Green card >> Citizenship

Google / Mktg QuadLovin
Aug 22, 2018 23 Comments

Many of my European friends are holding off on citizenship and are quite content with a green card. Would you delay or skip US citizenship considering the current environment?

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  • Microsoft ABoT
    It’s silly to skip it unless it has implications for you in your country of origin. The only downside of citizenship is the tax implications but that’s the same for green card holders as well. So by skipping citizenship, you get all the downside and none of the upside.
    Aug 22, 2018 11
    • Microsoft ABoT
      Same applies to green card holders, look it up. In the eyes of the IRS, green card holders and citizens are the same. In the eyes of immigration though, they are different. So by skipping citizenship, you get the downside of IRS without the upside of immigration complications and legal rights of citizens.
      Aug 22, 2018
    • IBM edall
      Nope... They are the same in the United States, not as a non US citizen living in your home country. Rules do NOT apply in your home country unless you’re a US citizen. That’s the trick. Also, if I decide to go back to my country I can simply cancel my GC via a simple form, or spend more than 6 months outside if the US for them to automatically cancel my GC. After that, I’m done with the US. That’s the main difference with regards to taxes ;)
      Aug 22, 2018
    • Google / Eng
      sergey

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      You might have a surprise if you decide to leave the US after being a GC holder for more than 8 of the previous 15 years.
      Aug 22, 2018
    • Amazon / Eng RNBv18
      @edtail: you're a US person now. Good luck lying to the IRS. Lots of countries share tax/bank data with the IRS nowadays
      Aug 22, 2018
    • Microsoft ABoT
      @edall, sergey and RNB are right. If you’ve been a green card holder long enough, quitting isn’t as simple as you think. It will trigger a very expensive tax event. Look it up: https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertwood/2017/05/08/reverse-immigration-how-irs-taxes-giving-up-green-cards/
      Aug 22, 2018
    • IBM edall
      Lying about what? Not sure I understand what you’re saying.. You owe taxes when you either sale an asset or earn an income. If I plan on doing so in the future, outside of the US, I’ll make sure to cancel my GC BEFORE. You don’t owe taxes just by typing the term IRS... people need to relax ;)
      Aug 22, 2018
    • Microsoft ABoT
      You owe taxes when you give up your GC! Read the Forbes article above or search online to educate yourself.
      Aug 22, 2018
    • IBM edall
      Gosh... people please don’t be dumb. Question for you then, you owe taxes on WHAT when you give up your GC??? You do owe taxes on the assets that you sold AND/OR the income you made during the current fiscal year. Dude, I’m talking buying/selling houses in my home country and finding a job their - A.F.T.E.R - I give up my GC, not B.E.F.O.R.E I give up my GC. If you had to pay taxes on things you will buy in 20 years from now, life would be pretty miserable. Do you get it now? We’re talking basic tax principles here... you owe taxes on all the crap you did during the previous fiscal year. Of course...
      Aug 22, 2018
    • Microsoft ABoT
      There is an exit tax if you give up your GC. The Exit Tax is computed as if you sold all your assets on the day before you expatriated, and had to report the gain. Basically, you owe taxes on all the assets you own, as if you’d sold it all. Read the article! At this point, I can’t tell if you are trolling or plain stupid. So I won’t reply anymore. Read the article to educate yourself.
      Aug 22, 2018
    • IBM edall
      Put your dumb article aside for a sec and listen because your off topic period. You said it yourself “you owe taxes on all the assets you own, as if you’d sold it all when you give up your GC”. Let me keep it stupid simple for you, here is my timeline:

      1. Don’t own anything while on a GC in the US. Save money on a bank account. DO NOT apply for citizenship (original topic)

      2. Give up GC

      3. Move back to home land

      4. Spend your cash in buying assets and find a job (get an income)

      5. Flip those assets

      When the hell is the IRS coming in the picture here to collect taxes when I’m back in my home country playing with my money? Never dude... why? cause i’m not a US citizen. Dah! Don’t apply for a US citizenship if that’s what you’re planning to do in the future. Otherwise there is no escape wherever you go in the world they’ll suck the crap out of you. The GC brings you that benefit of choosing where you want to spend the rest of your life post US experience without thinking about complicated tax problems. End of the story
      Aug 22, 2018
  • Amazon / Eng ( {👅} )
    Greencard is ok only if your skin color is white under the Trump administration. Otherwise, gotta secure your citizenship to avoid being deported. #maga #🍊#whitesupremacistsarefinepeople
    Aug 22, 2018 1
    • Amazon krait8960
      Nope. Trump will strip you of citizenship and deport you. Better to go home and make your own country great again.
      Aug 22, 2018
  • Nielsen / Eng
    ReferMePls

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    ReferMePlsmore
    Why would you skip it? Aren't you at risk of a bunch of issues when you're not a citizen?
    Aug 22, 2018 1
    • Pinterest UhmWho?
      Not with a green card
      Aug 22, 2018
  • Microsoft Observable
    Also, if you are coming from a country that has a less powerful passport to get into other countries, getting a U.S. citizenship means more flexibility for travelling.
    Aug 22, 2018 0
  • Google 𓁻⅃𓁻
    GC holders have to deal with residency requirements so if you plan to split your time between the States and elsewhere it may get annoying.
    Aug 22, 2018 0
  • Uber Florham
    Not eyeing US citizenship. My passport is more powerful than US and gives me more visa free entries, and my country doesn’t allow dual citizenship, which hinders my capability to invest and buy properties back home
    Aug 24, 2018 0
  • Apple Aargh
    One downside of the citizenship is jury duty. The upside that wasn’t mentioned before is:you might lose your GC if you ever bring your legalized marijuana in the state where it is not yet legal. Citizens won’t get deported.
    Aug 23, 2018 0
  • New / IT loulou
    My country allows dual citizenship so i have no reason to skip it. The current administration doesn’t matter in this decision.
    Aug 22, 2018 0
  • Intel SeaShells
    2yrs into GC and Indian. Would take the citizenship cause why not. Give myself one of the most powerful passports, stability and freedom to travel. Plus I can always go back to India as Person of Indian Origin and reap benefits on both sides.

    If you’re European its a different thing perhaps.
    Aug 22, 2018 0
  • New / Biz Dev
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    Trump said no
    Aug 22, 2018 0

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