Ah yes, it’s because Asians have worse personalities.
Is this infuriating to everyone or just Asian-Americans?
- PagerDuty / Other FMLa88moreIt’s true though you Asians don’t even smile unless you’re American born. It’s a cultural thing I guess
- Color, race and language differences have nothing to do with intelligence and how far someone will go professionally. It’s a very narrow way of thinking. I know Asians who kick ass at work and some of the best brains in the industry. And they get paid much handsomely than an average westerner. And I also know some westerners who are really smart in what they do. At the end of the day, your intellectual mindset, hard work and persistence matters. Harvard, Stanford and other highly prestigious institutions should set the right example and follow high ideals in all their dealings.
- I'm not generalizing that they lack others things. I'm saying that in my experience, Asians (and their parents) tend to view the SAT as very important. By then focusing so much on SAT, they don't spend energy on other things that Harvard believes are important. So they get rejected by applying a mindset that makes more sense in a country where it is all about the entrance exam. Then there are all these rejected students with high SAT scores who believe blacks stole their spot.
- Meh, either way caucasians candidates lose out. Affirmative action and you lose spots to Hispanic/African Americans, race blind and you lose spots to Asians like in the UC system.
- Facebook StarburtHarvard won’t make or break someone these days. If someone is actually talented they’ll find a way to succeed without relying on their educational institution as a crutch.
- Asians: "if we don't go to Harvard, and end up at Columbia, our life is ruined. I won't be able to overcome this obstacle."
Asians: "Whatever racism black people face daily in this country is not enough of an obstacle to prevent them from achieving a near perfect score on the SAT. If their SAT score is 5% lower then that's racism"
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- Not every asian thinks this way, IMO only those tiger moms. I know a kid rip apart their diploma on graduation and tell the parents their relationship is over, never heard of again.
One I know just do high school tutoring after an undergrad from Cal, she has a phobia of competition after all her school work.Jun 16, 2018 1
- I won’t mind If these ‘highly reputed’ universities are more clear on their policies and say that we only accept applications from certain category of students, but it’s unfair to these Asian students that you let them apply ( so you can make money from the application fee) and reject them on unjustified grounds.
- Curious if African Americans are 95% why are they still such a small percentage at Harvard?
Not disagreeing with any of the points of discrimination against Asians at Harvard.
- The whole world is tilted towards outgoing extroverts.
The PIE model (look it up) even shows that your performance is only 10% of your expected success. Exposure and image combine for 90% of your outcome.
At illumina they actually instruct this model of success as the preferred culture in their “career development” videos.
- Hahaha true. I shouldn’t have said “the whole world.”
If it’s not clear from my original post, this PIE crap is a bunch of bullshit designed so that talentless uncreative and useless eaters get to take over and be in charge of things they know jack shit about.
- Harvard cares about more than just SAT scores because they want people who will be successful and donate money. Someone might have strong leadership qualities and a high SAT score and be more attractive that a student with even higher SAT score but whose leadership qualities aren't as strong.
Since many Asians make it all about the score, they sometimes fall short in these other areas that Harvard believes is important.
Today, the University of Chicago decided that SAT and ACT scores will not longer be required for US applicants. I expect there will be more colleges deciding to do the same because they don't want to accept 1600 SAT robots.
- You have to be pretty smart (or rich) to get into Harvard no matter what your race.
Kind of hard to draw deep insights from this CNN article since the statistical analysis approach of the court evidence is in dispute and I couldn’t find it online.
Harvard’s numbers are close to the population distribution of the United States with Asians having a higher proportion. Given how small the entrance class is and the large amount of applicants I’d imagine just about everyone regardless of race that is admitted are exceptional A+ students with very high test scores. So to sum it up I don’t know what the expectation is here...seems borderline click bait’ish. It looks like by the numbers Harvard is achieving fair and balanced admissions.
- It would be different if we were comparing 1000 to 1500. That’s easy to see. From the first article I posted.
“Harvard University typically requires applicants to be in the top 1 percent of SAT test takers....The estimated average SAT composite for admitted freshman is 1540 out of 1600.” So basically near perfect, they would have to look at other criteria since everyone basically has “perfect” scores. And whatever that criteria is they must be doing well to make up such a sizeable portion of the freshman class.
This feels like another one of those “I didn’t get in so it most be affirmative action or someone else’s fault even though the statistics don’t back it up” type of lawsuits we see every few years.
- There is a reason why high scores have high importance in the east. Foreign students from Asia come from very densely populated developing countries plus the education system is very different from the west and what it means is, they have to fight harder and score higher because for say, 100 positions in a company, there’s over 100000 applicants and because of the education system, the higher the score, better their chances are. In contrast, west has fewer students and more number of reputed universities and colleges and the education system is about practical knowledge than theoretical. So, when these students apply in western universities, they are coming with the old mindset which takes time to change. However, over time they adjust to it and are able to change their mindset and approach to education. Since, these Universities are well known to be global and encourage diversity, they should be more accommodating to these students and not judge them so quickly. Because if you look from a different perspective, these students are also entrepreneurial, determined and courageous because they are not afraid to try and even after their limitations, they are ready to give it a shot, they learn foreign languages (not every country speaks English) and communicate, live and work in a foreign country. How many westerns send their kids to colleges in Asian countries? Not even 1/100th the amount of students that come to US alone. Just think about it. I don’t disagree with you about the whole score thing, but you should also try to understand why it is the way it is. Is it fair for these universities to discriminate?
- I don't get your argument. Asian students don't bother to research Harvard and understand that Harvard cares about more than just SAT and therefore it's unfair that some of these Asian students are not accepted. Somehow this is Harvard discriminating against them?
But I thought they were so incredibly smart? They didn't bother doing research?
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- I think you misunderstood what the intention was. The society wants to see hope that people are not born into a good start or inherit into the privilege.
No one care if a rich Caribbean warlord kid got into Harvard. They want to see that instead of having every single Harvard kid comes from alumni and was linked to some old European money or white industrialist from New England.
People can tell skin color, but not childhood family fortune or struggle.
To me I think family income had more to do with upbringing than ethnic group. However the society look at skin color way more than it should have. So the establishment is trying to please the society this way.