Google not hiring white and Asian?

Prosper / Eng jspaladin

Mar 15, 2018 148 Comments

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Google is getting sued for pressuring their recruiters to hire non-white and non-asian people. Is there any truth to this? Will Google lose this lawsuit? Settle? Thoughts?

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Amazon Bulshit

Who are they hiring then?

Mar 16, 2018 7 9
- Oracle / Eng otLQ15
  
  Hybrids, not pure bloods
  
  Mar 16, 2018 4
- Amazon odVN70
  
  Can't be male either. Only women who are willing to accept compensations lower than current male coworkers who have the same skill set and experience as they do
  
  Mar 17, 2018 6
- Cruise Automation / Eng ❔
  
  Only trans and non-binary mixed-race people maybe
  
  Mar 19, 2018 4
- PayPal iKyMnj
  
  Google partnering with Ancestry to automate hiring process. Has to 80% non-white and non-asian to pass preliminary test.
  
  Mar 19, 2018 5
- Sapient Razorfish BFSc86
  
  Direct violation of equal opportunity employment law. Hiring/promoting using race/gender as a factor.
  
  Apr 4, 2018 0
Amazon / Eng Hooliganssmore

In fairness, they’re getting sued from every angle.

Mar 15, 2018 62 2
- Uber PgRc76
  
  Maybe that’s a sign that this approach is not working so well?
  
  Mar 16, 2018 2
- Amazon odVN70
  
  This is actually really hilarious now that I think about it
  
  Mar 17, 2018 2
Amazon WeirdStuff

They don't need entry level software engineers. However, if they find a diverse candidate that's entry level they will make an exception and conduct an interview with them. They're still hiring white folks for other roles.

Mar 16, 2018 17 7
- Microsoft TOVk00
  
  How about native Americans and what they went through? Jews and the holocaust? South Americans and the conquistadors? Aboriginals? The list is long off groups that have been oppressed.
  
  Mar 17, 2018 3
- Facebook hohoyoyo
  
  What about Chinese? They were oppressed for quite long by the Chinese Exclusion Act. Asian Americans aren’t asking for any preferable treatment. What is needed is a fair system. We need equal opportunities, not equal handout. This whole diversity is BS. If you want it, work for it. If you want to climb social ladder and have better life than your parents, work harder. First generation of Asian immigrants worked so hard to have their next generation well educated to have a better future. Free hand outs won’t help in long run.
  
  Mar 17, 2018 26
- Google / Eng sergeymore
  
  Bullshit. Nothing you wrote here is true.
  
  Mar 17, 2018 1
- Microsoft TOVk00
  
  Hi Trump. Still calling stuff you don't like to hear fake news? It's getting old you know.
  
  Mar 17, 2018 0
- Sapient Razorfish BFSc86
  
  How about the Irish? Maybe Jewish people, perhaps Native American, oh, Protestants had it rough for awhile, let’s also look at underrepresented people from Madagascar, Russians were oppressed, how about poor people from the Midwest states...or they have an easier life than POC growing up in Beverly Hills?
  
  Apr 4, 2018 0
Facebook seb.gorkha

Hiring more women is a primary goal at G and F. Amazon and MSFT not so much. Don't know about Apple.

Mar 16, 2018 5 13
- Twitch / Other jokerZ
  
  @Cruise: I’ve never made a hire strictly based on diversity though. It was more of a note from HR to have at least considered a diverse range of backgrounds. It’s additional work, but who knows, these candidates might approach problems with a fresh perspective. Sometimes they could turn out better, and in those cases it’s not really a diversity hire. Just be yourself and always bring your A game to the interview.
  
  Mar 19, 2018 2
- Microsoft TrixR4Kidz
  
  Microsoft promoting minorities is a joke. Now hold on.... they have a high talent pool... but facebook and google take all the competent (not even good ones).... so they get promoted to level if incompetence and then moved to side teams. Lose/lose
  
  Mar 19, 2018 0
- Microsoft TrixR4Kidz
  
  @twitch so if you got two chances instead of one to roll a six it is fair? Lets be honest, hiring is a gambling most competent people given enough chances will pass at some point
  
  Mar 19, 2018 0
- Blippar nonono
  
  Cruise automation, were you one of the smartest people in programming class? If not, then now you know why you got the interview, and the other person didn't.
  
  Mar 28, 2018 1
- Sapient Razorfish BFSc86
  
  Sounds like they hiring based on immutable traits, which violates Equal Opportunity Employment law.
  
  Apr 4, 2018 1
Google Qqqqqqq

Google gets sued every day for all kinds of stuff. Seriously. It’s constant.

Mar 16, 2018 31 0
Google / Eng Yolo27

That’s bullshit. No matter what you do one group will always exaggerate and blame it on Google. Just stop ranting and may be admit you were rejected due your skills not being good enough.

I’m a very frequent interviewer at Google and I always scan the packets of rejected candidates and in my experience I’ve never seen a candidate rejected unfairly.

Mar 16, 2018 25 3
- Google floppybird
  
  Ditto. If anything it's a sourcing issue, not an interview/hiring problem.
  
  Mar 16, 2018 3
- Prosper / Eng jspaladin
  OP
  
  Oh I never even applied to Google. Just asking for opinions because I found it interesting
  
  Mar 16, 2018 0
- LinkedIn ggtots
  
  "Never"...? In all likelihood that should occasionally happen even if your recruiting system is great... And Google's system needs a lot of improvement.
  
  Mar 17, 2018 0
Oracle TN0001

Diversity at Google

In 2017, 91% of Google employees are White or Asian. While Asians are a minority group in the U.S. population, they along with Whites are overrepresented among employees at Google.

Mar 16, 2018 2 11
- Amazon mar15e
  
  Yeah, whites are underrepresented....in jails
  
  Mar 17, 2018 0
- Cisco WinterIsCo
  
  Identity politics is disgusting.
  
  Mar 18, 2018 3
- Facebook seb.gorkha
  
  That's all left does these days
  
  Mar 18, 2018 1
- Cisco WinterIsCo
  
  This sucks. I'm liberal. Who should I support that is not insane?!
  
  Mar 18, 2018 1
- Facebook seb.gorkha
  
  Reasonable people irrespective of party
  
  Mar 18, 2018 0
Facebook thatBitch

As a minority in tech, it's hurtful that I look around and 97% of my coworkers are Asian and White but I come on blind and people are complaining about diversity and making it seem like I don't deserve to be here when I did 400+ leetcode and aced my interviews like everyone else.

Mar 17, 2018 2 7
- Prosper / Eng jspaladin
  OP
  
  Maybe 97% of your co-workers also did 400+ leetcode and aced their interviews. No one questions your ability. We are questioning whether Google hires based on ability.
  
  Mar 17, 2018 6
- Microsoft wlb
  
  Maybe you can ask your country folks why they are not in FB and Google! No point blaming people for just being who they are.
  
  Mar 17, 2018 1
- Facebook thatBitch
  
  OP when did I say they didn't? I said just like everyone else which actually implies they did. And what I'm trying to say is that this sentiment will only be negative for women and minorities when you are assuming they got here through a lower bar. As far as I know, Facebook and similar companies do not lower their bar for anyone. They just try their best to reach out to minorities because the talent pool is severely lacking in them. And I don't see how that is wrong. Can you count how many minority tech employees there are on your floor? Are they more than 5? Why is it wrong reaching out to more?
  
  Mar 17, 2018 1
- Prosper / Eng jspaladin
  OP
  
  Ok people need to read on the lawsuit. There's an email from a Google manager telling people to purge applications from Asian and white applicants. I have no clue if Google lowers the bar or not. I agree that we need to reach out to underrepresented groups, but the question is, is Google doing illegal hiring practices? (Again I don't know, just asking questions)
  
  Mar 17, 2018 3
- Microsoft wlb
  
  “Affirmative action” is reverse discrimination, which means to put favor bias on weaker races, is legal. “Discrimination” which is to put favor bias on already stronger races is illegal. And yes, the whole damn thing is stupid.
  
  Mar 18, 2018 2
Microsoft / Eng (_/\_)

Different countries have oppressed different people. But all countries have oppressed a common species. That's women. Even women of oppressed communities were oppressed. Most women here fight for rights they deserve not something they want for nothing. Even if it means being a little unfair to men so what ? We've been unfair to them since forever. Why not balance the scales ? That's not just best for them. It's best for the society. We should grow as a community. Not everything is about having the best or being the best. It's about a community that's kind where everyone gets an opportunity.

Mar 16, 2018 2 6
- Amazon C Martel
  
  Your premise is unsupported and false: never were females oppressed, except when it was drilled into their heads that they are oppressed and men are their enemies.
  
  Mar 16, 2018 2
- Prosper / Eng jspaladin
  OP
  
  Maybe you're right, maybe women are oppressed. But with the candidate pool of 90% male, who can you blame? Just read stack overflow survey 2018, the demographics section.
  
  Mar 16, 2018 0
- Google kfchy
  
  Let me see: worldwide 94% of workplace fatalities are men. Almost everywhere only men are drafted but even where women are they're not forced to do frontline service. Most civilized countries banned female infant genital mutilation but not male. Women live on average years longer than men. Male suicide is 3-4X that of women, one of the reasons: men are treated unfairly at family court and 85% of the time their children are taken away and they are reduced to a wallet. Women get 60% less time for the exact same crime as men. Boys are failing in school. Boys are medicated more by dangerous psychotropic drugs for behavior problems. In the US women outnumber men in enrollment and graduation from colleges. Single, childless college educated women outearn single, childless college educated men. We spend much more on breast cancer research vs prostate cancer research despite claiming similar number of lives. Most truly homeless (living on the street, not in a shelter) are men. And the list just goes on and on and on. Men are systematically discriminated against. I don't have enough data on other cultures but western women are the most pirvileged of any group I'm aware of.
  
  Mar 17, 2018 10
- Amazon kharri
  
  Wow, kfchy, right on. Yeah, speaking as a woman I can’t disagree with you
  
  Mar 19, 2018 2
- Google eDJS71
  
  This is an insane point of view. Your argument is essentially for some form of deliberate discrimination based on a subjective assessment of who has been oppressed in the past? Furthermore, it is best for society if we don’t choose people that have the skillset for a job but rather, we should allow everyone to have an opportunity to fill whatever role they please?
  
  So glad I’m not flying in a plane in your ludicrous utopia.
  
  Mar 28, 2018 1
Amazon / Eng CorrectBatmore

Lol that’s fake news everyone I know that got hired is white and Asian

Mar 16, 2018 13 3
- Intel / Other goldieLockmore
  
  Let me rephrase that to everyone I know that got hired had some skills that Google needed
  
  Mar 16, 2018 3
- Amazon / Eng CorrectBatmore
  
  They were new grads. So no.
  
  Mar 16, 2018 0
- Cruise Automation / Eng ❔
  
  Same.
  
  Mar 19, 2018 0
Fitbit mahalo2

Wow they got sued and bullied because they didn't have enough diversity and called Google a white guy party. Now they are trying to address that and still they get sued. Damn if you do damn if you don't.

Mar 16, 2018 8 1
- Google / Eng Yottabytemore
  
  There is a difference between prioritizing underrepresented groups (legal affirmative action) and banning white guys (illegal discrimination). The suit is alledging that in at least one recruiting group the latter is what occured.
  
  Mar 16, 2018 7
Google / Ops Pasteur

I am asian

Mar 16, 2018 2 9
- Google / Ops Pasteur
  
  Oh Lord. Ha ha. I was just kidding guys
  
  Mar 16, 2018 1
- Amazon dumbgook
  
  Oh good, thought for a minute there you gave us other slant eyed chinks a bad name
  
  Mar 17, 2018 1
- Google / Ops Pasteur
  
  Oh Lord. Lol
  
  Mar 18, 2018 0
- Cruise Automation / Eng ❔
  
  Damn that's the most racism I've heard in a while
  
  Mar 19, 2018 0
- Google / Ops Pasteur
  
  Ha ha
  
  Mar 19, 2018 1
Zillow Group hYtJ18

They mostly hire white/Asian people. Because that's most of the hiring pool. You have stand out in some way, but it's weird to say "not hiring whites" when clearly they are and in great volume.

Mar 16, 2018 12 0
Google / Eng sergeymore

This is complete and utterly bullshit.
More than 90% of all SWE candidates I intervieweed in the last six months were male, most of them Asian, and I never saw anyone rejected by anything other than technical abilities.

I believe that too many people think too much of themselves and can't admit that they weren't good enough. They need to find a way to blame someone or something else for their failures.

Mar 17, 2018 11 1
- Pinterest UhmWho?
  
  Amen Sergey, speak louder for the people in the back.
  
  Mar 17, 2018 0
Cisco jarva

Jeez so sick of this kind of BS in California. Everything is about sexism and racism these days! 😔

Mar 16, 2018 10 1
- Microsoft / Eng (_/\_)
  
  Sad indeed
  
  Mar 16, 2018 1
Google Froogle

3 last hires were Asians in my team. So I would not believe fake news.

Mar 16, 2018 9 0
Apple / Eng Marijuanamore

I wouldn’t be surprised, lol.

Asians should really start speaking out against this sort of crap, by the way.

Mar 16, 2018 4 8
- Microsoft Yuk
  
  The reason is not many people from those country to begin with. China and Indian has huge population.
  
  Also if you look at the people who apply, there are not many from south East Asian countries. It is not like company trying not to hire them.
  
  Mar 17, 2018 0
- Prosper / Eng jspaladin
  OP
  
  "it's not like the company trying not to hire them" how can we say that for sure when there is a lawsuit open about hiring discrimination against Asians (and white). Again, not saying there IS discrimination against Asians, just saying the plaintiff has some good evidence in the form of company emails
  
  Mar 17, 2018 0
- Apple / Eng Marijuanamore
  
  It’s clearly illegal for companies to not give interviews to someone just based on their race.
  
  Mar 17, 2018 0
- Cruise Automation / Eng ❔
  
  I have a Filipina friend who's at Google and another Viet friend who's joining soon. My last job (crappy startup) had a Thai girl. Someone else I know is a Malaysian at LinkedIn. (All software engineers)
  So they're there. Just hard to find and in small numbers.
  
  Mar 19, 2018 1
- Amazon kharri
  
  “There're many ethic groups that are considered Asian. You can't conflate Indian and Chinese with all Asians” —— Whoa, ok, well then we can’t conflate all Europeans with being “white”!! I’m fucking sick of it, my family is mostly Italian (which also has historically suffered discrimination) but now I just have to be lumped in with the evil “whites” so we can be considered the “majority”... Fuck all y’all
  
  Mar 19, 2018 1
Hulu Hopkins

Us white males are losing everything!

(Jk. I’m not a #basic Blind asshole who’s overly excited about finally be able verbalize how big of an asshole I am while protecting the fragility of my ego within the safe bubble of internet anonymity.)

Mar 17, 2018 8 0
Intel Ywhrhdid36

According to this person, women are now their own Species!

“Different countries have oppressed different people. But all countries have oppressed a common species. That's women.”

Please, tell us more about this “species” I didn’t know existed in and of itself, that is being oppressed by every country in the world.

Mar 16, 2018 5 0
Cisco BlindShare

Hope it’s just a coincidence. I was an internal referral. The google recruiter contacted me the day after I submitted the application and set up a time to talk. The day before the appointment, he said he had to reschedule. Two days later I got a standard rejection email from him: after careful review, we decided not to move forward blah blah. Yeah, I am an Asian

Mar 16, 2018 5 0

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