Has feminism gone too far?

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May 26 41 Comments

Not aiming to be a loaded question. Just looking for an intuitive measure of feelings among tech workers.

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  • Microsoft
    BoomSauce

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    BoomSaucemore
    There’s feminism that everyone should get behind; like equality, stopping sexual harassment, right to choose, etc.

    Then there’s militant toxic feminism where you can’t open a door for a woman because she can “do it herself”. Or where all pregnancies are the man’s fault only. It’s the kind of feminism where men have to be punished in order for women to feel better about themselves.
    May 26 8
    • Uber / Eng ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°
      The militant toxic feminism is still needed. Women need the right to be overbearing assholes too. Saying women can’t be aggressive, dominant, insensitive, overbearing, etc is just enforcing gender stereotypes. Both good and bad things come with equality.
      May 26
    • Microsoft
      BoomSauce

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      Everyone already has the right to be overbearing asshats. Women and men. No one is saying women can’t be. But being an asshole just because you can doesn’t help your march towards equality and understanding. Feminism at its core is a great movement. Militant feminism however just hurts the cause.
      May 26
    • Uber / Eng ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°
      I’m saying that women don’t have equality with bad behavior. If a man is a jerk, he is just a jerk. Here, if a woman is a jerk, she’s destroying feminism.

      I’m not saying that feminism shouldn’t strive for an ideal of true equality and understanding across all genders.
      May 26
    • Microsoft
      BoomSauce

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      I’ll give you that. There’s a double standard there. Also when guys sleep around it’s cool. When girls do it they’re sluts. And that sucks because I actually like them.
      May 26
    • Microsoft / Eng headbone
      Mr bate,

      It might not be an issue with opening doors, but it is real when you say man up and they take it as offense, when you mansplain, manspread, and when you happily walk alone at night (they are mad about your privilege that lets you feel comfortable, despite men bring more at risk for violent crime). All that shit can piss off a lot of young women these days. It can and does get too intense.
      May 26
  • Unity / Data
    Mr. Bate

    Unity Data

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    Mr. Batemore
    What is too far? If anything, its not far enough. There is still a lot to go. Downplaying of sexually assaulted women, downplaying of men being raped in prison, pay gap (the remaining part after accounting for choice), normalisation of everyday harassment of women, court bias towards women in custody battles, the toxicity in handling emotional agony of boys and men, men AND women dictating and controlling women's bodies.

    We've come a long way, but there's still a very long path ahead.
    May 26 1
    • Amazon / Eng EmpireBldr
      I think you're taking feminism literally. I believe OP wanted to call out rise of number of women in tech, which is a good & bad thing. Good because it tries to balance a skewed ratio. Bad because in order to do so, the hiring bar is compromised in quite a few cases, hence giving the impression that someone was hired on account of being female.
      May 26
  • Amazon hot 🍞
    I think the problem is no one ever stopped to think when feminism should be over. A lot of women are trying to make careers out of it, but what happens when equality is reached?
    May 26 4
    • Microsoft / Eng nghtblood
      There's a long way to go before anyone needs to worry about that
      May 26
    • Uber / Eng ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°
      If equality is ever reached, then this question is moot. Do you currently worry about your equals oppressing you?
      May 26
    • Amazon dhvev75
      Equality can never be reached. There will always be something that can be added to expand the definition of inequality.
      May 26
    • Amazon PotatoSale
      ^ specially when your career and paycheck and bonus is dependant on it.
      May 26
  • New ftyugd
    Not far enough in terms of equality.
    May 26 1
  • Google datehelp
    none of us are free until all of us are free. there are many men’s issues that feminism can help bright light to as well.

    more men commit suicide than women. there are men’s issues that need to be addressed. men and women issues are probably interlinked in some ways.
    May 26 4
    • Google datehelp
      yes we want the same thing.
      May 26
    • Credit Karma EllisDee25
      The original men’s rights groups were an offshoot of women’s rights movements who saw solving men’s issues as tied to increased women’s liberation. But now people calling themselves this are just internet women-haters.

      Feminists do sometimes try to take on social issues that hurt men and women - but then get attacked and ridiculed. For example, “toxic-masculinity” is an argument about how men are pressured to act in ways that hurt women and lead to confidence issues and depression in men. But the “MRAs” read it and think... “what? Being a man is toxic... i’m going to doxx the crap out of you femanazi b*****!”
      May 26
    • Credit Karma EllisDee25
      Wow, you really don’t get it.

      Feminists do say that the social pressure on women leads to depression and other things - that’s the whole effort to make it not considered “unwomanly” to have a job or career or not “unwomanly” if you like sports and could care less about flowers and shit. Toxic femininity would be something like the pressure on women to both work and be a perfect nurturing parent; or the pressure to always be a peacemaker and repress your own opinions or needs.

      The parallel argument is that social pressures on men to conform to certain things also cause distress and dysfunction among men: toxic masculinity.

      Finally, for some semantics: “toxic” in “toxic masculinity” is a modifier, not an adjective. It is an attitude or outlook, not “someone”. It means a kind of masculinity that is toxic; it does not mean “men are toxic”.

      https://www.dictionary.com/browse/toxic-masculinity

      For example: it is not toxic to play video games or make friendly boasts. It is toxic that in our culture, men are taught to repress their feelings directly which leads many people to take out feelings of insecurity or anger or whatnot on random online opponents by bullying or even swatting them or whatnot.
      May 26
    • Credit Karma EllisDee25
      Sure, shaming could be called toxic and some feminists were like that back in the day. But that concept is pretty much non-existent among the majority of feminists today. You don’t want “be a perfect mother” or “be a perfect employee or career woman” and probably most feminists reject the libertarian/neoliberal “be both at the same time. The structural answer from feminists is that access to childcare and living-wage jobs removes this social pressure and allows parents (of both sexes) to choose their priority without economic or social pressure.

      The feminist groups who joined in coalition with evangelicals to shame porn performers and customers was also a toxic strategy imo. But I think most feminists are sex-positive today.

      TERFs have a toxic bigoted ideology imo... but most feminists reject them.

      These are all specific things... a toxic attitude/ideology, a toxic strategy, toxic behaviors... just as “toxic masculinity” is attitude or behaviors.

      My grammar point may have been fumbled, but I was trying to say that toxic masculinity is describing a certain specific conception of masculinity. Toxic masculinity is not interchangeable with “masculinity is toxic”.
      May 26
  • Uber gRtV35
    May 26 1
    • Apple PTSE75
      Well you clearly went to a trashy university.
      Jun 11
  • Procore tbradysuxs
    People should let people do want they want. If a woman wants to stay at home with her children, let he do it and shut your mouth. If a woman never wants children or get married and “lean in” to her career, let her do it. Women are amazing individuals and we should do what we can to ensure they can accomplish what they want without fear of judgement. The new feminism is starting to loose me because they are demeaning things such as child bearing and breastfeeding...yes breastfeeding. Some feel it’s unfair to say they women have an unfair expectation to feed their child and men don’t have any responsibility to do so. They feel we should stop supporting breastfeeding because it perpetuates a stereotype. 😐They are literally combating nature. It’s too much for me.
    May 26 1
  • Credit Karma EllisDee25
    Lol. No, not at all - there’s been 40 years of backlash against feminism.

    When there’s available abortion on demand; better benefits for working parents regardless of gender; universal free childcare, then feminism would at least be making some headway.
    May 26 2
    • Credit Karma EllisDee25
      Typical conservative love for “individual freedom”: full freedom for industry to do whatever, but make those people fall in line!
      May 26
    • Credit Karma EllisDee25
      Typical libertarian: full freedom for industry would work if only those people would fall in line.

      ...

      Typical liberal: easily mistaken for a conservative.

      ...

      Typical eco-Malthusian: nonsense

      ...

      Should I keep guessing?
      May 26
  • Google Pa3V9c
    May 26 0
  • Google !any-ist
    Too far for privileged tech workers.
    Not far enough in other cases.
    May 26 0
  • Roku
    pipe

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    Yahoo
    pipemore
    And there are these idiots whining about gender pay gap. If companies pay women less only based on gender, by all means that should not exist. Talking about tech, does that really happen? Look, this is the capitalist world, if you don’t negotiate, people are gonna pay you less, doesn’t matter male or female.

    Would you expect a tech assistant, cameraman, celebrity lead characters to get paid same in Hollywood(they all work the same)? How about fashion industry where women get paid more?
    You get paid more, if you can bring more money to the table, simple as that.
    May 26 0
  • Apple PTSE75
    OP, you are as stupid as the fringe-extreme-yada-yada “feminists”.
    Feminism is merely equality in every sense of the word. Has nothing to do with females,femininity or felines hehe.
    I urge you to read about feminism and do a bit of research.
    Jun 11 3
    • Amazon hot 🍞
      You sound low iq. My point is clear, at some point in time equality is reached and feminism must end, it doesn't make sense to exist forever.
      Jun 11
    • Apple PTSE75
      Feminism must end?
      K
      Jun 11
    • Amazon hot 🍞
      If the point is equality, and it's achieved, what do they stand for? That's like me starting a movement to breathe air for free, it's just dumb. Feminism jumped the shark and it's being propped up by women who made a career out of it because they lack real skills.
      Jun 11
  • Atlassian / Eng
    Luffy, M.D

    Atlassian Eng

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    Luffy, M.Dmore
    Define "feminism" and define "gone too far"
    May 26 0
  • Drive.ai zyz
    Check out this documentary: "The red pill"
    May 26 2
    • Credit Karma EllisDee25
      Is that a documentary about the making of “the matrix”? I love that movie - also cool that the directors are trans!
      May 26
    • Drive.ai zyz
      The analogy is related to the movie, but it's about a male rights activist movement. I don't want to spoil it or share my irrelevant opinion, but I seriously recommend watching it.
      May 26

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