Google walkout organizers say they're facing retaliation

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  • Equifax / Eng
    diDP08

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    They were not at all sneaky about retaliation against James Damore
    Apr 22 79
    • Facebook / Eng lkj630
      Wait what Microsoft? Were there multiple people who wrote sexist memos and only his got leaked? What exactly is being cherry picked here? To me, it sounds like he did something dumb and then had to bear the consequences.
      Apr 25
    • Credit Karma EllisDee25
      Lol, did he mark it as “confidential and proprietary”?

      It wasn’t like it was a company document - he sent out a memo, unprompted, and people released it because, for anyone not easily fooled by confirmation bias, it was a stunning work of idiocy and sexist assumptions shoddily dressed up to sound reasonable and “scientific”.

      It’s interesting that supporters of the memo just can’t see why people were upset and keep thinking that quotes were misconstrued or that people didn’t like semantic things about it. Let me be clear, for at least the last couple hundred years, job inequality has ALWAYS been explained-away as “natural”. Slaves are happier as slaves; Jim-Crow era black people are more naturally suited to low-paying manual work; Irish immigrants need to work 12 hours to prevent them from just drinking their lives away; women are nurses because women are only fit for jobs in which they take care of men; women can not be professionals because their womanly humors cause hysteria under stress.

      This is what upset people and why this wasn’t simply a memo about D&I best practices or whatnot. Frankly I think D&I initiatives are weak and superficial (and corporate) ways to address the real issue of systemic job inequalities... but not because of “nature” and differences in brain chemistry (that researchers - unlike the argument in the memo - say has no significant real-world effects.)
      Apr 25
    • Uber kinh
      I love these comments. A bunch of dumb fucks in tech companies who has no expertise in biology, psychology, physiology and social science talk as if they know everything.

      Is this what an anti vaxxer, climate denials forum looks like?
      Apr 25
    • Facebook / Eng lkj630
      But damore, a guy who lied about his qualifications (phd not), is totally qualified to write on the topic of systemic gender differences. And how to handle them.

      Also, not to be that guy (but I'm gonna be that guy), I have a degree in neuroscience.
      Apr 25
    • Yahoo VftD25
      it isn't true that some jobs are more attractive to women than men. it is true that social conditioning exists from day one post birth that groom boy vs girl social construct genders (not scientific male vs female) to gravitate to jobs society deems most appropriate and less taboo for their genders, respectively
      Apr 26
  • Apple / Eng fruitco334
    On the one hand, retaliation against “whistleblowers” is dumb as fuck and also illegal.

    On the other hand... pikachu.jpg
    Apr 22 12
    • Travelport / Eng buttnpushr
      Their best is not enough if their internal policy or the bigwigs suck
      Apr 23
    • Yahoo VftD25
      could the handling of sexual harassment claims be illegal?
      Apr 23
    • Amazon Jеff Bezоs
      “SJWs discover that going against Google makes them less Googly and less employable”. News at 11!
      Apr 23
    • Indeed / Eng animal🦍
      Certain types of retaliation is illegal but this may not fall in that classification
      Apr 23
    • Walmart.com / Product gorp92
      Lol @ the use of SJW 🙄
      Apr 24
  • Google / Project
    toothfairy

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    I don't doubt it for a minute. I've been on the receiving end of that shit myself at Google. They can be and are slick and careful about how the retaliation happens. In such a way that you might even question it yourself. More Corp now than startup, twisted and evil.
    Apr 22 18
    • Amazon / Eng n0v
      "Do Know Evil"
      Apr 24
    • Microsoft wyka
      Like the article says. They'll never pinpoint the act of organizing the walkout. Instead they'll point out flaws in your performance.
      Apr 25
    • Amazon lkjhgfpoi
      Come work for Amazon. Lol
      Apr 25
    • Microsoft CykaBlyat
      Like Amazon is any better.
      Apr 25
    • Travelport / Eng buttnpushr
      I for one kinda like the labor monkey cages
      Apr 25
  • Facebook public2
    So skipping work is bad for your career? Shocking.
    Apr 22 5
    • A lot of people do it every year! It’s called sick days, or vacations, or just plain ol’ holidays.
      Apr 23
    • Microsoft SWsR51
      And this was called open defiance. Prolly not in the handbook.

      Employment is a contract. If you breach it, that’s your problem.
      Apr 24
    • Microsoft wyka
      Skipping work at a place that boasts unlimited vacation is bad for your career.
      Apr 25
    • Facebook public2
      Google doesnt gave have unlimited vacation.
      Apr 25
    • Retaliation for whistleblowing is illegal. Why is everyone defending it? 🙄
      Apr 25
  • Amazon browntown
    Simple as if you won’t work you won’t get paid. These millennial idiots forget they’re at-will employees.

    Have fun sacrificing your paycheck.
    Apr 23 13
    • Google / Eng AOjK47
      It is illegal to discipline workers who participate in a strike regardless of whether they are unionized: https://www.employmentlawinsights.com/2016/01/can-your-non-union-workers-strike-yes-they-can/
      Apr 23
    • Twitch nonezo
      This is literally covered in the 1935 labor relations act.

      Are you guys aware of this law that has been around for almost 100 years, that makes labor organization retaliation illegal?
      Apr 23
    • Flagged by the community.

    • Amazon Agent 007
      I don’t know why that’s news. Amazon managers retaliate and threaten employees on a regular basis.

      They even remind coworkers from India and China that the company can withdraw their visa sponsorship at any given time for any reason.
      Apr 23
    • Google / Eng Pfjhebs
      Lol really?
      Apr 23
  • eBay Yeah Bruh
    Looks like retaliation mirrors the cause - open and blunt against conservatives, sneaky and hypocritical for liberals
    Apr 22 5
    • Microsoft pJcW86
      Walking out is a liberal thing?
      Apr 22
    • eBay Yeah Bruh
      And James Damore was fired for being a writer. Dumbass.
      Apr 22
    • Microsoft pJcW86
      You're the dumbfuck trying to politicize everything.
      Apr 22
    • New / Consultant
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      To be fair, this IS under the politics topic category.
      Apr 23
    • Indeed / Eng animal🦍
      Snortles
      Apr 23
  • Uber Yaka
    At the end of the day, you're just an employee. STFU and get back to work
    Apr 23 9
    • Uber Yol0$
      There is enough people here for a class action. Lawyers love that shit
      Apr 23
    • Twitch nonezo
      This is literally what people are doing. They are taking it to court.
      Apr 23
    • Cruise Automation PYEX13
      You’re not just an employee of the company. You are the company.
      Apr 24
    • Uber Yol0$
      Have you ever been laid off? If so, you will quickly find out that you are not the company
      Apr 24
    • Uber RomanBoss
      Get that ass back to work!
      Apr 25
  • Apple castigator
    Why people are using private companies as their political platforms? You don’t like the company policies? Leave for one you like. You want a socially responsible company? Work for a NGO.

    Corporations are corporations. They don’t give a dime to anything else but revenues. Yes, they can try to be also socially nice, until it doesn’t affect revenues.
    Apr 23 70
    • Facebook / Eng lkj630
      Come on, you can Google this:

      "The right to free speech means that you are allowed to express yourself without interference or constraint by the government".

      Facebook (and Twitter and Google and and) are private companies which clearly define their terms of service for use of their platform. You could argue that the government can't censor you on those platforms. But you literally agree to abide by their tos when you create an account. Stop reading your conspiracy sites and actually do your research.
      No one gets taken down for saying 'I'm a conservative'. They get taken down for saying 'we must cleanse our country of Jews and Muslims', etc. Or, equally, 'all men are trash'.
      I feel like I'm explaining how the internet works here. Seriously.

      https://sarafhawkins.com/how-free-speech-and-social-media-fit-together/

      https://www.freedomforuminstitute.org/about/faq/do-individuals-have-first-amendment-rights-on-others-private-property/

      https://corporate.findlaw.com/law-library/freedom-of-speech-in-the-workplace-the-first-amendment-revisited.html
      May 3
    • New / Product
      qGcU18

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      Your ignorance is ASTOUNDING. Compounded by inaccurate content. You simply don't understand your Constitutional rights. Ignorance of the law is harming you then you're spreading it.
      Do what many scholars have to do these days: get a book printed prior to year 2008. Everything after that date has been intentionally altered to produce ignorance and submission.

      When you don't know your rights, then you don't have them. Tyranny relies on ignorance. Democracy relies on a well informed electorate.
      May 4
    • Facebook / Eng lkj630
      'intentionally altered' - are you for real? Either you're a great troll or you actually may need some psychiatric help because you're not living in the world as the rest of us know it.

      Freedom of speech has only ever applied to government and public spaces. Feel free to provide me with lawsuits, rulings or, well, anything to suggest otherwise.
      And no, I'm not going to buy that there's no record of this because they've all been intentionally altered. Primary sources please.
      May 4
    • Apple castigator
      @FB wGcU18 is a Russian troll. Don’t waste your time.
      May 4
  • Spotify mmmmmn
    Even google got sick of SJWs.
    Apr 23 0
  • Google / Eng Wulperting
    Maybe it’s because a lot of them are the worst people here.
    Apr 23 1
    • Google facetious
      Memegen is a honeypot of all those SJWs these days tbh
      Apr 23
  • Oath / Mgmt Atinlay2
    At a lot of jobs, you try and unionize or do something like this it’s fireable
    Apr 22 7
    • Credit Karma EllisDee25
      The law is that once workers formally announce their attempt to unionize (regardless of any relationship to existing labor unions) it is illegal for companies to fire people for that or intimidate them. But since the government and two parties support business interests, in actual practice companies do these things all the time.
      Apr 23
    • Oath / Mgmt Atinlay2
      Want to bet? That’s what all the paperwork you sign covers.
      Apr 23
    • Microsoft Mac&Jeans
      How does the process of electronegativity help with this problem?
      Apr 23
    • Microsoft Mac&Jeans
      Years ago, a group of Microsoft employees (and vendors) tried to form a union. They launched a target stealth mode attack on those employees. The vendors didn’t get a contract renewal and the FTE group was disbanded since a bunch of them came from the same team and had a lot of ‘interaction time’ everyday.
      Apr 23
    • Credit Karma EllisDee25
      Right, companies do it - they just find a pretext and even if they don’t they just get a fine or injunction after the damage is done.

      Atinlay, the paperwork can say whatever - they probably wouldn’t put something blatantly illegal in there, but I’m sure a lot of it is ambivalent of actual law and written to intimidate employees - it would be on the employee to try and sue. And the company would then just settle anyway.

      But at any rate it’s the law even if it’s only enforced if unions or groups of workers fight to make it actually be enforced.
      Apr 23
  • Salesforce trololool
    Never realized Blind was swarming with bootlickers
    Apr 23 1
    • Oath / Mgmt Atinlay2
      And window lickers!
      Apr 23
  • Microsoft megamanX
    Get woke go broke
    Apr 23 0
  • Airbnb doot
    Look at all of the privileged snots here. None of you think about the bullshit until it hits your team.
    Apr 23 1
  • Nordstrom Nepotism
    Maybe try spending your work time on work. These people created Twitter accounts, spent all day bring activists. Do your job. Campaign on your own time.
    Apr 23 0
  • New cTqz82
    Honestly google would be dumb as fuck not to do so. A lot of these activist type assholes have somehow ended up in google and they have been pissing all over.

    Google does not have asex dungeon where all interns have to reside. Google remains one of the safest workplace on earth and follows all best practices. Picking up isolated incidents and using them to pass activist process is a surest way to put the company in death spiral.
    Apr 23 6
    • Isn't that how these things always go?
      Apr 23
    • New cTqz82
      Yup that is how it works. They should not have hired people with liberal arts degrees first.
      Apr 23
    • Facebook / Eng lkj630
      The issue is not that the sexual harassment happened. The issue is that these execs got paid and allowed to leave on their own terms.
      That has nothing to do with workplace safety, and given the repeated nature, doesn't seem all that isolated.
      Way to miss the point 👍
      Apr 23
    • New / Eng
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      Let's take the moral high ground from a Facebook engineer.
      Apr 24
    • Facebook / Eng lkj630
      Techleed, who my employer is doesn't make you any less wrong 👍
      Apr 24
  • Uber RomanBoss
    I blame the modern university system for teaching these dumb kids that everything they don’t agree with needs to be protested with outrage and a walkout. People are so soft these days, do they seriously expect to get paid for organizing employees to not work?
    Apr 25 7
    • Apple castigator
      Unions is for the rights of the workers, not for contracts with customers we don’t like.
      Apr 25
    • Microsoft pfffftttt
      The workers already have rights. This is organizing to change policy they don’t agree with.

      The law already protects the worker from harm in just about every conceivable way. Does that mean bad things don’t occur? Of course not. The law is still there, however.
      Apr 25
    • Microsoft gfba68
      Are you stupid? People have been protesting for thousands of years about things they don't agree with.
      Apr 25
    • Hubspot fK4C02
      But let’s be clear. They are not now in a union or formed one so they are at will. You don’t get to act like you’re in a union and claim protections you don’t have.
      Apr 26
    • Microsoft gfba68
      You don't have to be in a union for the law to apply to you. Union membership is irrelevant
      Apr 26
  • Microsoft TonyM
    I’ve worked for a couple companies I didn’t like. I quit and went to work somewhere else. It never occurred to me to protest the company
    Apr 23 7
    • New / Eng
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      YOUR RIGHTS END WHERE MY FEELINGS BEGIN
      Apr 23
    • Microsoft bwaaaahhh
      Conversely, your feelings end where my rights begin?
      Apr 23
    • New / Eng
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      I don't believe the way it's phrased is transitive
      Apr 23
    • Microsoft pfffftttt
      So the end isn’t a beginning? I’m confused. If there is no demarcation, wouldn’t that suggest I have no rights?
      Apr 23
    • New / Eng
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      Correct, that's how I feel these protesters feel deep inside is that the rights of another are stomped when they feel attacked or wronged.
      Apr 23
  • Microsoft oanfien
    What part of this article speaks to alleged retaliation? Tech "journalists" are agenda-pushing garbage
    Apr 23 4
    • New / Eng
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      Gotta create that outrage for clicks.
      Apr 23
    • New / Other Xyzxyzxyz7
      You’re both wrong. If you read the second woman’s post she talks about how she feels her demotion was retaliation. I doubt journalists were pushing an agenda. They were just quoting from the letters and the company had an opportunity to respond.
      Apr 23
    • New / Eng
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      I was more making a comment about how much clickbait exists not the substance of the argument
      Apr 23
    • Google / Eng Pfjhebs
      While usually true, in this case, this memo was "marketed" as retaliation in the original doc and in internal boards. Not fault of the wired author.
      Apr 23
  • Tesla laodidhd
    Don’t shit where you eat
    Apr 23 3
    • LimeBike limeyeet
      Don't bite the hand that feeds you, either.
      Apr 23
    • Nebbiolo Technologies / IT
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      Never understood that one. So am I supposed to go to McDonalds to shit in the morning.
      Apr 23
    • New / Mgmt
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      Or just don't shit in the kitchen... or the living room.. or your bedroom... or..... or ... etc.
      Apr 23