Google recruiter wants me to interview for L3

Citadel Letitsnow!
Sep 29, 2018 48 Comments

I have 4 years of experience as software engineer at top hedge funds. I have designed and built backend micro services from scratch. I can do 90% of the tasks without someone telling me how to do it. I feel I am capable of performing as L4 but recruiter is saying that I can succeed better at Google if I start as L3. I don’t believe that. TC: 250-300K. Base 175K and rest is bonus. Should I refuse to interview for L3?

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  • Google hrjsjf
    Honestly, you should go somewhere else or demand an L4 interview. You won't be happy at google at L3 and the recruiter is going to lie to you and tell you that you can just get promoted in a year.
    Sep 29, 2018 2
    • Citadel Letitsnow!
      OP
      Who are all willing to consider me for L4 other than Facebook?
      Sep 29, 2018
    • Uber
      Sep 29, 2018
  • New / Eng :::::::
    They won't match 300TC for L3
    Sep 29, 2018 4
    • Google abedmrng
      They actually can.
      Sep 29, 2018
    • Citadel Letitsnow!
      OP
      Really? If they do that will be like top 1 percentile of L3. Isn’t 300K like median L4 salary?
      Sep 29, 2018
    • Google abedmrng
      Yep! You will be well above band, but they can hit 300k. 145/415/100 earlier this year.
      Sep 29, 2018
    • Facebook Itsamario
      No way, my recruiter told me 300k is impossible
      Oct 3, 2018
  • Google feral
    You could kiss that base salary good bye. You wouldn’t get more than 140 base, 250 tc. Don’t do it. Tell her no and that you’re going to interview with Facebook
    Sep 29, 2018 2
    • Citadel Letitsnow!
      OP
      I am not worried about base as long as TC is equivalent to my current TC. But i will say no for L3
      Sep 29, 2018
    • Oracle kxldkdmd
      I'm opposite, I'd rather get high TC and low level as opposed to lower TC higher level
      Oct 1, 2018
  • Google xOIU50
    As a Google staffing manager, I'm assuming the recruiter is just trying to set you up for interview success, but clearly it wouldn't be in line with comp expectations. Just tell them you want to interview for L4, but also understand the expectations will be much higher in the process. Good luck!
    Sep 29, 2018 2
    • Citadel Letitsnow!
      OP
      Thanks. Will try doing that
      Sep 29, 2018
    • Google xOIU50
      I would also do some research on the difference between L3 and L4 SWE's. This will help you to prep and hopefully convince the recruiter as well.
      Sep 29, 2018
  • Google UBdG56
    Dude don’t interview for L3. It’s really not worth it, they won’t match your expectations. Tell them you’re okay with interviewing for L4 and being downleveled from interview (if this happens reject the offer lol) rather than straight up interviewing for L3. There’s no upleveling.
    Sep 29, 2018 1
    • Citadel Letitsnow!
      OP
      Awesome advice. Will do this.
      Sep 29, 2018
  • Google / Eng half_life
    Tell her the interview target is L4 or you won't do the interview. Worst case they give you an L3 offer if you performed decently well.
    Sep 29, 2018 1
    • Citadel Letitsnow!
      OP
      Yes that’s what i am thinking but for that she should also agree to setup L4 loop
      Sep 29, 2018
  • Microsoft Nxonshdizn
    Google is known to down level folks. Move to FB instead
    Sep 29, 2018 5
    • Citadel Letitsnow!
      OP
      Worried about bad wlb at Facebook. But will definitely interview for leverage
      Sep 29, 2018
    • How is your current WLB at Citadel?
      Sep 29, 2018
    • Citadel Letitsnow!
      OP
      Wlb at Citadel sucks for most people. I am doing 45 hours per week.
      Sep 29, 2018
    • LinkedIn Ehciewboj
      Most people do that much or more at Google.
      Sep 29, 2018
    • Citadel Letitsnow!
      OP
      Do they talk about getting fired everyday? Do they constantly check and reply to their email except sleeping hours?
      Sep 29, 2018
  • Google / Eng half_life
    I'm surprised the recruiter even told you what level you're being interviewed for. Usually recruiters keep this to themselves even when giving out offers. I know several recruiters who straight up lie and tell candidates they cannot reveal the level for their offer.

    Googler gets pissed when they find out they were underleveled after joining. So be upfront about expectations with your recruiter.
    Sep 29, 2018 2
    • Google 💥 town
      Can confirm - was told they didn’t know my level and that I’d have to ask the director of my dept who was incredibly hard to get ahold of. I accepted and was (surprise surprise) underleveled. Manager is pushing hard for <1yr promo, but the whole thing left a bad taste
      Sep 29, 2018
    • Microsoft DOyu71
      Why would you work for a company that blatantly lies to you?
      Sep 29, 2018
  • Google / Ops
    💁🏼‍♂️lol

    Google Ops

    BIO
    Not an HR Person
    💁🏼‍♂️lolmore
    Most external L4 hires I've seen have at least 5 years of experience, you're in the middle -- I'd probably wait a year before considering a move to a large company
    Sep 29, 2018 2
    • Citadel Letitsnow!
      OP
      That sucks. Do you really need 5 yoe to perform at L4 level? The guy who went to school with me joined google fresh out of school and just got promoted to L5 last month.
      Sep 29, 2018
    • It's easier to get promoted internally than it is to be hired at any given level. If your friend is an L5 now, he'd probably come in as an L4 and be downleveled if he was interviewing at Google.
      Sep 29, 2018
  • Microsoft Nxonshdizn
    It doesn’t hurt interviewing. Do best in your interviews and then start negotiating with other offers in hand.
    Sep 29, 2018 2
    • Google feral
      Level is not negotiable if they interview you as L3. You won’t get the design interviews needed for L4-5 consideration. It’d be a waste
      Sep 29, 2018
    • Citadel Letitsnow!
      OP
      Yeah don’t want to waste all my interview preparation and time.
      Sep 29, 2018
  • Facebook Itsamario
    300 TC for l3 is not possible. I asked and recruiter refused
    Sep 29, 2018 3
    • Google dl
      I once saw it in internal sharing list
      Sep 29, 2018
    • Facebook Itsamario
      Well recruiter said it’s not possible so she lied 🤥
      Sep 29, 2018
    • Oracle kxldkdmd
      Internal sharing list is more trustworthy than recruiter? Stuff can also change time to time.
      Oct 1, 2018
  • Google / Eng ;O 𓂺
    Recruiters are shit. Tell them L4 or fuck off. I frequently include an L3 rating when I rate L4 candidates, and hiring committees frequently approve offers that are L-1 to what you interviewed for.

    The recruiter is just looking to have an easy, fast process for themselves.

    It’s ok to take an L3 offer. But if you interview as L3, you’ll have to do another round of interviews to get an L4 offer. Just do L4 off the bat.

    Edit: It’s easy to promote to L4, as long as you focus on shipping tangible features. If you’re immature and want to refactor everything to use functional patterns and you call things you don’t understand “technical debt” then you’ll be an L3 for life.
    Sep 29, 2018 2
    • Google LCHardIsEz
      To be fair, there is a lot of tech debt.
      Sep 29, 2018
    • Google / Eng ;O 𓂺
      I’ve seen worse. And Google rewrites apps every few years. Compared to most places, Google is a well-oiled machine.

      It varies by team, of course, and complexity can be really rough at Google.
      Sep 29, 2018
  • Google / Eng
    wendao1

    Google Eng

    BIO
    cloud
    wendao1more
    i heard someone interview for l3 and get 3 strong hire out of 5,then he ask for extra two rounds to interview for lv4 and get another 2 strong hire. you can try to do this maybe
    Sep 29, 2018 3
    • Google xOIU50
      It's possible, but VERY rare.
      Sep 29, 2018
    • Google / Eng ;O 𓂺
      Not worth it. Better to get 4 lean hires as an L4 candidate and roll the dice. The committee will at least give you L3. Then you only interview once. Coming on site 2-3 times is a waste.
      Sep 29, 2018
    • Google / Eng half_life
      Agreed. Unless you don't mind interviewing multiple times. It's exhausting.
      Sep 29, 2018
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    • Citadel Letitsnow!
      OP
      Only traders and quants get more than 300-500K for 4 yoe. But they also get fired easily
      Sep 29, 2018
  • Microsoft K0zttL0Tkr
    What’s the pay for that level?
    Sep 29, 2018 1
    • Citadel Letitsnow!
      OP
      L3 band is 150-250K. University grads and people with less than 2-3 yoe start as L3.
      Sep 29, 2018
  • Google / Eng
    LeetNope

    Google Eng

    PRE
    Apple
    LeetNopemore
    They'll never be able to match that comp at L3
    Sep 29, 2018 0