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Nov 2, 2018 35 Comments

Got an offer from Google, but seems they are low balling me.

Current offer is
145 base / 15% bonus / 360 rsu - TC 256
No sign on bonus

That is already after negotiating (still in progress)
Initial offer was
140/15%/ 280 rsu + 20k sign-on - TC231

Location - Sunnyvale
This is L5 for app eng.

Current TC 230 - all cash. 14 YOE. Jersey City.
Don’t have any competing offers, was not looking for new job. google had my CV for about 1.5 years and decided to proceed only now.
Pretty comfortable on my current position.

Several questions:
1) is there such significant difference in TC bw SWE and AE? Current offer seems to be like high L3 or low L4.

2) HR told that bonus could be more with good performance and that 80% of googlers exceeded expectations this year.
How big could bonus be with good performance.

3) what TC could I expect in 2-3 years with good performance.

Biggest decision factor for me is that I got an exception to work remotely from Florida keeping (most likely) same compensation.
Google numbers can’t beat cost of living there. From other side - this is google.
Your thoughts?

Update:
I am offered L4 position, not L5. I think I was interviewed for L5 (on of interviewers told me that), but after HC had to do another follow up interview. That’s why I think they leveled me as L4. Total comp looks now more in line with what L4 get.

New question:
HR told me that HC sees a lot of positive sign in fast promotion to next level. How soon it could possibly be for good performer?

Update Feb 2019:
Goldman raised my total comp to 270 (higher than google offer) and I relocated to Florida. It’s nice, warm and cheap here :)

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  • LinkedIn taze
    230k TC, all cash, in Florida, working remotely??? That’s work goals. I wouldn’t go anywhere.
    Nov 2, 2018 0
  • Qualcomm
    TcTcTc

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    If you dont take the florida job, do you mind referring me to the position? I’d take the $200k in Florida, and drop my current job/life in bay area in a heartbeat
    Nov 2, 2018 3
    • Altera Felxn
      Haha, same here ! Seriously - $230k all cash in Florida feels so much better than slogging out in Bay Area
      Nov 2, 2018
    • Qualcomm
      TcTcTc

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      $230k in Fl is like $500-750k in Bay Area
      Nov 2, 2018
    • Altera Felxn
      ^ This
      Nov 2, 2018
  • Qualcomm Mahomes!
    Are you saying you could make 230k in Florida? Why would you want to leave that over anything?
    Nov 2, 2018 0
  • Google / Eng ReHhj8
    id lay by the beach in florida and work remote.
    Nov 2, 2018 0
  • Symantec / Eng JunkyMunky
    Don't come to the Bay. 145k is considered like minimum wage.
    Nov 2, 2018 0
  • Oracle / Eng -—
    from what i hear from
    googlers i know you won't be allowed to wfh. and sunnyvale location sucks hairy monkey balls from the housing/commute pov.
    Nov 2, 2018 0
  • Facebook alt_qq
    Obviously just work remotely from Florida. That's a dream. Can easily live in a beautiful home by the beach instead of renting a dumpy apt in Sunnyvale
    Nov 2, 2018 0
  • Goldman Sachs / IT
    arElend

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    OP
    Rent in Jersey City now is 2800 for 1BR, 3800-4200+ for two 2BR
    Nov 2, 2018 1
    • Altera Felxn
      For $3k, people live in shitty 1 br in Bay Area - maybe cause I am including downtown. I have lived in jersey city - you can’t compare size of apartments there with apartments in Bay Area . Unless - you value California weather for the difference.
      Nov 2, 2018
  • Qualcomm
    TcTcTc

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    you plan to move to Sunnyvale with $145k base? Not sure where you are located but FYI rent in Sunnyvale is about $3000 for a 2bedroom apartment (if you’re lucky), and state tax is about 10%...
    Nov 2, 2018 0
  • Neustar AdaL
    Listen to the fellow Blinders and go to Florida
    Nov 2, 2018 0
  • Google zFsy57
    What's app eng? That would be VERY low for L5 at Google
    Nov 2, 2018 3
    • Goldman Sachs / IT
      arElend

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      Application engineer
      Nov 3, 2018
    • Google zFsy57
      How is that different than SWE? If you write apps don't you also practice software engineering
      Nov 3, 2018
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      arElend

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      To move from AE to SWE you’ll need another interviews from I’ve been told.
      SWEs are building products for wide use, AEs - tools for internal use (sdlc, infra, finance, supply chain) or integrations for vendors.
      As I understand AEs total comp is less than SWE
      Nov 5, 2018
  • New EVlp62
    230 cash? Good life
    Nov 2, 2018 0
  • Altera Felxn
    For 14 YoE, it seems like a lowball. Did you try to find out why they are offering L5 with this TC ?

    There may be a rational on why they are leveling you at L5. I would say counter that with what you bring to table. Comp wise it doesn’t seem to be much unless they agree with you being remote.

    The increase in salary is way short to have same lifestyle in Sunnyvale compared to Florida. With all cash 230k TC, if it was me - I would just be in Florida unless you value google so much on your resume
    Nov 2, 2018 0
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    arElend

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    No taxes, great 3br for 2k, 15 minutes to the beach 🏖
    May 15 3
    • Where are you living in Florida? St Petersburg? With that kinda money in Florida, forget renting. Buy buy buy.
      Sep 14
    • Goldman Sachs / IT
      arElend

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      Yep
      Sep 14
    • I pmed you
      Sep 14
  • Google / Eng nvg8n4
    AE will definitely be lower than SWE. If you want SWE tell the recruiter you want to interview again. Your bonus will likely be more like 16-19%, of course there's no guarantee there. I don't think this is a low ball offer for AE, you argued up 11% already... But if you're unhappy with it push back and reference https://www.teamblind.com/article/google-engineer---total-compensation-in-us---ultimate-post-jYcrij5X
    Plus get some competing offers.
    Nov 2, 2018 3
    • Google Memegenie
      What are you talking about. L5 base bonus is 15%
      Nov 3, 2018
    • Google / Eng ReHhj8
      Uh the math is Florida_wf_beach_house > Sunnyvale_wf_google_living_in_cardbord_box
      Nov 3, 2018
    • Google / Eng nvg8n4
      The bonus target is 15%, but the perf multiplier (and manager discretion) mean that most people get more.
      Nov 3, 2018
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    Update:
    I am offered L4 position, not L5. I think I was interviewed for L5 (on of interviewers told me that), but after HC had to do another follow up interview. That’s why I think they leveled me as L4. Total comp looks now more in line with what L4 get.

    New question:
    HR told me that HC sees a lot of positive sign in fast promotion to next level. How soon it could possibly be for good performer?
    Nov 5, 2018 2
    • Google / Eng ReHhj8
      I’m guessing L4->L5 is probably 3 perf cycles if you perform well (18-24 months). They want to see sustained performance at next level.
      Nov 6, 2018
    • Apple apbob
      No way an HR person can tell you that you will go to the next level anytime soon. Get the hiring manager to say that. Even the internal recruiters get a bonus based on bringing people in. Ask them to confirm that statement with the hiring manager and say that is deciding factor.
      Feb 2
  • New ktFx31
    Are you still on blind Goldman? What did you choose to do
    Mar 26 1
    • Goldman Sachs / IT
      arElend

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      I am healing my burned skin in Florida :) and GS gave me total comp higher than Google offered, and it is mostly cash
      May 15
  • Op, can you pm me
    Sep 14 0
  • New tLFu71
    Take your 230k cash and go work from tax free Florida.
    Nov 2, 2018 0

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