H1B System Reeks of Slavery

Microsoft / Data ppal
Mar 29 102 Comments

If you're from India, no country will fail you more than your India itself. But forget that for once, and does the H1B system, with 6+ month Visa processing times, feel like slavery?

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  • Tableau krxi15
    It’s not slavery if you opted in and knowing the rules beforehand.
    Mar 29 10
    • Microsoft / Data ppal
      OP
      They keep it confusing because they still want the tuition money.
      Mar 29
    • Tableau krxi15
      Don’t be dumb, I am not talking about processing time rules. H1B is opt in, you chose it willingly and you can opt out willingly as well. Slavery doesn’t get any of those choices. Stop comparing your 350k paying slavery in a country which has seen real slavery.
      Mar 29
    • Amazon sprung
      You are free at ANY time to leave so it's not slavery. Stop being an asshole.
      Mar 29
    • Tableau krxi15
      Green card wait was not known beforehand but the rules and the system was. The rule being each country get limited seats every year. You should’ve done the math yourself, India is country of 1B+.

      Oh wait, did you think you were special and talented that you made it to America and not many Indians would, is that your thought process behind not seeing that Indian and Chinese lines will be clogged?
      Mar 29
    • Amazon sprung
      The greencard wait is well known and has been well known for years. It's been discussed in Congress and there is a large Indian funded lobby group pushing for hr392. It's not a secret.
      Mar 29
  • Amazon kaufwhgsv
    Wtf? No country will fail you more than your India itself? What does India owe you?
    Mar 29 5
    • Oracle pzd
      Not India itself, but the state does owe it's citizens some fundamental rights. That's the social contract theory. I think that's what OP was referring to, and I don't think he's completely wrong.
      Mar 29
    • LinkedIn Capt Marv
      There are fundamental rights in India. India gave you education that helped you move to a high paying sector in a developed world. Saying India failed you is a stupid statement.

      Most people in the world are born in developing or under developed countries. Op what have you contributed to make the developing countries better ?

      Also would you say your parents failed you because they are not rich as gates or Ambanis?
      Mar 29
    • Oracle pzd
      You completely missed the point of social contract by comparing the state with parents.
      Mar 29
    • Amazon kaufwhgsv
      Why do lots of people always quote the reserved benefits when asked why they move to the US? Why do you disagree with benefits granted to people in the disadvantaged caste?
      Mar 29
    • LinkedIn Capt Marv
      It is not that they disagree benefits to the disadvantaged ppl. Caste reservation helps only the privileged ppl of disadvantaged caste. There are disadvantaged ppl across all castes. If you see India poverty wiki page, you will that significant ppl of forward caste are in poverty as well (off courses lot more from disadvantaged castes are poor). Most other ppl are middle class and they strive hard everyday and wish meritocracy was the only parameter to reward their hard work.

      Even in a developed country like US not all people support affirmative action based on race(equivalent of reservation).

      I think if the reservation/affirmative would be solely on economic criteria ppl would be more open to it
      Mar 29
  • Amazon sprung
    Fuck these self entitled whining b*tches who think earning a top salary is slavery.

    You aren't entitled to work in the US, it's a privilege, and if you don't like the conditions of entry, don't enter. Go somewhere else, it's your free choice.
    Mar 29 5
    • Amazon 8663472423
      This
      Mar 29
    • Oracle pzd
      When you can't do something, and pay others to do it for you - that's called a job not privilege. US doesn't do it out of goodness of 💓
      Mar 29
    • Money doesn't compensate slavery. H1B isn't exactly slavery but feels like it because of restrictions faced by the non-immigrants. Just because you're born at the right place at the right time doesn't mean you are superior. The citizens only have to accept the frickin job offer and pass some stupid background check. H1-B go through a lot more and work out of their comfort zones always being alert to the system. Ever had to look for a job after being layed off without having to worry about being out of legal status?
      Mar 29
    • Amazon sprung
      It isn't slavery and it doesn't feel like slavery.

      You are equating "status in the US" with "superior" and that's not correct. You can go be "superior" in India, but you don't have any right to work in the United States.

      You do have a right to work in India. I don't. If I want to work in India I have to go fill out some visa application form and hope that the India government approves it, which they will only do if I fit into regulations designed to ensure my employment somehow benefits Indian citizens.

      I'm not sure why you feel the US should be different and that US law shouldn't benefit Americans the way Indian law benefits Indians.

      You seem to think that became America has higher salaries you should automatically be considered for those jobs just because and that the interests of Americans shouldn't ever be considered.
      Mar 29
  • Amazon zenobia22
    By choosing to not stay in the country and contribute to its progress, at this point you are failing your country more than vice versa.
    Mar 29 5
    • Oracle pzd
      Indeed. Why don't you all go back and contribute to it's progress?
      Mar 29
    • Microsoft / Data ppal
      OP
      I would, but Indians don't value PhDs. If I had a MBA, I would totally go back to India.
      Mar 29
    • Oracle pzd
      Ah so you DO have a reason. I thought y'all just like to whine 😂
      Mar 29
    • Microsoft / Sales
      FUPM

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      FUPMmore
      So you made the wrong choice by choosing a path that is not marketable in your country?
      Mar 29
    • Oracle pzd
      Yes because his father asked him to 😆
      Mar 29
  • Apple EyiQ54
    H1b from India have a hard time compared to h1bs from other countries but it’s not slavery since no one is forcing us to work without pay
    Mar 29 0
  • Nvidia DE2019
    As a naturalized American citizen from India my opinion is Silicon Valley depends on immigrants especially from India and China . I see everywhere H1bs just not hardcore software programming jobs . I see H1b’s as product managers, project managers, program managers, data engineers, data scientists, equity research analyst , nurses , doctors , pharmacists,physiotherapists and the list goes on and on . Just consider the high schools in Bay Area . Only 3 from cupertino , 2 from Palo Alto and one from Fremont Mission school district are top and good schools . All others are not that good .Also the percentage of kids want to do STEM is very very less .
    Mar 29 4
    • Lyft ihb47
      Not a super coherent point
      Mar 29
    • Amazon sprung
      A higher percentage of American kids get STEM degrees than Indian kids. It's a numbers game, the low percentage of Indians who get STEM degrees is still a larger absolute number just due to much larger population size, and then because India has a horrible economy a large number of those seek to migrate to the US.

      But don't mistake that process for some cultural difference. Fewer Indians go to college than Americans.
      Mar 29
    • Lyft ihb47
      With 1+ billion people who would’ve ever guessed that a couple thousand could write code for Microsoft. Incredible achievement
      Mar 29
    • Nvidia DE2019
      The point is Silicon Valley is full of immigrants especially from India and China . It can’t function without them .
      Mar 29
  • Barclays PLC FAANGHNTER
    It's a tough contract not slavery. People get good returns if they manage to just suck it up and carry on. Wage slavery is slavery .
    Mar 29 15
    • Barclays PLC FAANGHNTER
      This is how a conversation dies. There is a name to this technique.
      Mar 29
    • Amazon sprung
      You are being justly called out for posting something extremely racist and offensive, and now you are crying that you're the victim?

      Really.
      Mar 29
    • Barclays PLC FAANGHNTER
      No, you lost the conversation thread.
      Mar 29
    • Amazon sprung
      No, you posted offensive and racist shit and you are being excoriated for it. Comparing your pampered and luxurious lifestyle to slavery is offensive.
      Mar 29
    • Barclays PLC FAANGHNTER
      lol
      Mar 29
  • It's better than Indian parents (1950s gen) controlling their 40 year old children. It almost feels like slavery in your own house. If you're an Indian woman, then you must have lost your freedom long ago..I don't know why you're complaining?
    Mar 29 8
    • Visa / Eng kjzO64
      Well said Barclays. On the lighter-side, now I have a tech-friendly response when people use the word.

      “You can’t use the term ‘Slavery’, it’s a reserved word for legacy reasons.”
      Mar 29
    • Y'all I didn't say it is Slavery. I said almost feels like it. I'm not disrespecting the term. I'm using it as a scale to compare.
      Mar 29
    • Barclays PLC FAANGHNTER
      Exactly .. the word brings different horrors in different cultures. India was enslaved by Brits , for us that's slavery. It's different for you .

      Moreover it can be used as a metaphor at times.
      Mar 29
    • Slavery isn't the term exclusive to the victims of white supremacists. It has different levels beyond our perception. H1-B isn't slavery tho wtf.
      Mar 29
    • Barclays PLC FAANGHNTER
      Agreed it itsnt . But OP uses the term as a metaphor.
      Mar 29
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    • New HolyPig
      You are constantly living under fear.. pay won’t tell you about slavery.
      Mar 29
    • Microsoft / Sales
      FUPM

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      FUPMmore
      Where are my golden shackles? I'm game
      Mar 29
    • Amazon syyqpb
      Git gud and join a company that pays for your shackles
      Mar 29
  • Uber / Eng fomo
    H1bs are paying significant tax dollars for the wellness of US citizens who can but don’t want to work, who use drugs in public and shit outside your company, while being discriminated against in the job market and scoffed on blind. H1bs know it’s not fair, but it’s perhaps better than the way of life back home. Even if it’s not necessary better anymore, they feel they invested too much of their life and money into this path, it’s unwise to throw it away. It’s not slavery, but it’s not the American dream people heard so much about
    Mar 29 3
    • Amazon sprung
      What do you mean by "discrimination", if you mean that US law requires hiring an American over a foreigner, sure, it should be that way.

      US law does require that h1b be paid the prevailing wage.
      Mar 29
    • Google / Eng hooli.xyz
      “Even if it’s not necessary better anymore, they feel they invested too much of their life and money into this path, it’s unwise to throw it away.”

      And they’re blaming the U.S. for their sunk cost fallacy which doesn’t make sense. Don’t like it, then leave.

      Yes, it’s not the American dream anymore. But stop hating on the country where it still gives you better opportunities than your home country.
      Mar 29
    • Amazon 8663472423
      This is the exact reason for H1B. It prevents foreign born workers to stop working and collect unemployment once they get a green card.
      Mar 29
  • Uber / Eng fomo
    Slavery no, but second class citizen and discriminated, for sure
    Mar 29 3
    • Amazon sprung
      You are not a citizen. You are a temporary guest worker.
      Mar 29
    • Uber / Eng fomo
      Does temporary guest worker deserve to be discriminated against? Where’s the American value of fairness? Btw, I’m not H1b
      Mar 29
    • Amazon sprung
      Discriminated in what sense? Do you mean not served in a restaurant? No.

      If you mean that companies should not hire them if there is a qualified American available, absolutely.
      Mar 29
  • Visa / Eng kjzO64
    Remember when the Southern US states started a Civil War because the Northern states wanted to restrict the amount of H1B’s from Africa.
    Mar 29 2
    • Amazon sprung
      You don't have a right to work in the United States. You made a choice to come here and if you don't like it you can make a choice to leave.

      You were not abducted at gunpoint and forced into a boat against your will. You were not crammed into a storage hold where many died in miserable conditions. You were not beaten to death if you complained. You were not physically whipped. You were not executed if you tried to escape. You were not forced to work without pay. You did not have your children forcibly taken from you and sold to the highest bidder.

      FUCK YOU for even suggesting this comparison you are an asshole.
      Mar 29
    • Google / Eng hooli.xyz
      Lots of H-1Bs have such entitled attitudes and have the gall to compare their high paying jobs to the savage, transatlantic slave trade where millions of Africans died.
      Mar 29
  • Amazon 8663472423
    H1b feels like getting out of slavery
    Mar 29 1
    • Lyft ihb47
      Considering the massive amount of demand for it that’s a logical conclusion
      Mar 29
    • Trinidad Indians were paid in advance and brought in by Brits. They made it seem like it was legit 😂. Under "contract". Yet were subjected to appallingly poor and unethical conditions.
      Mar 29
    • Oracle pzd
      > Mughals used to sell Hindus as slaves

      Where did you learn your history?
      Mar 29
    • Amazon sprung
      Where did you learn yours? India? Oh yeah Indian schools have started teaching a sanitized version of pre British Indian history to make it sound like it was a paradise before the Brits got there.

      Reality is that the Mughals were brutal Invaders who viewed the natives as inferior heathens and yes did sell them off as slaves.

      But that doesn't gel with the current ideology that all India's problems can be blamed on the British. You need to pretend the Mughals were awesome so that you can imagine there were no problems until the Brits came along.

      What's hilarious is that the exact same Indians who rage against the Raj insist on colonizing Kashmir and justify the occupation there by saying some unelected dead guy signed an instrument selling out his people in exchange for Indian soldiers keeping him in power. Kind of like the Brits justified their illegitimate rule in India by pointing to unelected dead guys who signed instruments selling out India to the Brits so that East India Company soldiers would keep them in power.

      Irony?

      I think the Indian school system may have let you down. A more accurate but less dramatic history is that India got conquered by the Mughals and then by the British because it had problems, and neither rule was particularly healthy for the oppressed local population, though both did import some good institutions and technologies.

      Life sucked under both and it's great that India now has self rule and hopefully you guys will make a great country. I don't believe in colonization, I believe democracy and self rule is always the only sustainable path to prosperity and in past centuries really few people understood that so life sucked in lots of places.

      But anyway don't rewrite history, just move on.
      Mar 29
    • Bhakt spotted
      Mar 29
    • Amazon sprung
      Here is a lightning history of the world:

      Everything sucked for everyone for a very long time, they were everywhere oppressed. Then a couple thousand years ago in Athens there was a glimmer of hope, an idea that people could rule themselves, rather than be ruled. The idea of freedom.

      Unfortunately it flourished only briefly and then was snuffed out by a foreign empire and then again for a very long time everything sucked for everyone everywhere.

      But the idea didn't die, and it emerged again, this time in Western Europe. People there lived under horrible feudal systems but gradually they evolved towards democratic ones. Sometimes violently. Sometimes gradually. A few more times the idea was snuffed out, but it had spread to the people, and just kept coming back.

      Then something changed, one nation revolted against the monarch and in 1776 finally established a democracy that survived and grew. The US Constitution was drafted, a document which reverberated around the world and everywhere people came to demand the same.

      It hung over India when the people there eventually threw off the same monarch and demanded freedom for themselves. It hung over the streets of the Philippines in 1986 when people there poured out into the freeway and said no to tyranny.

      At last there is hope for humanity, and the idea is spreading.
      Mar 29
  • Uber / Eng fomo
    The toxicity and hate towards H1bs in the thread is sickening. I’ve been to many developed countries and regions where some incompetent local people gather and chant to the immigrants “Go home! Don’t steal our jobs!” while the competent local people prefer working with the talented foreign colleagues to incompetent local ones. You can find who belong to the first type in this thread
    Mar 29 1
    • Amazon 8663472423
      India is famous for this. Last president promised to deport all Bangladeshi.
      Mar 29
  • Nvidia / Eng
    Nsgl08

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    Nsgl08more
    Just remember if Congress comes to power tax might rise to 70%. So if you are in US remain there.
    Mar 29 4
    • Oracle pzd
      Way to go around spreading propaganda among people who likely won't even vote.
      Mar 29
    • Nvidia / Eng
      Nsgl08

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      Nsgl08more
      How are they going to fund 72k per year for 20 % population? Won't do it by printing notes I guess.
      Mar 29
    • Oracle pzd
      As an aside, printing notes is a form of taxation.
      Mar 29
    • Nvidia / Eng
      Nsgl08

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      Nsgl08more
      Yup that's the point. Taxation will increase a lot without any benifits.
      Mar 29
  • Nvidia DE2019
    21.3 Percent of U.S. Population Participates in Government Assistance Programs Each Month. Approximately 52.2 million (or 21.3 percent) people in the U.S. participated in major means-tested government assistance programs each month in 2012, according to a U.S. Census Bureau report released today
    H1bs SS used for this .
    Mar 29 2
    • Can you please shed some more light on this?
      Mar 29
    • Amazon 8663472423
      This the exact problem H1B. Indians are taking all good jobs.
      Mar 29
  • Google / Eng hooli.xyz
    This is real slavery: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_slave_trade.

    And that’s just historical. Here’s a sample of modern slavery: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-36416751
    Mar 29 0
  • New HolyPig
    RFE sucks
    Mar 29 0
  • Uber / Eng fomo
    Who said anything about hating. Just stating facts to make a point to you assholes who are entitled just because you were born in a certain place. It’s not the H1bs who are “entitled” when they demand some degree of fairness for fair work
    Mar 29 5
    • Google / Eng hooli.xyz
      You did, quoted from your previous post:

      “H1bs are paying significant tax dollars for the wellness of US citizens who can but don’t want to work, who use drugs in public and shit outside your company”

      You just generalized all Americans as lazy, drug addicts who don’t know how to use a toilet.
      Mar 29
    • Amazon sprung
      Yes you might just be "entitled" if you come here and compare yourself to a slave all because the US doesn't guarantee a job and a greencard to every single Indian citizen.

      US citizenship is not your birthright. Indian citizenship is.
      Mar 29
    • Uber / Eng fomo
      @sprung Are you thick? When did I compare myself to a slave? and now I’m Indian? What you are saying have zero relevance to what I’ve said.
      Mar 29
    • Uber / Eng fomo
      @hooli.xyz how is it a generalization that all Americans are lazy? I like how you quote my word and make a freakin stupid wrong interpretation right after it.
      Mar 29
    • Google / Eng hooli.xyz
      @fomo

      I like how you don’t even seem to understand what you wrote.
      Mar 29