Google offer evaluation

Apple / Eng bKzf48
Oct 5, 2018 39 Comments

I recently passed the HC at Google and now we are talking numbers.

This is the initial offer:
Base: 140k (15% target bonus)
RSU: 240k
Signing: 40k
Level: T3
Yoe: 3 yrs after masters

Q1. How is this offer for my years of experience?
Q2. Recruiter told me my feedbacks were really good and I got evaluated as high L3 but didn’t meet the bars for L4. How long would it take for me to get promoted?
Q3. I have a strong competing offer. How far can I push the TC for this level? I heard Google doesn’t negotiate level a lot. Any tips?

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TOP 39 Comments
  • Apple / Eng bKzf48
    OP
    I really want to push for TC of 260k.. do you think it’s possible?
    Oct 5, 2018 8
    • Apple / Eng cho Chang
      @pezon doesn’t it vest monthly?
      Oct 5, 2018
    • Apple / Eng bKzf48
      OP
      I think I heard monthly without cliff from the recruiter
      Oct 5, 2018
    • Comcast JygG83
      Yes, it's monthly with no cliff.
      Oct 5, 2018
    • New pezon
      It depends on the number of rsus. Mine is in the 60s so it's quarterly. If you get a lot more, it's monthly
      Oct 5, 2018
    • Apple / Eng bKzf48
      OP
      Makes sense. Thank you!
      Oct 5, 2018
  • Apple / Eng cho Chang
    Base can go up to at least 145k.
    RSUs can go up to at least 430k.
    Signing can go up to at least 100k.
    Oct 5, 2018 2
  • Epic CLeet
    Why is level important outside of comp? If OP will interviewing somewhere else after Google wouldn’t they just say you have 4 YOE and not what level?
    Oct 5, 2018 1
    • Microsoft / Product Kemw
      Higher refresher, eventually bigger % bonus, larger projects
      Oct 5, 2018
  • Google nPhu34
    With strong competing offers, you may want to push for T4 as the top priority if possible. Promo is getting shirtier and hard to get by. For folks with 3years of exp, t4 should be expected, they don't want to give u that just because of budget.
    Oct 5, 2018 5
    • Google nPhu34
      If your competing offer has similar numbers, but higher level, then don't take the g offer. Slotted into 3 is a big reset for u and hurts ur career a lot (basically ur last 3 years of exp is wasted.)
      Oct 5, 2018
    • Google nPhu34
      Correction, it's 5 yrs of exp since u had master. Then it's really not a good option for u to reset urself to restart ur career with people 5 years younger than u. Sorry about being so negative, but it's just google's tech ladder and promo being so broken. Again, DO NOT COME as T3.
      Oct 5, 2018
    • Apple / Eng bKzf48
      OP
      I’m starting to feel disappointed at this offer because of the level...
      Oct 5, 2018
    • Apple Komhfdy
      I thought Google doesn't negotiate levels even with strong competing offers, isn't that the case?
      Oct 6, 2018
    • Google nPhu34
      That's the best time you can negotiate. T3 and T4's interview metrics are very similar, AFAIK, it's really hard to distinguish T3 vs T4, especially high T3 vs T4.

      Just get prepare to walk away and negotiate really hard. Worst case scenario: they keep the TC and the same level. Never heard Google withdraw an offer during negotiation.
      Oct 13, 2018
  • Microsoft / Product Kemw
    Great for T3 but fact you’re T3 isn’t great. Try for T4, even with same numbers but T4 title.
    Oct 5, 2018 0
  • Microsoft coderpanda
    OP could you tell if you had team matched before getting the numbers? I recently cleared the HC for L4 and now the recruiter is asking me for expectations.
    Oct 5, 2018 4
    • Apple / Eng bKzf48
      OP
      I had team matched before HC
      Oct 5, 2018
    • Apple Komhfdy
      How long did it take for the HC after the on-site?
      Oct 5, 2018
    • Apple / Eng bKzf48
      OP
      ~1 week. But I had competing offers that accelerated the process
      Oct 5, 2018
    • Apple Komhfdy
      So you got team matched pretty quickly
      Oct 5, 2018
  • Apple / Eng bKzf48
    OP
    Does Google usually change the level during negotiations? If so, how should I accomplish it?
    Oct 5, 2018 3
    • Google / Eng zMpn88
      They dont. Was in a similar spot, L4 offers from other companies, downleveled by Google to L3. I tried hard to uplevel but they didnt budge.
      Oct 5, 2018
    • Apple / Eng bKzf48
      OP
      How are you liking Google as L3? Any regrets from the negotiation?
      Oct 5, 2018
    • Google / Eng zMpn88
      Too early to comment. Joined couple of months ago.
      Oct 6, 2018
  • Google 6feet
    Agree... TC looks T4, but the level is not. It takes time to level up. So come as L4.
    Oct 5, 2018 3
    • Apple / Eng bKzf48
      OP
      Is it really that difficult to get a promotion to T4 within a yr?
      Oct 5, 2018
    • Google 6feet
      Yes..
      Oct 5, 2018
    • Google TotalComp
      Minimum 2 years. Maybe longer with quota the way it is now.
      Oct 5, 2018
  • New dray
    Great offer for T3, higher than average on http://levels.fyi
    Oct 5, 2018 0
  • Google Dbyg21
    Very good for T3. You could maybe maybe squeeze the rsu and bonus if you have strong competing but either way top offer for T3
    Oct 5, 2018 0
  • Apple / Eng Tim Book
    What is your current Apple TC?
    Oct 6, 2018 1
    • Apple / Eng bKzf48
      OP
      TC is about 200k
      Oct 6, 2018
  • New EVlp62
    Wow very good for T3
    Oct 5, 2018 0