Green card priority date

Intel Jjjhhgggbb
Sep 11, 2018 64 Comments

Just noticed EB2 India moved back from Mar 2009 in August bulletin to sometime in 2007 in the September bulletin. Sucks ! Have been here for 11 years, have house and kids. We are in bonded labor here. Thinking of other options , like moving out of the country. No amount of money is worth this. What are other folks in blind doing about this ?

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  • Did u just come out of the cave? What were u hoping here?

    I have been here 10 years too but I don’t feel I am entitled to anything because I know when I applied for visa it was temporary and i could be asked to return.

    Seems like u only booked one way ticket out from India..

    Edit: you are not BONDED LABOR.. bonded labor is what Indians are in Dubai or Saudi where their passports are held and they are forced to work 12 hours a day under excessive heat..

    It’s cribbers and entitled Indians who screw up everyone..

    Sep 11, 2018 15
    • Salesforce Strangefor
      100 times Better said than done desi-girl
      Sep 11, 2018
    • LeanTaaS desi-giri
      Well, I did it once...and I know if we have the right motivation, moving out of US is a piece of cake...

      You just need to stop lovings dollars and our awesome packages...
      Sep 11, 2018
    • New VoSi13
      True dat @desi-girl!
      Sep 11, 2018
    • Apple TNjX25
      Been here 10 years . My PD is jul 2010. It’s disheartening. But you can change jobs while you wait. I did one job hop. Granted its not every couple years. But I just accepted it. I love being in the US. I have to suck it up, because I love it here. Yes , the money is great. But more importantly my quality of life is incredible. I cant get that anywhere else, so I lick my wounds and wait
      Sep 11, 2018
    • PayPal Yellostone
      OP you and Uber guy have different motivations. While the Uber guy is ok to just keep working and making money and returning back any time, you want to continue to live here because you have built your life here. So, you should ignore this guy’s comment and figure out ways.

      Yes it’s unfair that we have to wait so long! The reason is that the immigration is broken. The bottleneck is the 7% allotment per country in employment based GC! The H-1B and GC laws are very old and outdated.

      If you look at the history of immigration in US, any new change takes a long time!

      But there are still ways to get the GC through the EB-1. Try to figure out if you qualify with your attorneys! Ask them what will make you qualify so that you can work towards it! Also,
      EB-5 if you have money! If nothing, plan your move to another similar country! If you weren’t married, I would have suggested trying to date a citizen as well!
      Sep 11, 2018
    • Intel sabertooth
      It took you 11 years to realiz there is such a hassle in moving jobs and uncertainty ? Damn, you must be really dumb
      Sep 11, 2018
    • LeanTaaS desi-giri
      OP...from 2013...priority dates are almost same...okay, it's never late to realize and make the next move accordingly....

      So what's your next move...
      Sep 11, 2018
    • PayPal Yellostone
      Saberooth, don’t be a dick! It started getting tough from a couple of years! Before that it was not so uncertain!
      Sep 11, 2018
    • Intel sabertooth
      What are you talking about? Its been always like thay
      Sep 11, 2018
    • Salesforce Strangefor
      Dollars and packages is one thing, like someone said building your life here with family etc and uprooting is primary. 10 yrs back when you came here finding jobs and moving was simpler... with a life with family built around now in US, kids going to school, paying the cost of studying here and what not...it’s a tough call to make.
      Sep 11, 2018
  • Google tahrirshah
    Yet another green card thread and more cribbings.

    Here is the thing: GC backlog can't be fixed by anyone other than Congress. The only way Congress fixes anything is by passing a law. A bill becomes law by passing in house senate and then assent by the president.

    If you want to fix, go help folks who are working hard for the bill to pass. Advocacy is hard, but at least it is better anyday- you are reaching out to an elected representative seeking help. It is better than posting in a forum, being a whiny person and making everyone else feel like you are a privileged biatch (which I don't think you wanted to either convey or mean). Politics in US works differently. You can reach out to your rep and ask support.

    The bill is hr392. Look it up! I have no pm left for the month. Please pm me if you want.
    Sep 11, 2018 11
    • Google tahrirshah
      If you are unhappy with 392, which makes the wait same for everyone - just like the Constitution says 'all men are equal'
      Go ahead and push your own bill.

      Remember what obama said in his Chicago speech - we shouldn't wait for everything to be perfect to fix, we should start making progress to the final solution and that is more important.

      Folks from another country have been receiving special privilege so long. Now that it may be gone, so many want to fix the system. This is the same argument whites did after civil rights (oh blacks are taking away my privilege). Where were you last 15 years when folks were rotting in the line? Did you ever open your mouth in support for those in the line.

      I have been standing in line supporting every other immigrant when they were asking for help. DACA rally- check , travel ban rally - check.

      If you are honest, go write a new bill and get it done. It is you who is selfish.

      How are you okay with someone semi skilled from another country moving ahead with lots of good applicants from India continue to rot? You know this- in eb3 there is a provision for semi skilled and they get GC before anyone from India and China who may have a masters or PhD, who contribute by paying taxes, being part of the local economy for 10 years, while the rest get citizenship in 7 years. The ones you are batting for are folks who haven't even set foot in the country and you want to favor them instead of folks who are already contributing to the local community?

      County of origin is an immutable characteristic. I can't work towards fixing it. On a employment GC line, it has no propose. There is diversity visa just for that. You can't hire someone based on country of origin, how is giving out employment GC based on that okay? Laws are not immutable.

      I am honest, I agree hr392 doesn't fix everything. However, it is a first step to fix the issue. Sorry if you don't agree.
      Sep 12, 2018
    • Amazon rust
      Right now it's working well for people from most countries and badly broken for two. 392 will make it badly broken for all. That's not better. That's worse. Broken for all is WORSE than broken for two.

      We need an actual fix, not some self serving cynical bill that absolutely ruins the system.

      The only people calling it "a first step"are Indians who selfishly don't care that it fucks the country.
      Sep 12, 2018
    • Google tahrirshah
      How is wait time of 150 years acceptable for folks from India and China and 5 years is not acceptable for others?

      How do you have the heart to say, you guys continue to rot 150 years while we get in < 2 years. You are neither superior nor inferior to me. you are as much a human who needs to be respected and treated as me.


      Still you haven't answered any of my questions above.

      A badly broken is 150 years. Not 5 years. Come on! If you are going to complain for 5 years, have you had some empathy to talk about how bad is 150 years ?

      If I were to translate what you say, I don't care that you rot for 100 years, I care that I can't wait for 5 years. This is the most privileged argument I have heard and is 100 times worse than op who is complaining.

      Bless you!
      Sep 12, 2018
    • Amazon rust
      It's not acceptable, but making an unacceptable wait time for everyone is EVEN WORSE.

      I want a fix. Hr392 is not a fix.

      And the only people who think 5 years waiting is no big deal are desperate people from third world countries who have no alternative but to wait. You do not realize that applicants from developed countries WON'T EVEN APPLY if that kind of unacceptable wait exists.
      Sep 12, 2018
    • Google tahrirshah
      Yes, if you want a fix, get a congressman or woman to write a bill and pass it. Don't piss around people who are patiently standing in line.

      You think folks from developed countries are worth more than others? Why would you go give GC to someone who isn't interested and instead not give to someone who has been in the line waiting and more importantly contributing to the local economy? Is it diversity? If so , there is diversity visa for that. If DV count isn't enough, lobby to increase the number of DV visa.

      Whether they come from developing or developed countries is immaterial. What is important that you bring up is 5 year wait is unacceptable. It makes even stronger argument why this bill should pass.

      If the wait time needs to be shortened, we should increase the number of GC.

      While you are complaining, go pass the bill to increase number of GC. I will support you!
      Sep 12, 2018
    • Amazon rust
      I'm absolutely opposed to a bill that is EVEN WORSE than the status quo. That doesn't mean I like the status quo.

      You are being extremely selfish pushing for a bill that fucks up the entire system only to benefit yourself.

      We need an actual fix. We need a solution that results in NO QUEUE.
      Sep 12, 2018
    • Google tahrirshah
      It's not worse, it's better for more than 90% being serviced by the line and not for a small number whose wait times go from 0-5. Your major point is (privileged) folks don't have patience to wait 5 years. Duh! Most on the line are waiting for more than 15 years now and will have to wait for 100 more years.

      I am also human, I don't have patience as well. Why aren't you even considering me human? Can you also consider me human 🙂
      Sep 12, 2018
    • Amazon rust
      There are two ways to get to NO QUEUE. One is to increase the number of GC, the other is to reduce the number of applicants.

      I prefer reducing the number of applicants. It should be a fair solution that gives people from every country an equal chance.

      The existing applications should then be instantly approved under the old rules but without waiting, or instantly assessed under the new rules and approved/denied.

      No queue.

      That's a fix. Hr392 is not a fix. Hr392 takes a situation that is badly broken for India and makes it badly broken for the whole world. It's not better for 90 percent of APPLICANTS, most of whom GOT APPROVED AND ARE NOT WAITING under the old system.
      Sep 12, 2018
    • Google tahrirshah
      You have excellent ideas. Please pass a bill with your ideas on the Hill. I will be cheering you from the sides !
      Sep 12, 2018
    • Amazon rust
      Sure, and in the meantime I am writing my congressman and senators and urging them to vote against 392 because it's bad for America.

      I will definitely let them know I want to see a bill that results in no queue for anyone.
      Sep 12, 2018
  • LeanTaaS desi-giri
    Sell your house and whatever profit you made, go for EB5 visa (if you are short of money, save for few more years...its only $500k) or stop crying like a bitch...either quit the job and move on to another country or shut the fuck up

    And btw we both know, no one is moving anywhere...
    Sep 11, 2018 0
  • Amazon EFaX22
    Make India Great Again?
    Sep 11, 2018 0
  • New Egypt80
    Nobody, except some Indians, likes this resolution. Most importantly, American tech workers are lobbying against it. If one is against this resolution the response should not be 'go write your own bill'. You know why? Because the status quo works for the person who is against it and all they need to do is point out the clear flaws in this resolution. Those who want to be free of the backlogs and want to lobby for congress to change the laws, should lobby for a resolution that helps them and harms no one else. Then maybe others can get behind it.

    Right now, hr 392 has real opposition to it and the only people lobbying for it are Indian tech workers. It would be foolish to ignore the concerns of those who are opposed, very real concerns, and instead say 'go write a better bill'. Why can't you lobby for a better bill?

    At this rate this back and forth will continue and the backlogs will only grow, 10 year waits will turn to 20 and then more.
    In the meantime, USCIS is tightening the screws on h1-b and I suspect I-140 petitions are next on their list.
    Sep 12, 2018 10
    • Amazon rust
      Exactly
      Sep 12, 2018
    • Google tahrirshah
      Who are those folks who oppose? Can you enumerate?
      Sep 12, 2018
    • Uber Homework
      Not even chinese are for this bill, there are active complaint about this bill on chinese internet.
      Sep 12, 2018
    • Amazon rust
      Only Indians like it. It's worse for EVERYONE else.
      Sep 12, 2018
    • Google tahrirshah
      I spoke toy Chinese friends. Actually they see that 392 is reasonable. Even my Iranian co-worker thinks it's fair for 392 to pass

      The only folks I see are Iranians who are on F1. These are the folks who I have found to be totally crazy.
      Sep 12, 2018
    • Amazon rust
      See how people feel when they realize it means a five years wait.

      There's a lot of BS being spread about hr392, the people pushing it rarely bother to tell you that even if it is implemented the queue will actually CONTINUE GROWING.

      It will reduce to a few years only by spreading the pain around to everyone but because the number of applicants will continue to be more than the number of visas it will then just get longer and longer.

      It's a scam.
      Sep 12, 2018
    • Google tahrirshah
      Actually I think those iranian F1 students are totally misguided. They will get screwed during F1 to GC interview. That's something many don't know and 392 is least of their problems. You worry about running only after you can crawl. When I explained to one of my iranian friend he was like OMG why is niac doing this. I hope he speaks to the right folks and tell them how they are barking at the wrong tree.

      Incidentally my teammate from Iran thinks there is no reason why someone should be discriminated based on country of birth. He thinks 392 in fair. An awesome person who is not a hypocrite, which I am really hoping rest of my Iranian brothers will realize!
      Sep 13, 2018
    • Amazon rust
      Nobody thinks people should be discriminated against based on country of birth but that doesn't make hr392 any less of a dumpster fire.

      You guys use this over the top bullshit to try and defend this absolutely shitty bill.

      "Can you see my as human", "exploited", "indentured labor", "discriminated against".

      What a load of bullshit. The problems relate the the amount of fraud and abuse from India, over jobs that are among the highest paid in the country. No I'm not saying all Indians are like that and in fact in my company they are mostly great but you also better not be denying that the India queue is full because of abuse of the i140/h1b loophole exploited by Indians.

      In any case the solution isn't hr392, that is just taking a problem caused and experienced by Indians and inflicting it on all people. We need to fix the root of the problem. Not spread the problem around.

      The root of the problem is that every year more i140s are approved than i485. Solution is to have proportional to population (ie fair) country caps on i140 applications and no caps on i485. Then there won't be any waiting queue. You either have an in process application or you go home at the end of you temporary visa.

      That would fix it.
      Sep 13, 2018
    • New Egypt80
      There is no use trying to reason with this guy because he'll either talk about his Iranian friend on F1 (how is that relevant), say his non-Indian friends support this bill (either they are lying or he is) or say it's not fair that he is stuck in a backlog (yet wants a bill that when passed, will put everyone in a backlog).

      The goal here is to transfer inefficient bureaucracy to everyone. That should not be the goal. The root cause of the backlogs is not country caps but they have hijacked the conversation and made it all about country caps.

      Country caps were never designed to be hit, therefore if you have a cap on something but that cap is never met, the cap becomes irrelevant.
      Therefore the whole argument that skilled visas should not be subject to diversity would not be an issue if the caps functioned as expected I.e never get maxed out.

      Yes, it sucks to be in a queue that doesn't seem to move but the solution should not be to eye other queues but to fix the issue of the one queue not moving.

      Before 2007, all countries had a backlog, India, Rest of the World, all!
      Yet after 2008 the backlog of the rest of the world cleared up but that of India kept on building, why?
      Currently, India gets more green cards then any country. Infact, if you add up the green cards issued to European and African countries, the number is still smaller than that of India.

      This is something tactically not mentioned by proponents of this bill. The numbers don't add up, and that's the root cause.. Not country caps.
      One country gets the lion share of the green cards and is still backlogged so they complain that they want all the green cards. Even if they get all the green cards, they will still be backlogged.
      Why not talk about that, instead of hr 392. Hr 392 does not fix this problem.
      Sep 13, 2018
  • Cisco GoneSummr
    We r moving to Canada next Jan
    Sep 11, 2018 6
    • Intel Jjjhhgggbb
      OP
      Good for you.. How tedious was the process ? Care to shed some insight ?
      Sep 11, 2018
    • Cisco GoneSummr
      Took 3 months from the day of application till all is done
      Sep 11, 2018
    • Visa / Eng (.)(.)
      @Intel. We are moving to Canada later this year. Use this tool: http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/immigrate/skilled/crs-tool.asp .... You need a score of >440 to get in. It costs 1.5-2.5k usd if I remember correctly. Everything is straight forward
      Sep 11, 2018
    • Intel Jjjhhgggbb
      OP
      Thank you very much ! Great to get valuable inputs on this forum. Did you all have to move jobs as well ? Or was it just a location change for the same job ?
      Sep 11, 2018
    • Cisco GoneSummr
      For jobs u need SIN
      Sep 11, 2018
    • Visa / Eng (.)(.)
      I’m quitting and moving. Sure hope I’m right in trusting my skills and abilities this much. I do have some decent liquid savings
      Sep 11, 2018
  • New / Eng indiann
    please state clearly who do you blame .
    why you buy house on temp visa ?
    Sep 11, 2018 5
    • Intel Jjjhhgggbb
      OP
      As I mentioned earlier , we make certain bets on our future based on historical data. In this case , many now have to think of other options.
      Sep 11, 2018
    • New / Biz Dev
      Bearygreen

      New Biz Dev

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      Bearygreenmore
      Sep 11, 2018
    • LinkedIn Chill!
      Have you ever heard the phrase ‘past performance is not a guarantee for future..’.

      Change your attitude, educate yourself about your greencard queue and serious downsides of staying in H1b forever and plan your next move.
      Sep 11, 2018
    • LeanTaaS desi-giri
      @Chill! - or as we say, NextPlay :)
      Sep 11, 2018
    • New / Eng indiann
      @op brilliant plan ,do now ,think later .
      Sep 11, 2018
  • Options include: Canada, Australia, NZ
    Sep 11, 2018 3
    • Apple / Eng AppleK
      And most of EU if you’re open to new languages
      Sep 11, 2018
    • IBM / QA joTX86
      AppleK, what countries in EU have favorable immigration policies? I don't know how hard it would be to pick French or German, but if the journey isn't as rough as it is in the US, might be up worth an attempt
      Sep 11, 2018
    • New gigM8
      Germany is the best country to immigrate. German easiest to learn. Just go there and talk to people. Very approachable.
      Sep 11, 2018
  • Amazon rust
    You would have to have been living under a rock not to know about the greencard queue. Yet you came and took the job.

    And now you complain.
    Sep 11, 2018 0
  • Apple / Design
    kOsL80

    Apple Design

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    kOsL80more
    Go back to your home country and live like a king..!!! Or suffer here as a slave..!
    Sep 11, 2018 0
  • Google skillet
    Hola op! What have you done to fix your problem? Have you ever donated to help fix this issue? There is a bill hr 392. Do you know anything about it?
    Sep 11, 2018 0
  • New / Biz Dev
    Bearygreen

    New Biz Dev

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    Bearygreenmore
    You can always use your kids as anchor babies
    Sep 11, 2018 0
  • New / Biz Dev
    Bearygreen

    New Biz Dev

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    Bearygreenmore
    Trump said too bad
    Sep 11, 2018 0
  • Rockwell Collins cscY72
    What is your priority date for EB2?
    Sep 11, 2018 0

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