If you're from India, no country will fail you more than your India itself. But forget that for once, and does the H1B system, with 6+ month Visa processing times, feel like slavery?
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- Green card wait was not known beforehand but the rules and the system was. The rule being each country get limited seats every year. You should’ve done the math yourself, India is country of 1B+.
Oh wait, did you think you were special and talented that you made it to America and not many Indians would, is that your thought process behind not seeing that Indian and Chinese lines will be clogged?
- Wtf? No country will fail you more than your India itself? What does India owe you?
- There are fundamental rights in India. India gave you education that helped you move to a high paying sector in a developed world. Saying India failed you is a stupid statement.
Most people in the world are born in developing or under developed countries. Op what have you contributed to make the developing countries better ?
Also would you say your parents failed you because they are not rich as gates or Ambanis?Mar 29 8
- It is not that they disagree benefits to the disadvantaged ppl. Caste reservation helps only the privileged ppl of disadvantaged caste. There are disadvantaged ppl across all castes. If you see India poverty wiki page, you will that significant ppl of forward caste are in poverty as well (off courses lot more from disadvantaged castes are poor). Most other ppl are middle class and they strive hard everyday and wish meritocracy was the only parameter to reward their hard work.
Even in a developed country like US not all people support affirmative action based on race(equivalent of reservation).
I think if the reservation/affirmative would be solely on economic criteria ppl would be more open to it
- Fuck these self entitled whining b*tches who think earning a top salary is slavery.
You aren't entitled to work in the US, it's a privilege, and if you don't like the conditions of entry, don't enter. Go somewhere else, it's your free choice.
- Money doesn't compensate slavery. H1B isn't exactly slavery but feels like it because of restrictions faced by the non-immigrants. Just because you're born at the right place at the right time doesn't mean you are superior. The citizens only have to accept the frickin job offer and pass some stupid background check. H1-B go through a lot more and work out of their comfort zones always being alert to the system. Ever had to look for a job after being layed off without having to worry about being out of legal status?
- It isn't slavery and it doesn't feel like slavery.
You are equating "status in the US" with "superior" and that's not correct. You can go be "superior" in India, but you don't have any right to work in the United States.
You do have a right to work in India. I don't. If I want to work in India I have to go fill out some visa application form and hope that the India government approves it, which they will only do if I fit into regulations designed to ensure my employment somehow benefits Indian citizens.
I'm not sure why you feel the US should be different and that US law shouldn't benefit Americans the way Indian law benefits Indians.
You seem to think that became America has higher salaries you should automatically be considered for those jobs just because and that the interests of Americans shouldn't ever be considered.
- Amazon zenobia22By choosing to not stay in the country and contribute to its progress, at this point you are failing your country more than vice versa.
- As a naturalized American citizen from India my opinion is Silicon Valley depends on immigrants especially from India and China . I see everywhere H1bs just not hardcore software programming jobs . I see H1b’s as product managers, project managers, program managers, data engineers, data scientists, equity research analyst , nurses , doctors , pharmacists,physiotherapists and the list goes on and on . Just consider the high schools in Bay Area . Only 3 from cupertino , 2 from Palo Alto and one from Fremont Mission school district are top and good schools . All others are not that good .Also the percentage of kids want to do STEM is very very less .
- A higher percentage of American kids get STEM degrees than Indian kids. It's a numbers game, the low percentage of Indians who get STEM degrees is still a larger absolute number just due to much larger population size, and then because India has a horrible economy a large number of those seek to migrate to the US.
But don't mistake that process for some cultural difference. Fewer Indians go to college than Americans.
- It's a tough contract not slavery. People get good returns if they manage to just suck it up and carry on. Wage slavery is slavery .
- It's better than Indian parents (1950s gen) controlling their 40 year old children. It almost feels like slavery in your own house. If you're an Indian woman, then you must have lost your freedom long ago..I don't know why you're complaining?
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- H1bs are paying significant tax dollars for the wellness of US citizens who can but don’t want to work, who use drugs in public and shit outside your company, while being discriminated against in the job market and scoffed on blind. H1bs know it’s not fair, but it’s perhaps better than the way of life back home. Even if it’s not necessary better anymore, they feel they invested too much of their life and money into this path, it’s unwise to throw it away. It’s not slavery, but it’s not the American dream people heard so much about
- “Even if it’s not necessary better anymore, they feel they invested too much of their life and money into this path, it’s unwise to throw it away.”
And they’re blaming the U.S. for their sunk cost fallacy which doesn’t make sense. Don’t like it, then leave.
Yes, it’s not the American dream anymore. But stop hating on the country where it still gives you better opportunities than your home country.
- Remember when the Southern US states started a Civil War because the Northern states wanted to restrict the amount of H1B’s from Africa.
- You don't have a right to work in the United States. You made a choice to come here and if you don't like it you can make a choice to leave.
You were not abducted at gunpoint and forced into a boat against your will. You were not crammed into a storage hold where many died in miserable conditions. You were not beaten to death if you complained. You were not physically whipped. You were not executed if you tried to escape. You were not forced to work without pay. You did not have your children forcibly taken from you and sold to the highest bidder.
FUCK YOU for even suggesting this comparison you are an asshole.
- Where did you learn yours? India? Oh yeah Indian schools have started teaching a sanitized version of pre British Indian history to make it sound like it was a paradise before the Brits got there.
Reality is that the Mughals were brutal Invaders who viewed the natives as inferior heathens and yes did sell them off as slaves.
But that doesn't gel with the current ideology that all India's problems can be blamed on the British. You need to pretend the Mughals were awesome so that you can imagine there were no problems until the Brits came along.
What's hilarious is that the exact same Indians who rage against the Raj insist on colonizing Kashmir and justify the occupation there by saying some unelected dead guy signed an instrument selling out his people in exchange for Indian soldiers keeping him in power. Kind of like the Brits justified their illegitimate rule in India by pointing to unelected dead guys who signed instruments selling out India to the Brits so that East India Company soldiers would keep them in power.
I think the Indian school system may have let you down. A more accurate but less dramatic history is that India got conquered by the Mughals and then by the British because it had problems, and neither rule was particularly healthy for the oppressed local population, though both did import some good institutions and technologies.
Life sucked under both and it's great that India now has self rule and hopefully you guys will make a great country. I don't believe in colonization, I believe democracy and self rule is always the only sustainable path to prosperity and in past centuries really few people understood that so life sucked in lots of places.
But anyway don't rewrite history, just move on.
- Here is a lightning history of the world:
Everything sucked for everyone for a very long time, they were everywhere oppressed. Then a couple thousand years ago in Athens there was a glimmer of hope, an idea that people could rule themselves, rather than be ruled. The idea of freedom.
Unfortunately it flourished only briefly and then was snuffed out by a foreign empire and then again for a very long time everything sucked for everyone everywhere.
But the idea didn't die, and it emerged again, this time in Western Europe. People there lived under horrible feudal systems but gradually they evolved towards democratic ones. Sometimes violently. Sometimes gradually. A few more times the idea was snuffed out, but it had spread to the people, and just kept coming back.
Then something changed, one nation revolted against the monarch and in 1776 finally established a democracy that survived and grew. The US Constitution was drafted, a document which reverberated around the world and everywhere people came to demand the same.
It hung over India when the people there eventually threw off the same monarch and demanded freedom for themselves. It hung over the streets of the Philippines in 1986 when people there poured out into the freeway and said no to tyranny.
At last there is hope for humanity, and the idea is spreading.
- The toxicity and hate towards H1bs in the thread is sickening. I’ve been to many developed countries and regions where some incompetent local people gather and chant to the immigrants “Go home! Don’t steal our jobs!” while the competent local people prefer working with the talented foreign colleagues to incompetent local ones. You can find who belong to the first type in this thread
- Just remember if Congress comes to power tax might rise to 70%. So if you are in US remain there.
- 21.3 Percent of U.S. Population Participates in Government Assistance Programs Each Month. Approximately 52.2 million (or 21.3 percent) people in the U.S. participated in major means-tested government assistance programs each month in 2012, according to a U.S. Census Bureau report released today
H1bs SS used for this .
- This is real slavery: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_slave_trade.
And that’s just historical. Here’s a sample of modern slavery: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-36416751
- Who said anything about hating. Just stating facts to make a point to you assholes who are entitled just because you were born in a certain place. It’s not the H1bs who are “entitled” when they demand some degree of fairness for fair work
- You did, quoted from your previous post:
“H1bs are paying significant tax dollars for the wellness of US citizens who can but don’t want to work, who use drugs in public and shit outside your company”
You just generalized all Americans as lazy, drug addicts who don’t know how to use a toilet.