Google-low ball offer

Intel ssl4
Apr 25, 2018 116 Comments

If you get low ball offer, is it worthy to join in? How difficult to get promoted and to catch up the compensation once you join in?

I may take it at least to put google into my resume...

+add a little bit more details: interview was target for L5 but I got downgraded to L4. Looks low ball based on other blind postings. Base pay cut to >10% but stock is better so comp w/o signing is similar. No other offer.

But my Q is more about general advice though

++sorry for confusing you from “my resume” comment. That’s assuming the worst case. Actually I am pretty motivated on the new team, we’ll see. ;)

I think I will take it anyway since money was not the reason to switch a job. But thru a long hiring process I might get some fantasy and high expectations on G/Tier1. Just disappointed today... wondering about G culture and career track (avg term for promo etc) though

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  • Amazon AMZSDE2
    Don’t do it, you’ll hate the job
    Apr 25, 2018 14
    • Google iegb37
      +1. I used to feel the same way. Now I'd rather come in at the higher level and meet expectations
      Apr 27, 2018
    • Salesforce / Eng Trumptard
      Agree - over level and meet expectation is much better than under level and beat expectation.

      (1) Promos are affected by a number of variables and don’t always correlate linearly w/ hard work - hence difficult to reliably predict (2) As someone pointed earlier, even if you do get a promo it just puts you in the low band of the next level. I’d rather negotiate hard on pay and level before joining
      Apr 27, 2018
    • Oracle cOrn48
      How will one know what's the range ?
      Apr 27, 2018
    • Salesforce / Eng Trumptard
      Be smart and either find an insider or poll Blind
      Apr 27, 2018
    • Qualtrics Q123
      Would you sell your house for much less of a price if you sell it to someone famous? The way you enter a company is a good indicator of what's next to come. If you undersell you risk getting into unsung hero mode right from the beginning, not to mention that there are so many things in the future depending on your initial package: salary increases, bonuses, promo raises etc.
      Apr 30, 2018
  • SAP / Eng gdegbmgg
    How are you gonna ask this and not post the numbers 🤔
    Apr 25, 2018 4
    • Intel ssl4
      OP
      Sorry it’s already odd combination (my current company +downgrade +Low comp), I don’t want to disclose any more. Also I don’t believe actual number matters to discuss the general idea...
      Apr 26, 2018
    • Google nobody.
      They do help. If you don't understand why, then that's pretty odd to me. If you didn't interview well why would you expect to get a good offer? If you don't tell us the offer there's no way for us to tell if it's actually a low-ball or not. Just because your current comp is higher doesn't mean this is necessarily a bad offer. It could mean you're currently overpaid relative to your individual market.
      Apr 26, 2018
    • Oracle sxkdr8s9e
      It matters because you could just have an inflated idea of yourself...
      Apr 27, 2018
    • Amazon / Eng asdzxc
      The fact that you asked this question goes to show that you have much to learn about how things work. You are not >L4, take the offer and better yourself
      Apr 29, 2018
  • Amazon iufu75
    The old advice is ‘If you get a seat on a rocket ship, don’t ask where is your seat is. Jump on!’ Except Google ain’t a rocket ship. 😏
    Apr 25, 2018 8
    • Amazon zRqI41
      Few software engineers understand that if you throw something at a blackhole, you’ll be able to get full energy out of the mass - basically mc^2.
      Apr 26, 2018
    • Google usurper
      Too bad your spacesuit has already been deprecated and the replacement won't be ready for another year. Just hold your breath, they'll tell you.
      Apr 26, 2018
    • Oracle cOrn48
      Amazon is not for the weak hearted... that's what my friends at Amazon tell me... it's very rough and tough company
      Apr 26, 2018
    • Amazon / Product
      GoAlexa

      Amazon Product

      PRE
      AMD, EY
      GoAlexamore
      I am PM here and I can vouch for that. I would recommend coming here for 2-3 years of military duty and then you will be the bet professional for life. Large amount of deliverables in small amount of time = Work @ Amazon.
      Apr 26, 2018
    • Microsoft golantrevi
      Interesting. Can you elaborate on how it has shaped you, GoAlexa?
      Apr 28, 2018
  • Facebook Blink-182
    Generally, if you’re lowballed, it’ll take forever to catch up. Years minimum. Your coworkers who got higher offers will also be getting raises while you get raises so you’ll be forever playin catch up
    Apr 25, 2018 20
    • Oracle cOrn48
      How does it matter if you tc is little less than ur peers ... what other things do you want to equate with others apart from tc ? There will be ppl who will always make more than you and some who will make less than you...
      Apr 26, 2018
    • Facebook Blink-182
      I’m telling from first hand accounts of people on my team and others that I know that this does not work out in reality. People have backed out the calculations (at fb). If you and a peer perform equally but you start out lowballed, that other person will always earn more than you.
      Apr 26, 2018
    • Oracle cOrn48
      How can everyone in a team be at same performance level , same salary level , same capabilities... there is something called distribution... let's be practical... u can always claim higher numbers ... but those numbers match your performance in the job or performance in the interview
      Apr 26, 2018
    • Google / Eng OAGb68
      Seems like fb's reward system is in a better shape. I joined at the same time with some friends. Most of us converged to the same org in the end. All of them has higher raise than me every year despite of fewer launches and worse ratings, because my base, unfortunately, is at the higher end since i joined. Now we make almost the same im terms of base.
      Apr 26, 2018
    • Facebook Blink-182
      I never said everyone was the same performance and salary level. Please read. And I’m commenting directly on the team that I manage so I know their raises and performance ratings. Anyways done with this comment thread!
      Apr 27, 2018
  • Amazon zRqI41
    Google is a lame company now. Why do you even want to join...
    Apr 26, 2018 3
    • Google farkle
      True, I would chose amazon 10/10 if I was good and lucky enough to get an offer
      Apr 26, 2018
    • Amazon zRqI41
      See, the only thing you are capable of is trolling now. That's what Google gives you.
      Apr 26, 2018
    • Google farkle
      Why is it a troll? Obviously everyone wants to join the best letter in FAANG, myself included.
      Apr 26, 2018
  • Revinate / Data JPQ
    You don't join Google, to get it on your resume.
    Apr 25, 2018 6
    • Amazon pure666
      Then what? If you join a shitty team with low-ball offer just for having it on resume it will not likely help.

      Any future recruiters/interviewers will ask the follow up question about what did you do at Google. Or better you’ll have to demonstrate your skill.

      I don’t believe just barely making it in Google and getting out in a year automatically gains you skills or any real value.

      For the purpose of initial call /opening the doors, any FAANG+MSFT will do it in 99% of cases.
      Apr 25, 2018
    • Google tentenths
      Haha so true of so many people.
      Apr 25, 2018
    • Google usurper
      Well you definitely don't join it because of the quality of the tech. Unless you're on few select teams. Don't believe me? Go read an Android API. Or Angular. (Which Angular? Exactly.)
      Apr 26, 2018
    • Uber Whuber
      Lol Android API
      Apr 26, 2018
    • Amazon blueshift
      You only join Google to put it on your resume.
      Apr 26, 2018
  • Google tentenths
    I know people who balked at an IC role or not getting to be called Director even if it meant working at some crappy company. After a few years I think they would have been happier had they tried to come to google instead. Ymmv.
    Apr 25, 2018 1
    • Google usurper
      I've been happier at literally every other job I've had. Google is all bureaucracy and politics. The perks and money barely make up for it.
      Apr 26, 2018
  • Facebook Minz
    Never join if you get the level downgraded. You will be just unhappy all the time
    Apr 26, 2018 0
  • Workday / Eng 1112
    If you are truly l5 quality and talent, u manager will know it and work with you on fast track to l5 if you perform. Long term wise it’s not bad at google
    Apr 25, 2018 4
    • Google usurper
      Lol no. It had nothing to do with talent. It's all politics. And now with the new promo changes, it's all about numbers and luck. My coworker just got denied promo, not because he wasn't worthy, but because of "quota".
      Apr 26, 2018
    • Microsoft
      L62

      Microsoft

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      L62more
      Will never make up the gap from a lowball offer.
      Apr 26, 2018
    • Intel sillycon
      Is Google's quota due to the gem we gave you (aka Brown the HR clown)
      Apr 26, 2018
    • Amazon Diamonds11
      This horrible and dangerously incorrect advice please don’t consider it
      Apr 27, 2018
  • Google CKutta
    I was lowballed and under leveled and it’s been 2 years. Still haven’t caught up.
    Apr 28, 2018 1
    • Facebook Maroon6
      I keep trying to tell this to people but they keep blathering the company koolaid about how the system is designed to let you catch up. If that were the case they wouldn’t need to lowball you in the first place. Thanks for speaking up
      Apr 28, 2018
  • LinkedIn / Eng
    Take5

    LinkedIn Eng

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    Take5more
    Google is the new MSFT. Don’t join for the brand as its not the same it was 5-10 years ago.
    Apr 26, 2018 0
  • AppDynamics / Eng
    EqIu26

    AppDynamics Eng

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    Juniper Networks
    EqIu26more
    It is worthy to join considering you are in Intel. For a SWE there is no future in Intel. Also if you can crack Google interview you should be able to crack other interviews as well. How come you do not have competing offers ? Didn't you interview anywhere else ?
    Apr 25, 2018 3
    • LinkedIn orly
      As if you pass Google interview you will automatically pass other interviews. So not true. I know because I know real examples.
      Apr 26, 2018
    • Microsoft tdif25
      Right. FB rejected a friend while Google offered.
      Apr 27, 2018
    • AppDynamics / Eng
      EqIu26

      AppDynamics Eng

      PRE
      Juniper Networks
      EqIu26more
      FB is harder than Google. I was thinking Microsoft, Amazon.
      Apr 28, 2018
  • Microsoft uVyb07
    In similar situations as you, but turned them down. They are conservative with level, conservative with base, even conservative with total compensation. Got offered barely same as current pay. They just try to convince you with google brand. But I don’t think that will get you less interview round or easier questions. And also always heard promotions are not that easy there.
    Apr 25, 2018 2
    • AppDynamics / Eng
      EqIu26

      AppDynamics Eng

      PRE
      Juniper Networks
      EqIu26more
      You could afford to turn them down since you are in Microsoft. OP is in Intel though.
      Apr 26, 2018
    • Apple JungLea
      Did they try to increase the final offer after you said this is not meeting your expectations? And did you try to bring competing offers?
      Jun 4, 2018
  • Oscar / Eng
    dumb|dumb

    Oscar Eng

    BIO
    Fuck you, but wats up bro.
    dumb|dumbmore
    How low? How many years of experience? What is your current level comparable to Google’s? What team (in general) are you joining? What is the level on the table? Finally, any competing offers?
    Apr 25, 2018 0
  • Workday / Eng 1112
    Let me summarize a big, we all smart people this decision may not be that hard. Basically there are 2 career route op can take,

    1: turn down the offer, stay at where u r, keep leet coding and interview prep, try after 6 months for l5, you may or may not pass, if not pass, u can try after another year.

    2: accept the offer, work at google at l4, work hard and try to promote, how many years depends on you self and many other factors.

    Which life you like?
    Apr 28, 2018 2
    • Google newgrounds
      I chose 2, people weren't joking about promo being difficult :/
      Apr 28, 2018
    • Google / Eng
      lena33

      Google Eng

      PRE
      Salesforce
      lena33more
      I also chose 2:) leetcoding is boring waste of time, I like to build real product and technically lead people, which is what I'm doing now:)
      Apr 28, 2018
  • Google / Eng
    lena33

    Google Eng

    PRE
    Salesforce
    lena33more
    You can't get higher level, however you can get close to l5 salary. Politely reject the offer stating that it is too low. They will come back in several months
    Apr 27, 2018 1
    • Apple / Ops swqi14
      I just did this. Will report back in a few months :)
      Apr 27, 2018
  • Facebook fALm87
    Do not join google if you think level is low. It is extremely hard to get promoted in google.
    Apr 27, 2018 0
  • LinkedIn chaaos
    Great arguments for both sides here (under leveled and over perform, vs over leveled and under perform).

    What if you get under leveled at L4 but you get an offer higher than L5 median.

    Which side would you take in this scenario?
    May 8, 2018 6
    • Facebook Ghudtjgbhg
      The answer may depend on level. At 4/5 I think his makes sense. At 7/8, I’m not sure I would take the trade off.
      May 8, 2018
    • LinkedIn chaaos
      Is that because promotions are exponentially harder at 7/8?
      May 8, 2018
    • Facebook Ghudtjgbhg
      Yep
      May 9, 2018
    • Facebook fALm87
      Don’t. I did at different level. And regretted it.
      May 10, 2018
    • Facebook Ghudtjgbhg
      Why did you regret it?
      May 10, 2018
  • Netflix goalseek
    What’s your BATNA? Beggars can’t be choosers
    Apr 26, 2018 0
  • Oracle ovKR85
    It all depends on which team in google. Is it GoogleX/Brain/Tensorflow teams, go for it. It will pay you very fast in your career. But it is typical self-aware development role. It will be hard to get groovy there!
    Apr 26, 2018 0

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