Google cancels town hall due to alt-right sites.

Internet Brands / Product Ibbyliever
Aug 11, 2017 27 Comments

tl;dr Google canceled a town hall meant to discuss the Google Diversity Manifesto due to safety concerns. Some Googlers leaked questions submitted in advance by other Googlers, along with personal information, to alt-right websites.

http://mashable.com/2017/08/10/google-diversity-town-hall-canceled.amp

What are your thoughts? Even if I didn't agree with someone in my company, I'd be ethically opposed to leaking their personal information. Especially in a way or in a venue that might subject them to harassment or compromise their safety. Just seems wrong.

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  • LinkedIn p96jwyc
    Alt right... Lets just be clear, that was in reaction to the left blacklisting conservatives. Neither side is right in doing what they are doing, but in this instance both are to blame.
    Aug 11, 2017 1
    • Google / Eng t4ey765
      Also the original leaker of the doc was someone who disagreed with it, given that Gizmodo was one of the sites it got leaked to.
      Aug 12, 2017
  • Oath babaabaa
    Good Sundar fired him. Won't want to be stuck on a team or a meeting with that guy. His presence would be distracting and demeaning to women.
    Aug 11, 2017 1
    • New / Eng Elementary
      Only if you lack comprehension. And in any case, the vast majority of guys who read that memo, mostly agreed with it. So, whether or not you realize it, most guys are probably like him. lol
      Aug 12, 2017
  • Amazon / Eng
    mUqi08

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    mUqi08more
    if I was the CEO the last thing I want to do is to have a bunch of alt right protesting and then another bunch of SJW show up to counter them, get into a shouting match, riot police, tear gas, etc.

    See this is the exact shit show JD should have foreseen but created, great fucking job. It is now impossible to clean up and it is all on Google and now all Google's fault.

    Can you blame the corporate world for not wanting to hire PC incorrect dumbass now?
    Aug 11, 2017 0
  • New XuserX
    Leaking the questions and related personal information is really crossing a line for me. I'm really disappointed, but not surprised some people would do that.
    Aug 11, 2017 1
    • Google / Eng t4ey765
      Given the shitstorm, I can understand leaking the questions, though I disagree with it simply because Google has the right to draw the line of what is confidential and what isn't. Leaking / signal boost doxxing the names and personal info (especially sensitive things like pronouns), does most definitely cross any reasonable line though and shouldn't be tolerated.
      Aug 12, 2017
  • Microsoft chownus
    Posts about blacklisting anyone who disagrees with you doesn't cowtow to your demands would only survive in the tech echo chamber.

    The world needs to see these posts in the same way people expose super racist posts. Neither are okay, and until people see it and realize the intellectual rot that has made it's way into tech then it'll never change.
    Aug 11, 2017 1
    • Uber 2Tpj4u
      Aren't you forbidden using "blacklist"?
      Aug 11, 2017
  • New / Eng
    CrypticEx

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    Although there were definitely leaks to alt-right sites like Vox Day and Breitbart, there were still tons of leaks to left-leaning news too. The first leak that gained traction was to Motherboard, who painted it as if management was taking his side.
    Aug 11, 2017 0
  • New / Eng Elementary
    Sounds like they need to slightly anonymize the discussion and let questions be voted up.

    Does not seem super complicated.
    Aug 11, 2017 3
    • LinkedIn p96jwyc
      And this is why Blind, while sucky, is so important.
      Aug 11, 2017
    • Google / Eng t4ey765
      That's what they do. You can choose to be anonymous if you want, and there is a voting system. Look up pictures of Google Moderator, it's basically the same system (this is public information based off a press release from 2008).
      Aug 12, 2017
    • New / Eng Elementary
      So why are they having issues of people getting outed?
      Aug 12, 2017
  • Intel DRito99
    Wasnt the initial diversity memo leaked too?
    Aug 11, 2017 2
    • Internet Brands / Product Ibbyliever
      OP
      Yeah. I also have an ethical issue with that.
      Aug 11, 2017
    • Square nutellu
      not everyone does
      Aug 11, 2017
  • Nielsen hSKc82
    Sundar is weak - shouldn't have fired him. Exquisitely proved the point he was trying to make - which makes him a martyr against the utter bullshit that is Diversity training
    Aug 11, 2017 1
    • New / Eng Elementary
      He may be weak but Google has a certain kind of culture and intellectual honesty does not trump the emotional comfort of the mindless.

      Plus, much of Silicon Valley culture outside of Google, and the media, are bent towards mindless crazy.

      You usually don't want to be fighting the masses. They can't be reasoned with.
      Aug 12, 2017
  • Comcast / Product dj2dirk41
    Sounds like google has its own uber problems.
    Aug 11, 2017 1
    • Google ufP9VE
      woah there. Let's not get carried away.
      Aug 11, 2017
  • Facebook pg1934
    Welcome to reality google, looks like their little Silicon Valley bubble is being burst
    Aug 11, 2017 0
  • VMware yvJS68
    Revealing the names of people who submit questions online is, on the part of CEO, stupid or intended to chill dissent / reinforce the echo chamber.
    Aug 11, 2017 4
    • Google / Eng t4ey765
      There was the option to ask anonymously. This is entirely on the leakers.
      Aug 12, 2017
    • VMware yvJS68
      Was the default option anonymous ?
      Aug 12, 2017
    • Google / Eng t4ey765
      No, but plenty of people used that option.
      Aug 12, 2017
    • VMware yvJS68
      So iow this was an ingenious set up by google to deflect criticism and gain sympathy.
      Aug 12, 2017