HR1044 - Few pointers

Apple rzoI28
Aug 2 63 Comments

ROW is concerned about the increased wait time due to this bill. ROW is asking Indians why not increase GC so that it will fix problem for everyone. ROW resented that Indians are working on a bill which would harm ROW, but what they are not realizing is that Indians would love to have more GCs because even with HR1044 many Indians will be waiting for many years. So the problem is more deeper, and wanted to provide my learnings here as an education.

As an Indian, I would love to get 1m GCs for EB system suddenly tomorrow. There is a bill by Rand Paul S2091 which was created after HR1044 got approved in House. S2091 would solve the problem. But the bill has less than zero percent chance of passing. It won't pass for another decade.

The problem is adding 1 extra GC is really really hard. Why? Republicans are moving towards merit based + point based system, and democrats are interested in a solution for undocumented & DACA, without that they don't want to solve the problem for EB.

We need to understand both parties' views. Particularly, in democrats' view, undocumented and DACA have been fighting for a solution for really long time. Also they add value to the economy. So giving a solution to EB people while not giving any solution to undocumented and DACA is brutal to those people.

Increasing even a single GC to EB system will happen as part of comprehensive immigration reform(CIR). Nobody knows when it will happen, no major reforms were executed for the past 20-30 years. Per country limits are already harming hundreds of thousands of people. Especially its discrimination nature is not an American thing. So you can see most republicans and democrats are already agreeing that per country limits shouldn't be there in any future proposed immigration reforms including S2091.

So removing per country limits is an absolute minimum thing should happen as part of any CIR, and congressmen have arrived that mindset based on the learnings. Especially few of the congressmen expressed that they felt horrible when they learnt someone who is born today outside of India/China can get his GC 25 years from now while still people who came before him would be still waiting. That's one of the reasons you can see HR1044 got 365-65 votes, and its one of the few bills got bipartisan support. Even 140 republicans voted yes in house for that bill.

Removing per country limits is the only possible solution at this point. So it is not Indians' intentions to harm ROW. So having this understanding of reality should help anyone instead of feeling bad about a group.

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  • Oracle nbg68?
    OP you don't get it, it's much bigger than just removing country caps. It's about letting one race dominate one field.

    You are spreading misinformation by saying that Americans don't object to it. Any American who is in Tech and well-informed objects to this ( Even Fox news talked about this multiple times) because it lets only Indians (who have already demonstrated illegal preferential hiring practices ) to continue to dominate IT. This is NOT in the best interest of the country.

    https://www.brightworkresearch.com/enterprisesoftwarepolicy/2019/01/31/how-indian-it-workers-discriminate-against-non-indian-workers/

    The preferentially hiring practice is partly due to H1b entrapment, partly due to Indian attitude (cronyism, nepotism, bribes) and a genuine lack of tech talent.
    There are plenty of polls on blind on this topic and most Indians admit that this is a problem in the industry.

    https://www.teamblind.com/article/Is-Indian-Cronyism-a-Problem-wnTqjnzA
    https://www.teamblind.com/article/Young-unmarried-Indian-man-%F0%9F%98%A1-NLBHYD6j

    Even I support the removal of country caps, but only in the context of Merit-based system. In fact, I agree with what Tom Cotton said:" Workers should come in as Citizens, not visa workers because visa workers can be exploited" .
    IV talking point is that H1b is exploitative and I wholly agree!!! that is why the solution should not be to spread that exploitation to Non- Indian countries. Right now corporations are exploiting Indians stuck in backlog, HR1044 will put everyone in a backlog so that companies can now exploit all immigrants pitching them against American workers?? The talking points of IV are exactly why this bill should be passed.

    Tom Cotton's wants a merit-based system, fantastic !! let's help him go all the way. The only solution to this problem is for qualified workers irrespective of country of origin to be given a GC right away, no wait no backlog.

    A merit-based system will solve both DACA and backlog problem. Anybody who is qualified can apply for it and get a GC right away if most of GCs are awarded to Indians so be it.. they are clearly the most qualified.

    HR1044 is a scam pushed by IV and its scummy lawyer.

    PS: I AM NOT IRANIAN, it's INSULTING AND RACIST TO THE REST OF THE WORLD TO ASSUME THAT ONLY IRANIANS OBJECT TO THIS BILL. ITS A FALSE NARRATIVE THAT IV PUSHES TO MAKE IT LOOK LIKE ONLY ONE GROUP OBJECTS TO THIS BILL, IT CREATES A MORE TARGETED ENEMY FOR INDIANS TO FOCUS ON.

    ROW, EVEN CHINESE EB2/3 OBJECT TO THIS BILL AS DOES TRUMPS BASE(50% OF AMERICA) .
    Aug 2 10
    • Oracle nbg68?
      @Oracle, would love to hear what i wrote above is irrational or racist. Most Indians would agree with me on attitude of bad Indian manager as evidenced by the number of comments in the post and the poll.
      Aug 2
    • EPAM Systems ExplodingBanana
      Whut? Who "bins" a race? Let me look up the law again but last time I checked India is not only granted the same country cap as everyone else, but nearly 3 times the limit
      Aug 2
    • Oracle nbg68?
      I don’t know what that guy is saying? ha ha .. I blocked him and I only see “contents from blocked user”

      But I can guess what he is saying blah blah blah Iranian.. .. racist ... sounds about right ?
      Aug 2
    • EPAM Systems ExplodingBanana
      He basically says that a rule that applies the same to every country is racist towards India because not all of the 1.3bn Indians are able to get a green card and escape their failed state
      Aug 2
    • EPAM Systems ExplodingBanana
      Haha typical Indian ostrich mentality, if they can't deal with something they block it out hahaha 😂 That's how they ended up completely detached from reality with their wildly hated and surreal "fairness" bill 🤣
      Aug 2
  • Uber ndada
    As an Indian surprised and then made cynical by the RoW backlash:
    - the loudest people - the nohr1044 folks know this but they don’t care. They pretend to not understand. They just want their gcs and they’re ok keeping Indians waiting forever if they get their gcs. The status quo suits them.
    - Iranians in particular are in difficult positions. Due to the Muslim ban their pipeline is to obtain gc directly after f1 opt. This is why Iranians students mobilized online so hard.
    - some other folks e.g. Filipino nurses have their own pipelines which are borderline abusive. This threatens those pipelines and they’re bound to hit back when their own practices are threatened.
    - American citizens unless misinformed largely don’t care even if sympathetic. This doesn’t affect them.

    Republicans and Dems both have managed to turn this into a zero sum game.
    And people are always going to, in the end protect the status quo when it suits them. We’re guilty of this too - I have Iranian and friends - who were affected by the ban (they have gcs now) I was at sfo at the Muslim ban protest. But now when I might be separated from my wife and kids I’m fine pushing for hr1044.
    It’s sad but it’s how it is. You can’t ‘convince’ anyone to give up privilege. You just have to fight
    Aug 2 9
    • EPAM Systems ExplodingBanana
      ☑️ Filipino nurses
      ☑️ Privilege
      ☑️ Iranians
      ☑️ We were against the Muslim ban
      Aug 2
    • Google / Eng hoooli.xyz
      Neither did I know about the backlog when i came here. It's not just me. Even the CRS report agrees (check the report page 6).

      Look two wrongs don't make a right. Just because you have been treated badly with country ban (which is discrimination by country), doesn't mean you can oppose the ban because of discrimination by country and in the same breath say we want to retain caps so we can discriminate people by country of birth.

      This hypocrisy is so terrible and unprincipled.
      Aug 2
    • EPAM Systems ExplodingBanana
      Indians know a lot about hypocrisy. BTW who are you addressing with your comment about the country ban? Can't be me.
      Aug 2
    • EPAM Systems ExplodingBanana
      Where's the discrimination on the place of birth if the rule applies to all? Please explain
      Aug 2
    • Uber ndada
      Btw not trying to start another fight between 2 groups of people who have no votes and no outlet other than internets. Just pointing out at this point most are aware of both sides of the issue - and neither is ok with putting their interest behind the other
      Aug 2
  • Expedia Group / Eng hnAy18
    Here we go. Another topic that will be closed soon.
    Aug 2 2
    • Apple rzoI28
      OP
      Let's see. I just talked about the reality.
      Aug 2
    • Expedia Group / Eng hnAy18
      It's your opinion. Not reality
      Aug 2
  • Google cakey
    It's not that ROW is cruel, it's just that they know indian firms will game the system and ruin it fot everyone just like the h1b. H1b has no per country limit and it has to do lottery every year bc most are applicant from India. Same shit will happen to the GC queue if this bill passes
    Aug 2 1
    • EPAM Systems ExplodingBanana
      75% of H1bs go to Indians and look what happened to that program - total domination by bodyshops paying 80k/year
      Aug 2
  • Sprint mm287
    That 20% comes from any of the unused visas from any other countries.
    That’s not a special treatment. You can’t allocate fixed % distributions to each country when your criteria of immigrating is skill set

    A 10 year old kid born in Iceland today will grow up, come to US to pursue his/her studies and get a green card before an Indian or Chinese immigrant who was working and living in US since the kid was born. Now that is a special treatment! I am all for diversity when it comes to family migration but that is not a criteria when you are being allowed to enter this country based on your skill set. Also Diversity is not only created by green card holders. If tons of Indians and Chinese are already studying and working for 10-15 years and paying taxes on work visa then the diversity is already skewed if you are looking from a community point of view.
    Aug 2 6
    • Sprint mm287
      First of all an arbitrary cap on each country for employment based visa itself is flawed. I personally care less where the unused visas go. I don’t feel entitled to it but they are UNUSED so what do you expect USCIS to do with it? Throw away? It’s not as if Indians are getting unused visas when there are other countries that are also backlogged and need them during that fiscal year. So they get 20% only if all other countries have a demand for less than or equal to 7% only. I wouldn’t call that special treatment.

      Sad analogy but an apt one.
      if you have left over food that you can’t throw away and you see only 1 homeless person then you give it to that person. That’s not a special treatment
      Aug 2
    • EPAM Systems ExplodingBanana
      Ok so I got it right the first time.

      Getting 20% is not special treatment, but everyone getting 7% is racist towards India. 👍
      Aug 2
    • Sprint mm287
      I would not call it racist but unfair. You can’t reserve the same number of green cards for all countries irrespective of their size and population. If green card is employment based i.e. skills based then there should be only 1 line which is agnostic of where you came from . If you came first you will get green card before me and if I came first I will get a green card before you.
      Aug 2
    • EPAM Systems ExplodingBanana
      Green cards are not "reserved" they are capped at a percentage. As in "a country can't get more than 7%", not as in "we're reserving green cards for future German applicants".

      So, basically you want India to shut everyone else out of the EB GC program, due to their insane popularity count? And that would be fair? But allowing everyone a chance at a GC is unfair to you.

      By now you probably understand why it's you against the world.

      Good luck 🍀🤞
      Aug 2
    • Expedia Group / Eng hnAy18
      It's as unfair as unskilled H1Bs
      Aug 2
  • Apple pCwX52
    The wait is inhumane to say the least. Why are people here missing the simple point - utilize the unused green cards in the previous year to the backlogged countries in the following year after that. This will ensure that:
    1. Back logged countries get thier share.
    2. People from non backlogged countries dont have to suffer the extra wait if caps were removed.
    3. Gives a chance to uscis and dhs to the gc interview and filter out / revoke/ deny visas to those who have been staying illegally
    Aug 2 4
    • Oracle nbg68?
      This is already being done, that is why Indians get 20% of the quota not 7%.
      Aug 2
    • Apple pCwX52
      More than 80% of the green card is still going unused. Why dont they take them all and distribute amongst the back logged countries.
      Aug 2
    • EPAM Systems ExplodingBanana
      "backlogged countries get their share", uhm, you already do. You get 17% of the GCs while everyone else is getting 7%
      Aug 2
    • Apple pCwX52
      What do you mean by “you” 😂
      Aug 2
  • Sprint mm287
    The ROW people who are going to to be impacted with this delay are most probably not even in the US right now so who exactly is opposing on behalf of them ? The only one I know are some hospital association who are using green cards as a work visa to hire nurses
    Aug 2 5
    • EPAM Systems ExplodingBanana
      "The ROW people" 🤣

      That's "rest of the World". Means everyone but you generally. If it works for literally EVERYONE BUT YOU, maybe you should look in a mirror when you look for the problem
      Aug 2
    • Sprint mm287
      Wow such a simplistic response! when you count out Two of the most populated countries from the Rest of the world the is no longer EVERYONE . You are just reaping the unwarranted benefits of not being born in one of those two countries
      Aug 2
    • EPAM Systems ExplodingBanana
      Aren't you a special snowflake ... 🤣

      Why being a citizen of the most populated country in the world should give you any advantage? I'm lost here.

      Because it's not working for you it's not working for everyone else? Everyone else begs to differ.

      "ROW people" 🙈
      Aug 2
    • Sprint mm287
      Dude it’s you who as been taking an unfair advantage for all these years. When it is time make field even it is burning you. And FYI country caps are on place of birth and not citizenship

      Im telling you the the per country caps for skills based visa itself are wrong in the first place so it’s actually you who are taking the advantage until now . Both of us are equally skilled and I am waiting in the line well before you but you get the green card first because your Mom delivered you in Iceland instead of India?
      Offcourse it is working for you. Who wouldn’t want a free fast pass at Disney
      Aug 2
    • EPAM Systems ExplodingBanana
      Wait, who? Me? As in ROW? In other words "The whole world has been taking an unfair advantage". How does that work? Advantage over who? Which country in the world has received more green cards than India?

      So everyone born in a country outside of India is lucky? I might actually agree with this, but I think you're mostly frustrated because you realize the problem is you.
      Aug 2
  • Oracle nbg68?
    In the last 10 years citizens of India received over 280k greencards in eb1 to EB2 rows. China over 130k, SK 115k, and row much less. There is absolutely no discrimination.
    Aug 3 2
    • EPAM Systems ExplodingBanana
      There's discrimination against ROW, who can barely get their hands on an H1b, dominated by Indians. We need a country cap on H1bs
      Aug 3
    • Oracle / Eng I@M
      Yes, even many Indians want country cap on H1B. Please lobby and get this passed.
      Aug 3
  • New OEre21
    I think every possible position of this issue has been explored. Congress isn't willing to do the heavy lifting required to fix this. Neither side of this debate is about to change their views.
    The issue keeps lagging on many people's lives are affected.
    The urgency is on the side of those that are backlogged, and that's about it. For each month the debate rages, the status quo remains, IV raises more money, Fresco gets to keep his soap box and Reps get their photo ops to make them look good. More talking points are added to justify a merit based system but no real bill is proposed.
    Then April comes around and 65% of the oversubscribed h1b applications belong to Indians and stakeholders realize that the dysfunctional system isn't deterring skilled labor.
    That's the reality. It doesn't matter what RoW do or say if the US wants to change things, they will! After all, the diversity visa lottery was created for the Irish!
    Aug 2 1
    • Microsoft Tattle
      Perfectly described. The faster you make peace with the idea that nothing is going to happen that clears the backlog, the faster you can think about what to do with your future.
      Aug 3
  • Oracle / Eng I@M
    No point trying to convince others. Action speaks more than words. So stop trying to convince folks who won't understand and work towards what can be done.
    Aug 2 2
    • Apple UYgA64
      My article is not about convincing. It’s about educating. I saw few Americans who were against this bill got convinced once I told whatever I wrote here.
      Aug 2
    • Oracle / Eng I@M
      These kind of posts on blind just triggers trolls and doesn't serve any other purpose.
      Aug 2
  • Oracle nbg68?
    What ? Who is given a special privilege? Indians get the most number of green card every year at more than 20%, China is a distant second.

    1) did you know this ?

    2) what is the special treatment you are referring to ?
    Aug 2 2
    • EPAM Systems ExplodingBanana
      They can't explain. I've asked them multiple times how a rule that's the same to everyone is racist towards them. Best they came up with is "only Indians know" #trueStory
      Aug 2
    • Oracle nbg68?
      Lol I hear crickets after that
      Aug 2
  • Microsoft Tattle
    Oh you guys are fighting here again. Don't you folks realize S386 would never pass. Why bother?
    Aug 2 0
  • Sprint mm287
    Offcourse everyone knows ROW is rest of world. Student visas are not dual intent sorry. And if they are here for academics or employment then they were admitted/hired due to their skill set and not their country of birth. So why should they be given special treatment to immigrate based on where they were born?
    Aug 2 0
  • LinkedIn ferd
    Please keep fighting more on blind. That is what matters
    Aug 2 0
  • EPAM Systems ExplodingBanana
    Keep beating that dead bill, eer, I mean horse
    Aug 2 0
  • Oracle nbg68?
    It irks me that these jokers don’t realize ROW = rest of the world .. there are millions of international students (non indian) studying in Americans colleges right now who would potentially want to immigrate here.
    Aug 2 0
  • Oracle nbg68?
    How do you know they are not in us ? Most people who apply for gc are already here, they are students, temp workers, interns researchers etc.
    Aug 2 1
    • Google / Eng hoooli.xyz
      The system of country caps ensures that someone who is not born yet will get their green card before folks who are today in the line. That's exactly what he means by not in US.
      Aug 2
  • Oracle nbg68?
    Sprint: you have no clue what you are talking about. There is no 7% cap on emp based visas. Uscis language is very clear that the SUM of emp based visa and family based visa s cannot exceed 7%. The theoretical max in any one category is 70k in emp based assuming they get zero in family based.

    https://www.uscis.gov/tools/glossary/country-limit
    Aug 3 0

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