Google vs Citadel vs Facebook

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Dec 13, 2018 24 Comments

Deciding between the 3 offers below for summer internship. The most important criteria for me is getting a FT offer in NY post internship. Background: attend a top 1/2 CS school and already have Apple on resume.

Google and Citadel have given me NY placement/teams and so I’m leaning towards those two. However I’m worried about the FT conversion process at Google not being a guarantee (especially FT location), compared to Citadels straightforward performance based conversion process. Furthermore, the team at Google is networking/infra, and I think the work on a market-facing Citadel team could be a lot cooler/more interesting. On the flip side, I'm worried that going down a FT path at Citadel might close off paths back into the product world in tech. Overall, I don't care a lot about the money or the clout so FT location in NY is my biggest decider, but I don't want to make a "wrong" decision here. Any thoughts?

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  • Get fb out of the picture first!

    There have been a lot of movement from Citadel to Google but not so much vice-versa.

    I will suggest Google if its for SWE role for both. You can always change teams inside Google to what you like.
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    • Jane Street Capital / Eng cohobast
      This is probably mostly true, but you’re unlikely to hear about those cases on blind. FWIW, I don’t know a single person who left JS for fang, while a lot of our new hires come from Google, Facebook, etc.
      Dec 13, 2018
    • Lyft ITJA88
      Is life at Jane Street so good that people don't leave?
      Dec 13, 2018
    • Jane Street Capital / Eng cohobast
      I don’t claim that nobody ever leaves Jane Street, but it is pretty unusual for any dev to leave Jane Street for a large tech company. Devs at Jane Street imo have a pretty good balance of WLB, comp, and autonomy that makes typical FANG offers very unattractive in comparison.
      Dec 13, 2018
    • Google amzng123
      But you have to code in ocaml
      Dec 13, 2018
    • Google ddon
      ^^
      Dec 13, 2018
  • Facebook / Eng Vkfkf393
    Citadel has the highest chance of getting a NYC return offer. FB will be close to 0%.
    Dec 13, 2018 1
    • New nickle
      OP
      Good to hear, I think that knocks FB out for me. I’ve had friends gun for NY FB placement and it looks like it gets harder every year...
      Dec 13, 2018
  • Citadel WhoCares10
    My 2 cents.

    Come to Citadel and get a really high return offer ~ 250K TC. Use that as a leverage while doing full time interviews with FANG. Join FANG full time with a head start and 99% percentile L3 TC.
    Dec 13, 2018 3
    • New nickle
      OP
      Thanks, just curious, how does that TC change if this is my senior summer and I would be starting FT after finishing my MEng (5 years).
      Dec 13, 2018
    • Google / Eng UUKg61
      This is precisely what I would have done.
      Dec 13, 2018
    • Google Xgg1sa
      Any reason why they wouldn’t want to stay at Citadel? Note that even higher end new grad offers at Google aren’t that amazing, they’re closer to average L4 offers. (Say $250k+ TC first year, $200k+ recurring.)
      Dec 13, 2018
  • Spotify Radiator
    Go to any of the internships, you can always apply for a FTE role in nyc outside of your internships. I knew someone who started out citadel, quit within two years and is much happier. If NYC doesn’t work out for intern conversion, PM me for Spotify NYC. I went down the finance path briefly after being in tech and hated it.
    Dec 13, 2018 1
    • New nickle
      OP
      Awesome will do
      Dec 13, 2018
  • Google Xgg1sa
    Google is opening a large new NY office. Also the general rule is only NY interns get NY return offers, not that no one does. But it would be more of a gamble.
    Dec 13, 2018 3
    • New nickle
      OP
      Saw the news about 2021 expansion, would this mean better odds of moving to google NY a few years out of school? I am confident I could perform well during the internship, but have watched friends just get unlucky with conversion interviews and NY placement, and my NY FT requirements make me more risk averse.
      Dec 13, 2018
    • Google Xgg1sa
      Tough choice. Personally I’d lean away from Google unless you know you’re joining a strong team. Perhaps ask some folks at your school who have worked at Citadel. IMO if you want to stay in NY you should go to Citadel. You could always move here later.
      Dec 13, 2018
    • New nickle
      OP
      Makes sense, thanks
      Dec 13, 2018
  • Nielsen / Eng
    userperson

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    userpersonmore
    Is this for swe or quant?
    Dec 13, 2018 2
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      OP
      Sorry, SWE
      Dec 13, 2018
    • Nielsen / Eng
      userperson

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      Google. Secure big name early in career.
      Dec 13, 2018
  • Bloomberg / Eng iVX372
    Citadel and FB are known to have terrible WLB, so your FTE effective hourly rate would likely be lower than Google.
    Dec 13, 2018 0
  • Microsoft Yunos
    Google.
    Dec 13, 2018 0