Googler who penned manifesto fired

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  • New / Eng kMBi76
    He wasn't wrong... ridiculous for Google to fire someone for reasonably expressing his views
    Aug 7, 2017 36
    • WRKSHP / Eng 999
      It's usually a 9-6 job unless you work at a startup or as a site reliability engineer, right?
      Aug 8, 2017
    • Accenture / Other
      obamacare

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      My friend who is an anesthesiologist pulls 36 hour shifts at the hospital.

      Unless you're in a startup gambling most developers in mid to large sized companies outside of tech work 9-5
      Aug 8, 2017
    • Amazon TW3146
      #AmazonProblems I guess 😂
      Aug 8, 2017
    • WRKSHP / Eng 999
      Mine is usually 9-6 but I need to be on call one weekend a month or thereabouts
      Aug 8, 2017
    • Microsoft mdrchd
      Right or Wrong, who cares. Google reserves the right to fire anyone.
      Aug 9, 2017
  • Salesforce wLSv86
    This thread clearly shows how many Trumpers are lurking everywhere. Under the veil of anonymity, (blind app or voting booth) people's true colors are shown. Fucked up.

    Maybe Silicon Valley employees are getting tired of receiving their fat paychecks at the pricey cost of creating a more inclusive, equal society.

    This guy who felt it necessary to tell all his coworkers that women are biologically inferior in tech (while working in tech) for no reason other than to challenge the status quo is not bringing any new viewpoints to the table. He's simply bringing people down and his opinions do no good other than to make people feel bad. What's the point of that?
    Aug 7, 2017 16
    • Salesforce
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      Discrimination in your slang! Time for you to read the document again and start saying "father fucking"!!
      Aug 8, 2017
    • Amazon / Eng
      mUqi08

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      25% of the vote even in SV, yup Trump supporters are lurking.
      Aug 8, 2017
    • Microsoft Dr Watson
      Hate Trump, voted Bernie, hate this response against the Google guy even more. Don't want to associate with these dishonest fascists.
      Aug 8, 2017
    • Microsoft SOD
      Aug 8, 2017
    • New / Other
      OCne35

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      People like you are the reason why companies feel comfortable firing people simply because they express non far-left opinions.

      Maybe people should be hired and kept on not because of the color of their skin, their mental illnesses, nor their niche identities. Maybe hiring and promotion should be based on merit. A wild theory, I know.

      Also sweetie, the election is over. You can get over it any day now.
      Aug 8, 2017
  • Lyft fear-me
    Are people forgetting that this guy's opinion which he freely shared with the entire company is that women have differences in gender that make them unable to be as good at engineering as men?! Do you know how bad that is? He claimed at least a third of his engineering coworkers aren't as qualified to do their jobs. That is the definition of creating and unsafe and hostile work environment. How can his female coworkers trust his judgement on their peer reviews? How can female candidates expect to be judged fairly if he interviews them? The answer is they can't. If you can't be a part of the employee ecosystem, you have to go. Differences of politics is one thing, but codes of conduct exist for a reason.
    Aug 7, 2017 13
    • Microsoft Dr Watson
      People aren't "forgetting", you made that up.
      Aug 8, 2017
    • Uber dbag
      Classic woke Lyft trying to be the better boyfriend
      Aug 8, 2017
    • Amazon TW3146
      @fear-me you realize those aren't the memo author's actual opinions, but a strawman that Zunger built up in a blog post so he can publicly virtue signal by tearing it down, right?

      Kind of disappointing how many supposedly intelligent people read that complete misrepresentation of a post, believe it wholeheartedly, and repeat it word for word.
      Aug 8, 2017
    • New / Other
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      You're a moron, Morty
      Aug 8, 2017
    • BlackBerry FuckJerks
      Saying that he created an unsafe and hostile work space is a stretch. If women coworkers feel they can't trust his judgement because of his bias then they should remove him from those peer reviews or candidate interview loops. The firing was harsh and expected given that they found him in violation of the code of conduct
      Aug 8, 2017
  • Splunk tSJF67
    This guys deserves to get fired and probably will never get hired in tech. However, I am sure he has some nice job waiting for him at Breitbarb news or the Trump administration.

    It seems that many white dudes are feeling upset about loosing some of their male and race privilege in a very fast evolving country. The issue of America's identity is front and center of this issue and reflective of our national politics.

    As a white male, my advice to other white men who think along the same lines

    - you can not force your warped opinion on 50% of the population. If you feel the need to debate an offensive opinion, the workplace is definitely not the right place.

    - realize that our historical actions of denying women vote, treating them like cattle, making them sex objects, etc are ours to own and we need to do a lot to fix this. If you have daughters, you will understand this better than most.

    - race: are ancestors are directly responsible for killing, enslaving, disenfranchising, and now demonizing entire communities of color (American Indians and African Americans). We have an awful and shameful history around this and something we still haven't acknowledged and apologized for. Time to figure out what is our role to pay for the sins of our fore fathers (it is just a matter of time when someone pens an article questioning the biological abilities of some race and making the case of some other race's natural superiority)

    White people, I think some of us have truly lost our mind. Travel the world, leave your all inclusive resorts, and see the poverty and difficult circumstances that most of the world lives in. We have it incredibly well in the United States.

    Let's stop whining, acknowledge our privilege, and be good citizens of the world. Privilege is not bad. Just something we need to be cognizant of. It helps us better understand issues facing others who may be less privileged.
    Aug 7, 2017 46
    • Uber mymonie
      Another fucking opinion. Oh God...
      Aug 8, 2017
    • Google / Eng
      vhja41

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      Poorly written, but you are with it since you said nothing about why men and women are absolutely equal?
      Aug 8, 2017
    • Microsoft / Eng ric_ta
      I think debating this on Blind has changed many people's minds... Not!
      Aug 8, 2017
    • Uber mymonie
      Well debating this in other media could be harmful, no?
      Aug 8, 2017
    • Microsoft trenches
      Took a day off and you fuckers are still debating this.

      What do y'all think about North Korea 🇰🇵 threatening to nuke Guam?
      Aug 8, 2017
  • Flagged by the community.

    • VMware JHobbiton
      criticising wasn't the issue. publishing it was
      Aug 8, 2017
    • Amazon rbfG56
      The guy who "published" it wasn't the one who shared it beyond Google, as far as I know. Once it got out, it unsurprisingly looked bad for Google, and the company was forced to do something about it because our culture gives a lot of attention to outrage and seems to reward attempts to show moral superiority.

      However, the more respectable response would've been for Google to clarify that these were one employee's opinions and that they don't represent the company, but that Google employees are encouraged to hold diverse opinions and discuss them with their co-workers. They could have then clarified their position on the issues touched on by the memo, which would've had a much better chance of changing minds than firing him does.
      Aug 8, 2017
    • Microsoft / Sales
      Lvngdadrm

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      A missed opportunity for an open discussion, but who are we kidding we are dealing on a topic where an attempt to debate is met with accusations of bigotry and hate.
      Aug 9, 2017
    • Microsoft / Eng ric_ta
      Political correctness is creating more Trumps
      Aug 9, 2017
    • Microsoft / Sales
      Lvngdadrm

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      Actually trump deranged syndrome creating more left wing fascists
      Aug 10, 2017
  • New AtMN03
    He addressed male vs female in his manifesto. I'm definitely not buying into all of what was written, but playing devil's advocate... How is the lack of women in the tech industry different than the lack of men in the nursing, HR, or graphics design (and other design) industries? Are there diversity programs to get more men into those jobs? If not, why?
    Aug 7, 2017 20
    • Microsoft other
      nothing wrong with lobbying to get more of someone in a group.... "fighting" for it with discrimination to make up for the fact that your pet identity doesn't want to be there in the same numbers, is just silly. fighting for equal opportunity is important, fighting for equal outcomes is stupid.
      Aug 8, 2017
    • Amazon IrKK22
      Agreed
      Aug 8, 2017
    • New ldHI34
      Why do we have to "lobby"? Why do we have to get the government involved!? Don't you think having government involved with the institution of marriage was a terrible idea? How has government solved any social issue?
      Aug 8, 2017
    • Microsoft other
      uh... lobbying doesn't only mean government lobbying... i thiink you need to check the definition. and yes, the only thing government is actually good at is violence.
      Aug 8, 2017
    • Amazon IrKK22
      And customer service
      Aug 8, 2017
  • Facebook / Eng AwGK74
    How many of you people actually read the whole manifesto? Id like to hear any rebuttal to any of his core points... and I'm not looking for shit slinging, I want thought out responses that address his concerns.
    Aug 7, 2017 20
    • Amazon Prho04
      the memo did not cite this. I'm aware of the difference, but it does not established that such difference is link to performance as an engineer.
      Aug 8, 2017
    • Amazon Prho04
      even if u established a correlation, u need to prove causation.
      Aug 8, 2017
    • Google / Eng 😳😶😳😂3
      ^ why don't you ask for similar proof for the opposite false ideology that everyone is exactly equal?!? huh? What's the justification for having women only leadership honing classes? Where's the proof? Establish causation please
      Aug 8, 2017
    • Amazon Prho04
      did I say everyone is equal?
      Aug 8, 2017
    • Amazon TW3146
      @Prho04 here is the version with the links intact http://diversitymemo.com
      Aug 8, 2017
  • Airbnb
    eye

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    It's amazing (and sad) to see how racism, sexism and conscious bias flows when you can hide behind anonymity. This "bravery" and self-righteousness disappears when you are no longer a handle on Blind.
    Aug 7, 2017 10
    • Amazon GoogleNazi
      mUqi08, if your views are conventionally liberal ones, I guarantee that Amazon is a very safe place for you to share them. Not so for others. I think you may be paranoid and should maybe consider medication.
      Aug 7, 2017
    • FastSpring / Eng
      RickS_C137

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      ^ ha at Amazon every day was any time feedback backstabbing day till they removed that button. I wouldn't be surprised if Jeff is forced to add a new one for diversity/inclusivity.
      Aug 7, 2017
    • New / Other
      OCne35

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      Translation: I'm okay with actual bigotry being company policy, but I am sad that everyone with different opinions than my own aren't terminated from their place of employment (or worse).
      Aug 8, 2017
    • Glassdoor hqJU66
      mUqi08 The guy who wrote this has a phd in structural biology from Harvard. He was not stupid, just lacked awareness in his surroundings.
      Aug 8, 2017
    • Microsoft / Eng ric_ta
      No this guy was a martyr
      Aug 8, 2017
  • Microsoft ExFactor
    Very sad. Guy was wrong but should not have been fired.
    Aug 7, 2017 14
    • Microsoft Shinjix17
      He for sure deserved it. After reading parts of that document it felt like a big WTF? As far as I know I don't use my penis to perform my job so I don't see why "biologically" women wouldn't be able to do the same work as me...
      Aug 7, 2017
    • Uber 0TT0
      I don't agree with what he said but he shouldn't be fired, now no one would ever try to express their opinion at Google and that's very dangerous.
      Google wants to claim they're an open company, so let him speak, you don't have to agree with him, you can even mock his opinion, it's your right, but let employees express their opinions internally without fear of repercussions... if anyone hurt the company's reputation that's the leakers
      Aug 7, 2017
    • Google bupkis
      I'm not shedding any treats for him because I'm guessing he got a confidential sweetheart deal on the way out in exchange for not making a fuss.
      Aug 7, 2017
    • Microsoft Shinjix17
      The problem is that many employees expressed their disgust over the document. Some even expressed quitting unless HR took action. So you let him stay at the risk of having a lot of employees feeling disgusted by his actions? He knew what he was doing and the consequences it would carry. He just didn't give a fuck. Now he got fired and he deserved it. If he wanted to express an opinion he could've done it in a better way instead of writing a document saying that "biologically" women shouldn't be hired because they can't perform the work.
      Aug 7, 2017
    • Microsoft Shinjix17
      @bupkis He is making a deal. Some news outlets mentioned he expressed it was unfair and he plans to sue Google.
      Aug 7, 2017
  • Amazon / Eng whatthefu
    WHAT

    This is so trash. Why are people calling it a "manifesto", and that it was "anti-diversity" , that's the most absurd shit I've seen all year.

    People are demonizing an intelligent and what seemed to be a thoughtful and psychologically well-calibrated individual because he doesn't agree with them? What the fuck are people smoking? The dude's hypotheses make way more sense than the currently accepted theories
    Aug 7, 2017 6
    • Microsoft ExFactor
      ^ this would also suggest it's not male chauvanism or broken interview practices.

      Can you share data?
      Aug 7, 2017
    • Crew jokes12
      Because no one things it was thoughtful and no believes him to be well calibrated he seems like a moron
      Aug 7, 2017
    • Uber GMie27
      Who told you Asian women are overrepresented? You need psychotherapy instead of obamacare.
      Aug 7, 2017
    • New SVArea
      Some data on women in tech abroad. A drastic drop in the trajectory in the US. Definitely something cultural, probably not biological.
      Aug 7, 2017
    • New SVArea
      Aug 7, 2017
  • Microsoft J0lyr0ger
    Most intelligent people completely agree with him, political correctness and race and gender quotas need to go. America is a meritocracy, not a communist utopia.
    Aug 7, 2017 13
    • JUVE Creative / Design
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      Thing is his logic wasn't bogus. He was staying stuff that while not fitting the narrative is very sound thinking such as offering alternatives to bridge the diversity problem.

      Half the people I know shouting him down though offer little to no reasonable response or worse haven't even read it.

      Like the thoughts above are just "fuck this guy" well Assholes did you actually read it?
      Aug 8, 2017
    • Apple / Other
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      lol i read the part where he went into race science and IQ in 2017
      Aug 8, 2017
    • Amazon / Eng
      mUqi08

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      no, most intelligent people wouldn't (prive me wrong just like you prove your own statement)

      and yes I read the whole thing. it is nothing more than his own opinion about what he considered to be studies and results, and his own view on what is worth opening to everyone and what is not worth training, how people on the left believe and how people on the right believe, how Google is unfair and how women like visual more than men and how women are not motivated and men, etc etc.

      this paper will get at most a B in college classes in writing style but not contents accuracy. it is not convincing to most people with any managerial experience.
      Aug 8, 2017
    • Spotify / Product CJwB50
      He wrote a poorly worded, hugely distracting document that went into totally unnecessary tangents and put himself on a path that isolated himself from many of his very intelligent peers. Especially his intelligent and capable women peers.

      His firing was appropriate and expected.
      Aug 8, 2017
    • Amazon Lailai
      Meritocracy my behind. Yet again a white male coder who failed 3 out of 3 objective coding tests in my interview loop because a somewhat senior (he is below my level) white male vouch for him with a strong hire and claimed he was nervous. I have been interviewing in tons of interview loops. Every time a strong hire was pulled to compensate for white male coder failing all objective tests, it had been 100% a white male vouching for another white male. Number of samples of anyone vouched for a POC woman with strong hire despite poor coding tests? 0. Also I hire for my company at MIT every year where we have an objective online coding tests for interns. Every year the female pass rate was near 100% and the male pass rate was near 50%. So how about them data?
      Aug 8, 2017
  • Pinterest eq0761
    I can't understand how intelligent, educated people think there is no fundamental difference between the sexes. Genetically we are wired to be different, and for good evolutionary reasons. The differences are known in some cases and largely unexplored in others, and of course, we can't ignore the fact that they have been somewhat codified in a historically patriarchal culture.

    That said, if women are necessarily motivated out of a different sets of variables, those should be fairly recognized. As much as the same is true of men. No sex deserves a default privileged position. Nor should a sex be denied an inherent strength or weakness. Each person, individually, should be accounted for by their own strengths and weaknesses without prejudice for sex, race, philosophy or creed.

    This mans firing was a result of intolerance and a unwillingness to be open minded in the face of dissent. Fuck google.
    Aug 7, 2017 13
    • Amazon / Eng
      mUqi08

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      another point, it is like saying John got an A in high school math so we should hire him instead of Jane who got a B 13 years ago, rather than telling them to interview.
      Aug 8, 2017
    • Microsoft chownus
      Because doing the compassionate thing is usually the right thing for society and the most obvious to intellectuals. But now we've hit a point where the intellectually compassionate are being taken advantage of and forced into an ideological battle of reparations. People are being forced into a corner where any criticism or question gets you labeled as alt right.

      More diversity is the goal but with no clear definitions other than no white males, or in tech no Asians... I'm all for equal pay for the same job and equal opportunity, but passing up quality candidates because they won't get your diversity quota is no where near to equality.
      Aug 8, 2017
    • Yahoo jzcy26
      it's not about passing up quality candidates. it's about understanding if the reasons a person uses to pass up candidates are valid or if they are based upon learned, explicit or implicit biases.
      Aug 8, 2017
    • Google / Eng
      npva63

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      Read Sundar's email. He wasn't fired because of his argument (he even said that some of it is worth debating). He was fired for presenting sexist stereotypes as facts to support his argument.
      Aug 8, 2017
    • Google / Eng
      npva63

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      As an example, I believe that Trump supporters lack rational thought and therefore are not suited to work as engineers. I'm not going to say that at work or write a doc about it. If I do, I expect to be fired for it.
      Aug 8, 2017
  • New / Other
    dcxb85

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    He has some solid points

    - a woman in tech
    Aug 7, 2017 12
    • Cisco / Eng bored_cat
      He sure does. he could have shared it anonymously on medium or Reddit to start a discussion. the manner in which he shared his views is asking to be fired. Companies are at will employers. As a for profit company they cannot risk a hostile work environment. I think Google did the right thing. -- another woman in tech
      Aug 7, 2017
    • Microsoft trenches
      He actually had a lot of sources - they were not added to the Gizmodo, Motherboard or Recode articles of course:

      https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3914586-Googles-Ideological-Echo-Chamber.html
      Aug 7, 2017
    • Google / Eng
      vhja41

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      Such as people vs things.
      Aug 8, 2017
    • Amazon / Other Jef Bezos
      Valid point like you cannot attribute all of the wage/gentler disparity to discrimination and sexism. There are other factors contributing to it as well.

      Companies should not limited certain training/program only to underrepresented groups.

      Different opinions should not be silenced.
      Aug 8, 2017
    • New / Other
      dcxb85

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      Non-feminist woman has an opinion.

      Feminist women react: BURN HER AT THE STAKE

      thanks ladies real classy
      Aug 9, 2017
  • Microsoft Leetcoder
    Yes. Fuck that dude.
    Aug 7, 2017 6
    • Amazon / Product
      Ken M

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      I don't care what his opinion was but biting the hand that feeds you is never a good idea.
      Aug 7, 2017
    • Google 🥑s
      Neither is it a good idea for workers to cheer management firing a worker for flimsy cause.
      Aug 7, 2017
    • Microsoft DaAX46
      It's not a flimsy cause. Embarrassing your company publicly is 100% cause to be fired, especially if the incident occurs while you're in your capacity as an employee.
      Aug 7, 2017
    • Google Umwe11
      technically, he did not embarrass the company "publicly", those who took the document to Twitter did
      Aug 7, 2017
    • Facebook / Eng OpMk16
      DaAX46 Satya nadela gave some controversial comment on Grace Hopper conference 3 years back which created unrest between the female employees. But just because he was CEO here got a chance to clarify (read it change) his stance.
      Aug 8, 2017
  • Uber / Eng wRiQ48
    A company where you can no longer have an opinion. Fuck Google.
    Aug 7, 2017 7
    • Pinterest hodoooooor
      Uber you are liar. Fuck you
      Aug 7, 2017
    • Uber / Eng wRiQ48
      And you're a bitch.
      Aug 7, 2017
    • Amazon / Eng
      mUqi08

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      try saying the same thing in any public company, and see what happens. hint: you will also get fired.
      Aug 7, 2017
    • I love the irony of people trolling each other on this thread... "I know where you work and you're stupid". Stereotyping at its finest.
      Aug 8, 2017
    • Uber Laquisha
      Lmao
      Aug 8, 2017
  • New LGIg86
    I mean, it's true that many Western, white women choose non-tech careers. For all I know, there could be some biology involved but the high rates of women in STEM in other countries suggest that it's more of a cultural issue. And reading many of the comments here.....small wonder. Who wants to deal with this crap, where so many people in your industry don't think you belong? Only people who really love what they do and are good at it.

    Listen, as a female engineer, men and women can be good engineers. We share many of the same strengths. We share many of the same weaknesses. Sometimes they follow a trend. I've noticed that the areas where I struggle are areas where my male colleagues excel, and some of the places where they struggle are areas in which I excel. To deliver a quality product, you need to cover your bases. You need both. You need to diversify.

    So it's totally fine to point out trends and note that there are general differences between men and women. It's not fine to insinuate that these difference mean that an entire gender is unfit for the job.

    Of course Google fired him. In addition to the PR disaster, they had to let their female engineers know that they ARE valued, and that they DO want them to stay and that they DO have skills and perspectives that make the company stronger.
    Aug 7, 2017 15
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    • Amazon / Mgmt IkUW56
      I miss the good old days, when white men had all of the power, and not just most of it.
      Aug 7, 2017
    • Microsoft macheté
      🙌🏾
      Aug 7, 2017
    • Microsoft DaAX46
      Lol PROVEN! BY YOUR OWN LOGIC!
      Aug 7, 2017
    • Microsoft PnTr04
      1000 likes!!!
      Aug 7, 2017
    • Amazon / Mgmt IkUW56
      You're right. One white guy represents all white guys. I better not voice any sort of opinion ever. Life is tough. 😭
      Aug 7, 2017
  • Microsoft / Eng ric_ta
    He had a right to say what he did. And half of his peers at Google agreed. https://twitter.com/sonyaellenmann/status/894756561087746049
    Aug 7, 2017 4
    • Microsoft Leetcoder
      Hal the people are closet racists and sexists. The key is not to keep it in the closet and not to get it to work 🤷🏽‍♂️
      Aug 7, 2017
    • Pivotal / Eng
      IWantATaco

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      Oh god, this is Facebook circa 2005 all over again... without the cool kids.
      IWantATacomore
      Yeah, because that poll is toooootally representative.

      He has a right to say what he did and Google has a right to fire him. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
      Aug 7, 2017
    • Twitch / Design whoathere
      Why even post that?
      Aug 7, 2017
    • VMware hiker
      hahaha! 278 respondents corresponds to half of his peers at Google? you must have a master's in math :)
      Aug 7, 2017
  • Amazon Starik
    why are people happy about it? if it was the opposite - a conservative Company firing an employee for let's say sharing a manifesto on gender fluidity or how the company sucks because it doesn't have a balanced gender ratio, how would you react? this guy has some unsavory views. unless it can be demonstrated that those views are affecting his job or his attitude towards his co-workers, I don't see why he ought to be fired. disagreements should not be grounds for dismissal
    PS: I am a liberal and I don't agree with him.
    Aug 7, 2017 10
    • Amazon / Eng
      mUqi08

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      I am not happy that he is fired, just that he is putting his employer in a no win situations d PR crisis, and he has to go instead of going through some training.
      Aug 8, 2017
    • It's ableist at worst
      Aug 8, 2017
    • Lyft qRrM26
      i like this comment because i can relate, but i don't really agree.

      i worked for a conservative tech company in Utah. if i made a manifesto with my views on sexuality and religion, i may have been fired. if they didnt fire me, i would continue to defend my opinions.

      i think googles action is generous to the people who are sick of hearing this viewpoint. the company just defended them.

      i would rather see a solution where this one person could learn without being fired, but i don't see how that'd be better for the people google is defending.

      im happy to see the🔥
      Aug 8, 2017
    • Uber KMnY50
      He had to be fired, if only because it's no longer possible to have him work with women engineers.
      Aug 8, 2017
    • New QYlG72
      You obviously have never run a company before.
      Aug 8, 2017
  • New / Mktg
    jDaC21

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    Coming from Europe, I can relate to the issue of women having a harder time to become senior executives in all sorts of large companies.

    However, what is still a little beyond me is why it seems tech companies need to address a problem at the very end of the funnel (lack of female computer science engineers)? It doesn't seem to be the core problem that women have a hard time getting an engineering job, but much rather that there's a lack of female software engineers. Or am I seeing things wrong here?

    Do we have so fewer women in tech because of discrimination, harassment or unequal pay? Or could it possibly be that women just aren’t as interested in technology-related work as men are? I think gender biased (childhood) education plays a role here, but apparently when it comes to life sciences there appears to be less of a gap. Is it ludicrous to think that it might be just choice ? I seriously doubt we'll ever see parity in all professions (think police, nursing, teaching, etc) and most importantly do we have to? Does it really mean there's injustice going on because we see less women in tech?
    Aug 8, 2017 7
    • IBM ⛰️
      Citation needed ☝️
      Aug 8, 2017
    • Amazon / Eng
      mUqi08

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      it is the American culture. immigrant and visa women engineers perform very well if not better than men in the same team. American born women seem to be discouraged and biased like the author said.
      Aug 8, 2017
    • Amazon TW3146
      Or, women from poorer countries prioritize a high paying job whereas women in rich western countries have the leisure to pursue their interests. It's a well studied trend that the more freedom a population has to pursue their interests, the more sex differences emerge.

      http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0153857
      Aug 8, 2017
    • New / Mktg
      jDaC21

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      Gadget guy Silicon Valley
      jDaC21more
      I think we can generally see that children in developing or more traditional countries are being encouraged to become doctors, lawyers or engineers over artists. With so many migrants in silicon Valley I wouldn't be surprised if you are more likely to see an Indian or Chinese female engineer.

      Anyways, in western countries, it seems that the majority has become more inclined towards studying and working on the things that we are passionate about not what necessarily pays the most.
      Aug 8, 2017
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      binarycafe

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      binarycafemore
      it starts from birth, women are steered toward "feminine pursuits". it is widespread psychological warfare from day 1
      Aug 8, 2017