a stronger offer, trust but verify. What is unethical about that?
      May 20
    • Apple imaj
      For the eleventh time, the morons who advocate “that a candidate should share a competing offer to a recruiter” you👏aren’t👏entitled👏for👏it. If the roles were reversed, and you found out that a candidate used your offer to get a competing offer wouldn’t you as a recruiter retract the offer?
      As a hiring manager, I care about hiring competent candidates and I would rather not lose them based on numbers game in the competitive market. All hires by default fit to a level and their corresponding TC range. As long the comp they are asking is within my approved range, I will happy to give a thumbs up to hire the candidate.
      May 20
  • Instacart d5j7b8
    If this is in California, then I think it's illegal for the recruiter to ask for this
    May 18 4
    • Google Mmkaay
      Nope. Illegal to ask for current compensation only
      May 18
    • VMware vmk007
      I think it's illegal to all your current tc. Not competing offers.
      May 18
    • Instacart d5j7b8
      Oh yeah you guys are right
      May 18
    • Splunk KE94107
      As if the law mattered about current-comp. Just went through the drill with another FANG and the company’s hiring rep wouldn’t negotiate without specific terms of current comp. She was careful about phrasing her questions but intent was clear.
      May 19
  • Nvidia buck25
    It's dirty, it's greasy and no one should have to do it.

    But they ask sometimes and if you want that paper, you gotta play that game unfortunately.
    May 17 0
  • Twitter / Eng erbory00
    Tell them just that you have only verbal and start from there. If they come back without improving your offer just reject the offer and say thank you. 100% sure they will trust you this time and in the worst case will come back to you in 1 or 2 days.
    Just got hired at Google tc: 420k (444$ with max bonus) + 50k signin
    May 18 1
    • OP
      Are you L5? Where are your competing offers from? Did Google match them?
      May 18
  • IBM tAhj86h
    neverrr offer first. key to negotiating is let them throw a number first. “I don’t have a number in mind, what would you pay for a job in this area?”
    May 18 3
    • Snapchat
      Lampost

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      Lampostmore
      Disagree. Recruiters use your competing offers/current comp to get you a better offer. You have nothing to gain by holding these numbers back and everything to lose. Every company has levels. Your YoE and interview performance buckets you into a comp bracket. If you don’t give numbers first, you’ll receive the lower offer every single time.
      May 19
    • Lyft heyrouze
      Disagreed with Snapchat. I was getting paid very low on my last job. If I had given that number I wouldn’t have gotten my TC 3x now.
      May 19
    • Snapchat
      Lampost

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      Lampostmore
      Sounds like you either a) worked at a low-tier company before going to Lyft and/or b) were being underpaid (likely still on your new grad comp) before moving.
      May 19
  • Nvidia twobitin
    Just get it over with and send the recruiter your pee sample for the Google drug test.
    May 17 5
    • OP
      Google have a drug test?
      May 17
    • Nvidia twobitin
      Yes, they prefer if you don't smoke crack so...
      May 17
    • New / Eng blindor
      CodeFarmer if you can’t tell Nvidia was being sarcastic then no one can help you
      May 17
    • OP
      Actually few of my friends had to do drug test before joining some other companies. So was wondering if Google also has this.
      May 17
    • Google / Product
      mWGk82

      Google Product

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      mWGk82more
      I didn't have to take one
      May 18