I have little over 2 years of experience with Amazon still sde1 though and have recently switched to a start up. Soon I will have my Google on-site interview for Bangalore location. Should I push them for a L4 position or should I settle for L3 position? Also what will be the difficuly level of L4 interview compared to that of L3? And if I join as an L3 swe how long does it take to get promoted to L4 with 2+ years of prior experience? Or should I wait for 10 more months and try again for L4?
PS: Initially I applied for Google Munich, I had the phone screen for Munich. The recruiter said I did very well but they want me to consider Bangalore location. How is the internal mobility across countries within Google across L3 and L4 levels?
Sorry for overloading the question!
- Microsoft WLBworkerBecause Bangalore is the only site hiring crazily now. It’s possible to transfer as L3 but definitely harder than L4 due to level requirement of position.
- The guideline is you need to stay at a new position for a year. Promotion doesn’t matter. You can start to apply after 10 months due to visa process. But the rule is breakable. You’ll need approval of current manager. Also it might be hard to convince new manager with few month tenure.
- (Xoogler) Get in at L3, as long *as they match you on comp.* They say they don't negotiate on comp, but they do. They may not budge if you don't have a competing offer. It is better to exceed expectations at a lower level than to meet at a higher level.
Lower levels are easier to get hired, have lower expectations in the door, and with a strongly exceeding expectations rating your comp can even be higher.
This disconnect is more common from 4-5, but can still hold true. Generally, you should either get promoted or managed out at an L3 within a year.
- Google has a bad internal reputation for handling poor performers. In my experience as a manager with someone poorly performing, it was generally to help find a more suitable role within the company (manager and HR assisted). PiP is possible, but more merciful managers will push for a role change.
Maybe from a technical ladder to something non-technical, or just something with a more specific focus suited to their ability.
If that fails, then usual one would be given a window to find and interview for a new role on their own. If they don't find something, or if they fail to meet the criteria of the PiP then they can be let go.
- I've only heard of them matching major companies. Not unheard of to match non-tech companies, just doesn't happen as much. If comp will keep someone qualified from joining, they will try.
As for startup offers, it's possible, but not likely they would have better guaranteed comp. Extremely unlikely they will consider stock, as startups are a gamble and most candidates know that.Oct 5 0
- Amazon o2s8haAmazon is one of the best companies for transferring internally to different countries. They have engineering offices in Dublin, London, Berlin, Amsterdam. At Google, it's hard to clear team matching alone.