Google walkout organizers say they're facing retaliation

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  • Equifax / Eng
    diDP08

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    They were not at all sneaky about retaliation against James Damore
    Apr 2279
    • Facebook lkj630
      I'll give the article you linked a deeper read, I did misread initially.

      And I think the question around black people is very relevant - current thinking is that, for women, black people and other minorites, bias has a significant effect on their entrance and success in stem. Is the takeaway that only in this one case is it related to biological differences, otherwise it's bias?
      Apr 24
    • Microsoft pfffftttt
      It’s also important that Damore didn’t write that for a WW audience. He was naive to think it wouldn’t get leaked. We’re seeing it too - open discussion gets stifled, if not shut down, with cherrypicked leaks to the press. It’s the “heckler’s veto” version of internal discussion.
      Apr 25
    • Facebook lkj630
      The whole thing got leaked though? No cherry picking there. Everyone saw what he really thought.
      Apr 25
    • Microsoft ghfc2
      Meaning, only that paper was leaked. Someone cherrypicked his perspective, but no one else’s.

      It should have never been leaked - that anything at all was leaked against a contributor’s will is horrendous, regardless of content.
      Apr 25
    • Credit Karma EllisDee25
      Lol, the premise is what people took issue with, not random quotes.
      Apr 25
    • Facebook lkj630
      Wait what Microsoft? Were there multiple people who wrote sexist memos and only his got leaked? What exactly is being cherry picked here? To me, it sounds like he did something dumb and then had to bear the consequences.
      Apr 25
    • Credit Karma EllisDee25
      Lol, did he mark it as “confidential and proprietary”?

      It wasn’t like it was a company document - he sent out a memo, unprompted, and people released it because, for anyone not easily fooled by confirmation bias, it was a stunning work of idiocy and sexist assumptions shoddily dressed up to sound reasonable and “scientific”.

      It’s interesting that supporters of the memo just can’t see why people were upset and keep thinking that quotes were misconstrued or that people didn’t like semantic things about it. Let me be clear, for at least the last couple hundred years, job inequality has ALWAYS been explained-away as “natural”. Slaves are happier as slaves; Jim-Crow era black people are more naturally suited to low-paying manual work; Irish immigrants need to work 12 hours to prevent them from just drinking their lives away; women are nurses because women are only fit for jobs in which they take care of men; women can not be professionals because their womanly humors cause hysteria under stress.

      This is what upset people and why this wasn’t simply a memo about D&I best practices or whatnot. Frankly I think D&I initiatives are weak and superficial (and corporate) ways to address the real issue of systemic job inequalities... but not because of “nature” and differences in brain chemistry (that researchers - unlike the argument in the memo - say has no significant real-world effects.)
      Apr 25
    • Uber kinh
      I love these comments. A bunch of dumb fucks in tech companies who has no expertise in biology, psychology, physiology and social science talk as if they know everything.

      Is this what an anti vaxxer, climate denials forum looks like?
      Apr 25
    • Facebook lkj630
      But damore, a guy who lied about his qualifications (phd not), is totally qualified to write on the topic of systemic gender differences. And how to handle them.

      Also, not to be that guy (but I'm gonna be that guy), I have a degree in neuroscience.
      Apr 25
    • Yahoo VftD25
      it isn't true that some jobs are more attractive to women than men. it is true that social conditioning exists from day one post birth that groom boy vs girl social construct genders (not scientific male vs female) to gravitate to jobs society deems most appropriate and less taboo for their genders, respectively
      Apr 26
  • Apple fruitco334
    On the one hand, retaliation against “whistleblowers” is dumb as fuck and also illegal.

    On the other hand... pikachu.jpg
    Apr 2213
    • Google / EngAOjK47
      It may not be whistleblowing. But retaliation against people for protesting working conditions is still illegal.
      Apr 23
    • Microsoft wyzQ24
      Yea, not Whistling
      Apr 23
    • New Cfwf41
      Wow...ditching work and complaining because the company you "work" for doesn't like it? Who knew 🙄
      Apr 23
    • Travelport / Engbuttnpushr
      @cfwf41 oh come on, they tried a protest to improve work conditions. Obviously internal channels did not work, it's not like they ditched work to nap all day
      Apr 23
    • Microsoft basis
      ^Internal channels are often working their best when they “don’t work”.
      Apr 23
    • Travelport / Engbuttnpushr
      Their best is not enough if their internal policy or the bigwigs suck
      Apr 23
    • Yahoo VftD25
      could the handling of sexual harassment claims be illegal?
      Apr 23
    • Amazon Jеff Bezоs
      “SJWs discover that going against Google makes them less Googly and less employable”. News at 11!
      Apr 23
    • Indeed / Enganimal🦍
      Certain types of retaliation is illegal but this may not fall in that classification
      Apr 23
    • Walmart.com / Productgorp92
      Lol @ the use of SJW 🙄
      Apr 24
  • Google / Project
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    I don't doubt it for a minute. I've been on the receiving end of that shit myself at Google. They can be and are slick and careful about how the retaliation happens. In such a way that you might even question it yourself. More Corp now than startup, twisted and evil.
    Apr 2218
    • New / Biz Devstarlord42
      Yeah, they haven't been a startup for like 15 years
      Apr 23
    • Microsoft basis
      Should have used a Chico State comma, to be more blunt.
      Apr 23
    • Uber Mandrakes
      “Twisted and Evil”. Welcome to the dark side.
      Apr 23
    • Travelport / Engbuttnpushr
      Imagine being so removed from reality you are using Disney villain descriptors for literally THE corporation
      Apr 23
    • Yahoo xylr57
      How about North Dakota State Comma
      Apr 23
    • Amazon / Engn0v
      "Do Know Evil"
      Apr 24
    • Microsoft wyka
      Like the article says. They'll never pinpoint the act of organizing the walkout. Instead they'll point out flaws in your performance.
      Apr 25
    • Amazon lkjhgfpoi
      Come work for Amazon. Lol
      Apr 25
    • Microsoft CykaBlyat
      Like Amazon is any better.
      Apr 25
    • Travelport / Engbuttnpushr
      I for one kinda like the labor monkey cages
      Apr 25
  • Facebook public2
    So skipping work is bad for your career? Shocking.
    Apr 225
    • A lot of people do it every year! It’s called sick days, or vacations, or just plain ol’ holidays.
      Apr 23
    • Microsoft SWsR51
      And this was called open defiance. Prolly not in the handbook.

      Employment is a contract. If you breach it, that’s your problem.
      Apr 24
    • Microsoft wyka
      Skipping work at a place that boasts unlimited vacation is bad for your career.
      Apr 25
    • Facebook public2
      Google doesnt gave have unlimited vacation.
      Apr 25
    • Retaliation for whistleblowing is illegal. Why is everyone defending it? 🙄
      Apr 25
  • Amazon browntown
    Simple as if you won’t work you won’t get paid. These millennial idiots forget they’re at-will employees.

    Have fun sacrificing your paycheck.
    Apr 2313
    • Twitch nonezo
      This is all covered in the national labor relations act of 1935. It is illegal to fire people for discussing work conditions.
      Apr 23
    • Oath / MgmtAtinlay2
      Organizing a walkout is not “discussing work conditions”
      Apr 23
    • Twitch nonezo
      It is labor organization. The national labor relations act of 1935 covers that as well.

      Firing people for engaging in labor organization is illegal, according to that law.
      Apr 23
    • Oath / MgmtAtinlay2
      You need to learn about “at-will employees”. As long as discrimination isn’t involved, they can fire you on the spot.
      Apr 23
    • Amazon browntown
      My birth father is a labor lawyer in California. I have lived this for 35 years and yes they can be fired if they are not in employment contract (executive level)
      Apr 23
    • Google / EngAOjK47
      It is illegal to discipline workers who participate in a strike regardless of whether they are unionized: https://www.employmentlawinsights.com/2016/01/can-your-non-union-workers-strike-yes-they-can/
      Apr 23
    • Twitch nonezo
      This is literally covered in the 1935 labor relations act.

      Are you guys aware of this law that has been around for almost 100 years, that makes labor organization retaliation illegal?
      Apr 23
    • Flagged by the community.

    • Amazon Agent 007
      I don’t know why that’s news. Amazon managers retaliate and threaten employees on a regular basis.

      They even remind coworkers from India and China that the company can withdraw their visa sponsorship at any given time for any reason.
      Apr 23
    • Google / EngPfjhebs
      Lol really?
      Apr 23
  • eBay Yeah Bruh
    Looks like retaliation mirrors the cause - open and blunt against conservatives, sneaky and hypocritical for liberals
    Apr 225
    • Microsoft pJcW86
      Walking out is a liberal thing?
      Apr 22
    • eBay Yeah Bruh
      And James Damore was fired for being a writer. Dumbass.
      Apr 22
    • Microsoft pJcW86
      You're the dumbfuck trying to politicize everything.
      Apr 22
    • New / Consultant
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      To be fair, this IS under the politics topic category.
      Apr 23
    • Indeed / Enganimal🦍
      Snortles
      Apr 23
  • Uber Yaka
    At the end of the day, you're just an employee. STFU and get back to work
    Apr 239
    • Twitch nonezo
      Companies shouldn't break the law.
      Apr 23
    • LinkedIn void 0
      This is the most Uber comment I’ve ever seen and it prolly wasn’t even intentional. Art🎨
      Apr 23
    • Uber Yaka
      If laws were broken, take it to court
      Apr 23
    • Square / EngSQ
      Pretty ignorant statement. Good luck paying a competent lawyer firm to take it on while Google's team just delays until you run out of funds.
      Apr 23
    • Uber Yol0$
      There is enough people here for a class action. Lawyers love that shit
      Apr 23
    • Twitch nonezo
      This is literally what people are doing. They are taking it to court.
      Apr 23
    • Cruise Automation PYEX13
      You’re not just an employee of the company. You are the company.
      Apr 24
    • Uber Yol0$
      Have you ever been laid off? If so, you will quickly find out that you are not the company
      Apr 24
    • Uber RomanBoss
      Get that ass back to work!
      Apr 25
  • Apple castigator
    Why people are using private companies as their political platforms? You don’t like the company policies? Leave for one you like. You want a socially responsible company? Work for a NGO.

    Corporations are corporations. They don’t give a dime to anything else but revenues. Yes, they can try to be also socially nice, until it doesn’t affect revenues.
    Apr 2370
    • Facebook lkj630
      Lol.
      Apr 26
    • Uber shawna
      Omg this thread is cancer! What’s with all this BS conspiracy theory!
      May 2
    • New / Product
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      Cancer is censorship -- news is Zuckbook has censored conservatives AGAIN for no reason whatsoever.

      Freedom of speech is a right.
      Its not subject to TOS.
      Its not a "public square" if you can't speak your mind freely.

      Totalitarianism begins with any form of censorship. Stop burying your heads in the sand.
      May 3
    • Facebook lkj630
      Lol. Inciting real violence -> "no reason". Wasn't even just conservatives who got deplatformed, but guessing that Louis Farrakhan being taken down doesn't fit the narrative.

      Freedom of speech is a right in relation to government and public space. Not private business.
      It also is not freedom from consequences. Why did these people get taken down? As a consequence of their actions.

      The reason Facebook removes offensive material? Because people use Facebook less if it doesn't. It's not some giant crusade against free speech, whatever that might be. It's metric driven. Would sharing child porn also be free speech? How about terrorist propaganda? Or your home address to people bent on harassing or threatening you? The whole perpetuating genocide in Myanmar thing? That all good?

      Also, your ideas of free speech are so America centric it's painful. Many other countries have hate speech laws for exactly this reason - to prevent incitement of violence. You do realise the majority of Facebook's users are not American right?
      May 3
    • New / Product
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      Freedom of speech is a right in the United States of America. It's a Constitutional right, it is the law of this land.

      No company ***No one*** is exempt from the laws of the United States of America.

      Go read your Constitution and Bill of rights. And stop spreading misinformation.
      May 3
    • Facebook lkj630
      Come on, you can Google this:

      "The right to free speech means that you are allowed to express yourself without interference or constraint by the government".

      Facebook (and Twitter and Google and and) are private companies which clearly define their terms of service for use of their platform. You could argue that the government can't censor you on those platforms. But you literally agree to abide by their tos when you create an account. Stop reading your conspiracy sites and actually do your research.
      No one gets taken down for saying 'I'm a conservative'. They get taken down for saying 'we must cleanse our country of Jews and Muslims', etc. Or, equally, 'all men are trash'.
      I feel like I'm explaining how the internet works here. Seriously.

      https://sarafhawkins.com/how-free-speech-and-social-media-fit-together/

      https://www.freedomforuminstitute.org/about/faq/do-individuals-have-first-amendment-rights-on-others-private-property/

      https://corporate.findlaw.com/law-library/freedom-of-speech-in-the-workplace-the-first-amendment-revisited.html
      May 3
    • New / Product
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      Your ignorance is ASTOUNDING. Compounded by inaccurate content. You simply don't understand your Constitutional rights. Ignorance of the law is harming you then you're spreading it.
      Do what many scholars have to do these days: get a book printed prior to year 2008. Everything after that date has been intentionally altered to produce ignorance and submission.

      When you don't know your rights, then you don't have them. Tyranny relies on ignorance. Democracy relies on a well informed electorate.
      May 4
    • Facebook lkj630
      'intentionally altered' - are you for real? Either you're a great troll or you actually may need some psychiatric help because you're not living in the world as the rest of us know it.

      Freedom of speech has only ever applied to government and public spaces. Feel free to provide me with lawsuits, rulings or, well, anything to suggest otherwise.
      And no, I'm not going to buy that there's no record of this because they've all been intentionally altered. Primary sources please.
      May 4
    • Apple castigator
      @FB wGcU18 is a Russian troll. Don’t waste your time.
      May 4
  • Spotify mmmmmn
    Even google got sick of SJWs.
    Apr 230
  • Google / EngWulperting
    Maybe it’s because a lot of them are the worst people here.
    Apr 231
    • Google facetious
      Memegen is a honeypot of all those SJWs these days tbh
      Apr 23
  • Oath / MgmtAtinlay2
    At a lot of jobs, you try and unionize or do something like this it’s fireable
    Apr 227
    • Credit Karma EllisDee25
      Yes they do - even though that’s an illegal action by the company.
      Apr 22
    • Oath / MgmtAtinlay2
      It’s not illegal if it’s in writing and buried in the handbook. You cause a walkout and cost the company money and bad press, you should expect something to happen.
      Apr 22
    • Credit Karma EllisDee25
      The law is that once workers formally announce their attempt to unionize (regardless of any relationship to existing labor unions) it is illegal for companies to fire people for that or intimidate them. But since the government and two parties support business interests, in actual practice companies do these things all the time.
      Apr 23
    • Oath / MgmtAtinlay2
      Want to bet? That’s what all the paperwork you sign covers.
      Apr 23
    • Microsoft Mac&Jeans
      How does the process of electronegativity help with this problem?
      Apr 23
    • Microsoft Mac&Jeans
      Years ago, a group of Microsoft employees (and vendors) tried to form a union. They launched a target stealth mode attack on those employees. The vendors didn’t get a contract renewal and the FTE group was disbanded since a bunch of them came from the same team and had a lot of ‘interaction time’ everyday.
      Apr 23
    • Credit Karma EllisDee25
      Right, companies do it - they just find a pretext and even if they don’t they just get a fine or injunction after the damage is done.

      Atinlay, the paperwork can say whatever - they probably wouldn’t put something blatantly illegal in there, but I’m sure a lot of it is ambivalent of actual law and written to intimidate employees - it would be on the employee to try and sue. And the company would then just settle anyway.

      But at any rate it’s the law even if it’s only enforced if unions or groups of workers fight to make it actually be enforced.
      Apr 23
  • Salesforce trololool
    Never realized Blind was swarming with bootlickers
    Apr 231
    • Oath / MgmtAtinlay2
      And window lickers!
      Apr 23
  • Microsoft megamanX
    Get woke go broke
    Apr 230
  • Airbnb doot
    Look at all of the privileged snots here. None of you think about the bullshit until it hits your team.
    Apr 231
  • Nordstrom Nepotism
    Maybe try spending your work time on work. These people created Twitter accounts, spent all day bring activists. Do your job. Campaign on your own time.
    Apr 230
  • New cTqz82
    Honestly google would be dumb as fuck not to do so. A lot of these activist type assholes have somehow ended up in google and they have been pissing all over.

    Google does not have asex dungeon where all interns have to reside. Google remains one of the safest workplace on earth and follows all best practices. Picking up isolated incidents and using them to pass activist process is a surest way to put the company in death spiral.
    Apr 236
    • New / Eng
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      I mean their own fucked hiring strategies got them there. Now they're trying to undo the damage of "progressive" Google.
      Apr 23
    • Isn't that how these things always go?
      Apr 23
    • New cTqz82
      Yup that is how it works. They should not have hired people with liberal arts degrees first.
      Apr 23
    • Facebook lkj630
      The issue is not that the sexual harassment happened. The issue is that these execs got paid and allowed to leave on their own terms.
      That has nothing to do with workplace safety, and given the repeated nature, doesn't seem all that isolated.
      Way to miss the point 👍
      Apr 23
    • New / Eng
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      Let's take the moral high ground from a Facebook engineer.
      Apr 24
    • Facebook lkj630
      Techleed, who my employer is doesn't make you any less wrong 👍
      Apr 24
  • Uber RomanBoss
    I blame the modern university system for teaching these dumb kids that everything they don’t agree with needs to be protested with outrage and a walkout. People are so soft these days, do they seriously expect to get paid for organizing employees to not work?
    Apr 257
    • Apple castigator
      That comes more from helicopter parents. By the time they reach college it is all set up.
      Apr 25
    • Microsoft pfffftttt
      This protesting and petitions is starting to look like unionizing... 🤔🤔
      Apr 25
    • Apple castigator
      Unions is for the rights of the workers, not for contracts with customers we don’t like.
      Apr 25
    • Microsoft pfffftttt
      The workers already have rights. This is organizing to change policy they don’t agree with.

      The law already protects the worker from harm in just about every conceivable way. Does that mean bad things don’t occur? Of course not. The law is still there, however.
      Apr 25
    • Microsoft gfba68
      Are you stupid? People have been protesting for thousands of years about things they don't agree with.
      Apr 25
    • Hubspot fK4C02
      But let’s be clear. They are not now in a union or formed one so they are at will. You don’t get to act like you’re in a union and claim protections you don’t have.
      Apr 26
    • Microsoft gfba68
      You don't have to be in a union for the law to apply to you. Union membership is irrelevant
      Apr 26
  • Microsoft TonyM
    I’ve worked for a couple companies I didn’t like. I quit and went to work somewhere else. It never occurred to me to protest the company
    Apr 237
    • New / Eng
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      Because they know if they tried to interview anywhere else they probably couldn't the same position or pay.
      Apr 23
    • Microsoft bwaaaahhh
      Prolly because you learned CS/engineering in uni. This group learned how to protest.
      Apr 23
    • New / Eng
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      YOUR RIGHTS END WHERE MY FEELINGS BEGIN
      Apr 23
    • Microsoft bwaaaahhh
      Conversely, your feelings end where my rights begin?
      Apr 23
    • New / Eng
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      I don't believe the way it's phrased is transitive
      Apr 23
    • Microsoft pfffftttt
      So the end isn’t a beginning? I’m confused. If there is no demarcation, wouldn’t that suggest I have no rights?
      Apr 23
    • New / Eng
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      Correct, that's how I feel these protesters feel deep inside is that the rights of another are stomped when they feel attacked or wronged.
      Apr 23
  • Microsoft oanfien
    What part of this article speaks to alleged retaliation? Tech "journalists" are agenda-pushing garbage
    Apr 234
    • New / Eng
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      Gotta create that outrage for clicks.
      Apr 23
    • New / OtherXyzxyzxyz7
      You’re both wrong. If you read the second woman’s post she talks about how she feels her demotion was retaliation. I doubt journalists were pushing an agenda. They were just quoting from the letters and the company had an opportunity to respond.
      Apr 23
    • New / Eng
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      I was more making a comment about how much clickbait exists not the substance of the argument
      Apr 23
    • Google / EngPfjhebs
      While usually true, in this case, this memo was "marketed" as retaliation in the original doc and in internal boards. Not fault of the wired author.
      Apr 23
  • Tesla laodidhd
    Don’t shit where you eat
    Apr 233
    • LimeBike limeyeet
      Don't bite the hand that feeds you, either.
      Apr 23
    • Nebbiolo Technologies / IT
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      Never understood that one. So am I supposed to go to McDonalds to shit in the morning.
      Apr 23
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      Or just don't shit in the kitchen... or the living room.. or your bedroom... or..... or ... etc.
      Apr 23
  • Apple castigator
    The concept is simple, be an activist and nobody can touch your performance review
    Apr 230
  • Oracle alwzangry
    Lawyers always help find ways to legally take care of troublemakers. Laws are to make sheeple feel safe. That's how everything works.
    Apr 225
    • VMware pvw5l9v
      Manager ^^^^
      Apr 23
    • Glassdoor nyb123
      never met a truly intelligent, well-adjusted person who uses the term "sheeple" (side note: or who complains about "haters")
      Apr 23
    • Oracle alwzangry
      Yeah VMware, I got the battle scars... 😔

      Glassdoor, glad to meet you too!
      Apr 23
    • Bloomberg / Eng
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      Sheeple!!!
      Apr 24
    • Salesforce FgSf51
      Wake up!
      Apr 24
  • Microsoft / Eng
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    Wow, they got off easy. They should be fired for promoting employee absenteeism and insubordination.
    Apr 2311
    • Microsoft / Eng
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      What about it? No one walked out of their job responsibilities in protest. There was an email chain and a Yammer thread, which are appropriate mediums of communication.

      Walking off the job should be met with disciplinary action.
      Apr 24
    • Facebook lkj630
      I dunno, seems to be that there's not much difference between walking away from your desk, and sitting at your desk not working.
      Why does it matter if in both cases employees were spending their time not working? Is not working while posting online better?
      Apr 24
    • Microsoft / Eng
      glub

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      There's a difference because one set of employees were engaged in healthy back and forth dialogue vs walking away from their responsibilities.

      The objectives were different too. One was designed to get media attention, the other was meant to be an internal discussion that was unscrupulously leaked to the media.
      Apr 24
    • Facebook lkj630
      Oooh, okay, so it's not about people not doing work.
      It's about them not doing work AND not doing it in a way you approve of.
      Got it, thanks for clearing that up.
      Apr 24
    • Microsoft / Eng
      glub

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      No need to be snarky, it's not hard to understand. There are effective communication strategies that are acceptable, and disruptive strategies that should not be tolerated.

      You have the natural right to be disruptive, but your company also has the right to remove disruptive elements from the workplace.
      Apr 24
    • Facebook lkj630
      What if the acceptable strategies aren't working?
      Apr 24
    • Microsoft / Eng
      glub

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      Then you have an option to vote with your feet if your management doesn't care enough about you to make the necessary changes.

      Or you can be disruptive, but don't play the victim card when your company takes action against your disruptive behavior.

      As long as a company is operating within the law, they can run their business however they want. It takes a special snowflake to publically shame their own employer and expect to not be reprimanded for their behavior.

      As a side note, I don't think one of the organizers was even retaliated against for the walkout. Her role was reassigned after a miserable rollout of the AI Ethics council. I do think they should have done her a favor and fired her so she could be free to pursue better opportunities with people who support her cause.
      Apr 24
    • Facebook lkj630
      By support her cause do you mean companies that don't pay their executives bonuses for sexual assualting people?
      There is a long history of peaceful civil disobedience like the walkout being necessary for change, when conventional methods don't work.
      Examples here include the American civil rights movement, the apartheid struggle, Gandhi and India's independence. And so on.
      Should they also have been punished?
      Apr 24
    • Microsoft / Eng
      glub

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      If you honestly don't see the difference between protesting your government (a public organization) and protesting your employer (a private organization) then we are just going to continue to talk past each other.

      I support her cause but I don't support her behavior. There are other companies out there that don't do the reprehensible things that Google does. She is free to join them.
      Apr 24
    • Facebook lkj630
      I guess I just don't agree that the only recourse after official channels haven't worked is to quit.
      Quitting also requires a certain level of economic stability and isn't something the vast majority of people employed by Google can afford. I.e. only the upper middle class can choose to vote with their feet in the bay. Does that mean that everyone else should just suck it up?
      I personally applaud the organisers for taking on this risk and trying to make the place where they work better for everyone.
      Apr 24
  • Ticketmaster nLxN77
    To quote a great man

    >If you don't like your job, you don't strike! You just go in every day, and do it really half assed. That's the American way. - Homer Simpson
    Apr 230
  • Microsoft Hyad70
    People have the right to protest and walk out, but companies also have the right to change their assignments or in right to work states, terminate them at will for no stated reasons..."We decided today is your last day." Period.
    Apr 236
    • Microsoft Vbsm66
      This is inaccurate. Even at-will employment is subject to limitations.
      Apr 23
    • Microsoft Hyad70
      So long as you are not fired for reasons like race. Religion, sexual orientation, etc, they owe you NO reason... https://www.thebalancecareers.com/what-does-employment-at-will
      Apr 27
    • Microsoft Vbsm66
      Exactly, even you are agreeing that right-to-work is subject to limitations. There are further limitations as well. Right-to-work is a state law. Federal law prohibits certain classes of workplace retaliation, specifically retaliation when employees complain about workplace harassment or discrimination.

      https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/workplace-retaliation-employee-rights-30217.html
      Apr 28
    • Microsoft Hyad70
      Yes, as my original post stated, "... In right to work states.". If you read carefully, if you are pulled in an HR meeting in such states and advised they no longer need your services, they owe you no reason and if they have stated no specific reason, the burden of proof for retaliatory action is on you.
      Apr 28
    • Microsoft Vbsm66
      Yes, and as the article states they have what they believe is sufficient burden of proof.
      Apr 28
    • Microsoft Hyad70
      Perhaps...I'm no expert on the subject. But suspect that non-unionized workers walking out on their job could be considered job abandonment. My PoV, don't agree with your company's policies, vote with your feet.
      Apr 28
  • Amazon BwvG24
    What a bunch of snowflakes. Corporations are not democracies. Walk out and don’t come back if you don’t like it.
    Apr 261
    • Apple castigator
      But to be fair the walk out was due to how Google handled sexual harassment of executives. It wasn’t about freedom of speech or any other kind of right.
      May 4
  • Overstock.com laughable
    Wait a minute. Humans still work at Google?
    Apr 232
    • Spotify hsiaiu8181
      Overstock still exists?
      Apr 23
    • Overstock.com laughable
      Spotify finally posted a profit in a broken industry? Go get em.
      Apr 23
  • New zlzg812
    Oh, those people who destroyed the AI ethics council because they didn't want dissenting voices there? Fuck them.
    Apr 231
    • New / Eng
      TechLeed

      NewEng

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      Amazon
      TechLeedmore
      Right? Getting fired for trying to basically force the company to do what you want against the companies interests? Color me shocked that there are consequences!
      Apr 23
  • eBay / EngPayment2.0
    Please get back to work and make my alphabet stock go up.
    Apr 230
  • Airbnb Xfgc
    Good. Those idiots probably cost Google millions of dollars. They should be managed out.
    Apr 232
    • Google / Engdavi5
      That's illegal per US labor law.
      Apr 23
    • Airbnb Xfgc
      Good luck proving it in court against one of the richest companies in the world. These organizers should just take the L and gtfo.
      Apr 23
  • Intel GJrT44
    The two stories seem drastically different - one is that the AI ethics team was being disbanded; hard to imagine they fucked over an entire team that added value to screw one person. The latter seems more probable for retaliation.

    In the end, Google will write a check to them just like they did the sexual harassing executives because that’s the best outcome for shareholders.
    Apr 2317
    • Intel GJrT44
      In your mind, it’s in Google’s interest at this point in time not to settle with these women? What action at this time do you think provides the most value to shareholders? Fighting them in court? You are harsh.
      Apr 24
    • Facebook lkj630
      I'm not talking about the women. I'm talking about paying out the harrassers not being done to make shareholders happy, since shareholders are now sueing Google for it. Because they fell it was financially negligent for the board to have agreed to it.
      Apr 24
    • Facebook lkj630
      And if you want my opinion on whether Google will settle with the organisers. No, I don't think so. I think if there is retaliation it'll be done in a way that is too difficult to prove, and Google will be fine going to court because they know these women can't afford a long trial. Good thing they got rid of that forced arbitration eh?
      Apr 24
    • Intel GJrT44
      Again, you aren’t very good at reading comprehension. I said the best outcome for shareholders at this time was to pay out a settlement to these women. You aren’t very smart if you think otherwise. You are free to add non sequitur comments if you please, but they don’t apply to my original comments.
      Apr 24
    • Facebook lkj630
      Omg. Intel. I was disagreeing with the latter half of your sentence - "just like they did the sexual harassing executives because that's the best outcome for shareholders".
      I agree, it is difficult to comprehend the meaning there, given your poor grammar and lack of punctuation. That aside, at this point I think you're just being purposefully obtuse in not understanding what I'm saying.
      Apr 24
    • Intel GJrT44
      My grammar is correct. Guessing you are a coder? Or just biased where it influences your reading comprehension?
      Apr 24
    • Facebook lkj630
      I'll fix it for you:
      In the end, Google will write a check to them, just like they did for the executives found guilty of sexual harassment. Ultimately, it's the best outcome for shareholders.

      (You left out a word or two. Sexual harassing is a verb [well, not an actual verb, but you're making it one - the correct form is sexually harassing] but you're trying to coerce it into being an adjective - although the whole sentence construction there is clumsy. You're trying to condense a subject verb object string into an adjective object. It's missing commas to show how the last segment of the sentence relates to the previous two items - perhaps this is where our confusion comes from? Even with these commas, the sentence is way too long. And finally, you flip tense between the first and second half of the same sentence).

      Yes, I'm an engineer, but I also know how to speak English. Don't be a cocky shit.
      Apr 24
    • Intel GJrT44
      Both work. Sexual harassing is an adjective in this case and accurate. Commas are optional in this instance and are generally overused compare to the norms of classical literature, at least according to my liberal arts education.
      Apr 25
    • Facebook lkj630
      When including extra information that does not change the meaning of the sentence, you enclose it in a pair of commas (or brackets or hyphens). Read the sentence out loud, without the commas (and therefore pauses), it sounds strange. It's also the reason your sentence is ambiguous (was writing a check to the women and the execs the best outcome? Just the women? Just the execs? Impossible to tell).
      Sexual is not an adverb, it's an adjective. Harassing is a verb, even if the combined phrase is being used as an adjective, you have to correctly pair adverb + verb, not adjective + verb.
      I'm guessing you didn't study linguistics or English grammar during your degree.
      And if you did, you should ask for a refund.
      Apr 25
    • Intel GJrT44
      “Sexual harassing” as a single phrase is an adjective. Agreed it should have been “sexually harassing.”
      Apr 25
  • Microsoft gfba68
    This doesn't meet the legal definition of retaliation because they are not whistleblowers. A whistleblower is one who reports illegal activity, not something they disagree with morally. Activists should expect no legal protection.
    Apr 240
  • Sounds like people trying to get ahead of their poor performance reviews that were likely released today
    Apr 230
  • New / Eng
    TechLeed

    NewEng

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    Amazon
    TechLeedmore
    Maybe now people might understand the corporations play on the emotions of their employees.

    None of these megacorps truly live by what their employees want. You're so insignificant that they can literally replace you with someone gunning for your high paying job
    Apr 230
  • Microsoft / Product
    Brazuka

    MicrosoftProduct

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    Bain & Company
    Brazukamore
    Probably over a dozen people organized that walk out. If this was a retaliation it would affect more than 2 people (and quite frankly one of them the entire org got shut down) + retaliation would've been way more severe.
    Apr 236
    • New / Product
      qGcU18

      NewProduct

      BIO
      Designer, Product, business development, working with innovation teams, design labs. Highly conceptual, communications, motivator and team leader.
      qGcU18more
      Retaliation is clear, it began with the lead organizers.

      Grow some balls. Show loyalty for the organisers. You benefit by their work, they're improving your MFng lives inside the pentagolopoly.
      Apr 24
    • Intel GJrT44
      One conclusion. Another possibility is they are stirring up shit for no reason.
      Apr 24
    • New / Product
      qGcU18

      NewProduct

      BIO
      Designer, Product, business development, working with innovation teams, design labs. Highly conceptual, communications, motivator and team leader.
      qGcU18more
      There's no evidence for that conclusion.
      Apr 24
    • Microsoft / Product
      Brazuka

      MicrosoftProduct

      PRE
      Bain & Company
      Brazukamore
      Correction, there's no evidence for yours
      Apr 24
    • New / Product
      qGcU18

      NewProduct

      BIO
      Designer, Product, business development, working with innovation teams, design labs. Highly conceptual, communications, motivator and team leader.
      qGcU18more
      Correction, there's evidence and their lawyers know it.
      Apr 24
    • Intel GJrT44
      There’s no evidence for either based on reading a news article.
      Apr 24
  • Amazon random_ID
    Love that the “next steps” against the company are during standard business hours...
    Apr 231
    • Google / EngPfjhebs
      We have good work-life balance. 😂
      Apr 23
  • Daimler / Enghighway99
    The protests were for mishandling of sexual harassment. These were high performers. So those who are saying they should leave a company if they don’t like it what do you think should happen when such a situation happens again? Ignore mishandling of sexual harassment? Look the other way? They walked out for 10 minutes. It sounds like a tame protest. If Google wants to help the community, charity begins at home
    Apr 230
  • Wells Fargo / ITaggie
    Good.
    Apr 230
  • Nvidia / Other🌱sprout
    No shit they would retaliate.
    Apr 230
  • Microsoft uhuhu
    It reads to me like she is being retaliated for a shitty roll out of the ai ethics council. That was abysmal - so reassignment is probably fair. Quick tip: if you are involved of two major negative PR cycles in less then 6 months - reassignment is probably your best outcome.
    Apr 240
  • Facebook liam
    Those people would find retaliation even in vacuum.
    Apr 230
  • New NbGd41
    Shocked I tell you !
    Apr 230
  • I’m glad Ethan and Hila are getting involved.
    Apr 230
  • Amazon vhjffhjn
    Does this still make Google the best place to work for?
    Apr 231
  • OceanX Offermore
    What is the walkout about anyway?
    Apr 251
    • Apple castigator
      How Google handled sexual harassment of executives.
      May 4
  • Hubspot fK4C02
    Non-bargained for employees acting as if they’re bargained for. Also “whistleblower” lol fire them, move on.
    Apr 240
  • Bloomberg / Eng
    WPslayer

    BloombergEng

    PRE
    Fidessa
    WPslayermore
    It’s not even ideology. Execs showing who makes decisions.
    Apr 240
  • Amazon / EngMeatCrayon
    F
    Apr 230
  • New / OtherXyzxyzxyz7
    Is this happening to just the US organizers or also ones in other countries?
    Apr 230
  • Spotify hsiaiu8181
    RTFA
    Apr 230

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