Google vs vmware

Arista Networks CFft60
Oct 8 62 Comments

Got offers from both:

YoE: 3.5

Google (L3 production network engineer): 123k/170k/30k/18k (15% bonus) = 184k excluding sign-on
Vmware (MTS-3, quality eng): 160k/100k/20k/19.2 (12% bonus) = 204k excluding sign-on

I feel more inclined towards Google due to:
1. Profile looks good
2. Plenty of opportunities to learn
3. Having Google on resume

Just feeling a bit bad that I am compromising almost 20k in salary for having Google on my resume.

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TOP 62 Comments
  • Juniper phe
    Dont join vmware! Lot of politics. My friend wants to leave it asap.
    Oct 8 6
    • Motorola RQmz50
      Microsoft employee would say that 😂
      Oct 9
    • Juniper phe
      😆😳
      Oct 9
    • VMware VPCloud
      True but from the mouth of a Juniperer?!
      Oct 9
    • VMware / Eng Margret
      It’s a 21,000+ person company. One person negative experience doesn’t mean anything.
      Oct 9
    • VMware omRP10
      And Google doesn’t have politics. Right!
      Oct 12
  • Cisco gutki
    I don't believe VMware is a "storage company". They are pioneers in Compute virtualization and also Network virtualization with NSX after Nicira acquisition. Private Cloud/On Prem & Hybrid Cloud is here to stay and would always be an option. My advice would be not to go by name only - sure Google looks good in resume, but if you continue to be in field of Networking, Cloud or Virtualization, so does VMWare. IMHO it is always about where you'd do your best work. And as others mentioned, try negotiating with Google while keeping in mind that it is VMWare who seems to be offering more value to you.
    Oct 9 2
    • Cisco oolalaa
      I agree with this. VMware is worth more in the networking realm than Google.
      Oct 9
    • VMware / Eng algos
      I agree with you 💯%
      But if he approaches VmWare with Google in resume later. He might get offered more
      Oct 9
  • Citrix Systems / Mgmt alleb
    Go for Google. The possibilities are endless. VM is a specific to just IT. Google offers more in terms of functions and roles for the long run
    Oct 9 0
  • Cisco brut
    I am telling this based on 10+ years of experience in storage industry. Private cloud concept is dimnishing, along with it the prospects of Vmware or any other enterprise company. Cloud usage is still in nascent stage. In the next recession, cloud migration will explode. What does this mean to you? Pick Google even though GCP is the right now weakest of all of the public cloud vendors in revenue.
    Oct 9 11
    • Cisco brut
      An ignorant engineer like you all stated.
      Oct 9
    • Cisco brut
      May be i should edit my original comment as "Vmware or any other enterprise infrastructure company" to cover the entire enterprise gambit.
      Oct 9
    • Cisco brut
      BTW, my prediction is about the future and more so in the context of the so-called next recession. During 2008 recession and after, vmware made landslide gains because all corporations worldwide adapted to virtualization to curtail the costs. In the next recession, the same kind of adaptation may possibly increase prospects of the public cloud. That's all! There is nothing to feel emotional about my comment.
      Oct 9
    • Cisco brut
      Cheers folks 😁
      Oct 9
    • VMware / Eng chigga
      No one here is arguing that vmware is better than Google. Just saying that you are ignorant, thinking that vmware is only a private cloud player. VMware has public cloud offerings too.
      Oct 9
  • Cisco keyboard12
    What experience did you have before you applies to Google? I'm new to network eng field so looking for advice. Feel free to pm
    Oct 9 2
    • Juniper phe
      He won’t feel free to pm. You need to initiate the pm. 🙂
      Oct 9
    • Cisco keyboard12
      Aha just did
      Oct 9
  • VMware nsucks
    I will be moving to the production networking team at Google soon, as a software engineer. There's a lot of software development happening in that larger group and all the network engineers write a lot of code. It's not traditional routing stack or SDN work, you'll work on software that aids network planning or detection of network errors etc. This part of your decision depends on what you're interested in.

    In terms of comp, VMware front loads your comp, don't expect great stock refreshers. Google on the other hand has yearly refreshes for meets expectations and above, so in a year you will easily go past what you'll make at VMware.
    Oct 9 0
  • VMware nitO16
    Do you understand the difference between quality engineering and production network engineering? Which team did you like better? Inclined to say Google but depends on the team. Your too young/early in your career to worry about money (you'll be able to make up for the 20k sooner than you think)
    Oct 9 2
    • Arista Networks CFft60
      OP
      I am more inclined towards working on a real network. I have been in QA/testing at my current role so my interest area is to move away from that role.
      Oct 9
    • VMware nitO16
      I would go for that position now. Going to VMware as a QE will make your profile look one dimensional and you will be later on be pursued for your QE expertise. If you don't see yourself doing that for the long haul moved and don't worry about the 20k.
      Oct 9
  • VMware 5'6 Indiаn
    Come join us! We got cookies and layoffs.
    Oct 9 0
  • Cisco / Eng
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    Go for Google
    Oct 9 0
  • Goldman Sachs pollydrai
    Poll
    Oct 8 0
  • NVIDIA ILoveVette
    Google won’t match?
    Oct 8 4
    • Arista Networks CFft60
      OP
      I had to use the vmware offer to bump it up to what it is. They say this is the max we can do for the role.
      Oct 8
    • NVIDIA ILoveVette
      POS G smh sorry man
      But go Google, you’ll make more in the long run prob + the resume flex
      Oct 9
    • Arista Networks / Eng Xyzabcdefg
      @CFft60 why you are leaving Arista?
      Oct 10
    • Arista Networks / Eng Xyzabcdefg
      nm, I just read at the very bottom you need to try new role other QA/Test role?
      I think you should be able to switch within Arista.
      If you are looking for a hike with role change then go for Google they are our customers so you definitely have a advantage of the product knowledge gained here
      Oct 10
  • VMware FjYa47
    OP, are these offers in the Bay area?
    Oct 9 1
    • Arista Networks CFft60
      OP
      Yep
      Oct 9
  • AT&T MsdR32
    Don't forget to factor in refreshers. I don't know what you would get for each, but I'd guess G will be better, so the lower TC might not be true over a multi year period
    Oct 9 0
  • VMware / R&D ckgC75
    From a technology standpoint, Google does everything VMware does and more. Go to google. There is too much politics and many mediocre managers at VMware to make sufficient progress.

    20k is nothing in the long run. You will probably make much more and be happier at Google.
    Oct 9 0
  • Motorola / Eng motodude
    Goooooooooogle!
    Oct 9 0
  • Pivotal yeezytaugh
    depends on what side of the competition you want to be on.

    Google is a cloud leader, and VMware is ramping up to be. VMware wants to win and capture the market. They have a leading advantage since they already run most of the world's VMs.

    To be at Google, or be part of the force that beats Google? 🤔
    Oct 9 5
    • VMware dev.null
      HAHA! The force that beats Google? Serious?

      Your company just got bailed out when Michael Dell forced VMW to buy PVTL out — to VMware’s financial detriment. I don’t think you should be talking about one company beating another TBH.
      Oct 9
    • VMware dev.null
      Ok. Sure. And the markets. Go check out your ticker for the last 12 months and report back.

      I’m waiting.
      Oct 10
    • Pivotal yeezytaugh
      Someone here is obviously unhappy and it ain't me
      Oct 10
    • VMware dev.null
      I’m fine. My stock didn’t crash. I’m far away from the dumpster fire that is PVTL. Thanks for your concern though.
      Oct 10
  • VMware take3
    easy choice vmw. what do you want to be network engineer or software engineer? imo they are not the same. check if google can hire you as software engineer. if they do, go with them. otherwise join vmw and try next year
    Oct 9 2
    • Juniper phe
      Why not join google now and change the team later depending on OP’s personal interest.
      Moreover vmware is offering him a QE role. So google should be an easy choice.
      Oct 9
    • VMware take3
      transferring within goog is not as easy. especially when roles are diff. goog doesn’t have to know op did qe at vmw
      Oct 9
  • Arista Networks AXyzz
    All the experts has already commented about pros and cons. And moreover getting 20k less is not end of the world. But if dont like the work then its going to be hell for you. So just take a step back and go with your first instinct.
    Oct 9 0
  • VMware ghg67fhh
    Which BU in VMware? I'm inclined to say Google.
    Oct 9 0
  • VMware biyx55
    Google. Don't even think of VMware
    Oct 9 0

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