Has high TC been worth it for you?

May 14 308 Comments

Those who moved from a slow environment to fast, has the high TC been worth it for you? Let's say if you moved from Microsoft/Cisco/Intuit to FB/Netflix/Amazon?

I work non-tech, TC is 5 digit. It's a laid-back company, consisting of middle aged employees (I am in my early 30s and considered young at my org) so everyone works 9-5. In 3 years, I have never stayed past 5pm. I spend my evenings with my wife and kid. Not much office politics, everyone is warm and friendly.

I am debating if I should leave this environment and move towards a higher paying job. Rat race in tech seems overwhelming. I see my tech friends working late, environment is toxic, there's pressure to perform, ageism is real, and they take breaks to avoid burnout. But they earn 3-5x than me. Is it really worth it? Can anyone who made such a move provide insights?

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  • Apple Jony
    What makes you think amazon and netflix is fast environment?

    For me its just much more than TC,

    With more responsibilities comes great power. And you get to work with some amazing talented people and make something wonderful and put it out there.

    Not sure if I can do that with Laid back mid 30s crowd
    May 1433
    • Alibaba / Eng
      baoz

      AlibabaEng

      BIO
      Why should anyone put a bio on blind? Who is your product guy?
      baozmore
      @python, you ever heard of the rust belt? Ever wonder why that happened? I bet you won't have any doubts on your choice if you fully understand the situation.
      May 15
    • Intel 1090SC
      Impact is not only measured in tech, a teacher, nurse, social worker are all essential ... arguably add more value ... but tech is narcissistic in its perspective of itself.
      I’ve worked on both sides of the fence and the tech rat race is not a healthy life for many folks with (healthy) families and communities. Work matters. Family matters. Compensation matters. But above all health.
      May 15
    • Thermo Fisher / Saleszeussical
      Exactly, 1090SC. I find it confusing when most people in tech think they make a difference in the world. I’m sorry but if most of the tech world disappeared tomorrow people would gnash their teeth but nothing fundamentally would change in the world, at least not compared to a teacher, nurse, doctor, social worker, etc.
      May 15
    • Microsoft no-sql
      ^ this. Doctors , nurses, veternery make more impact than stupid tech people
      May 15
    • Spotify thisnight
      For me it has been the opposite. I worked in an industry were we worked really hard for 5 digits, and everyone loved it and was super proud of what they were doing, staying late if necessary to do the best work possible. And then I moved to a tech company and everything is instead super slow and people to me seem less motivated but get paid a ton ton more.
      May 15
    • Apple toooooo
      @thisnight sounds like a game company. Hope things improve.

      The whole thing with WLB and TC really depends on each cases. I do not work more than 40 hrs a week, (except this week. Stupid build schedules :p) but I still find my work making impact in products I really case about. And after work, I get to enjoy time with my wife and friends.

      I do however want to say that for your career, you should always think about two steps ahead. Preprare yourself for what may come, so you can keep supporting your family and continue that lifestyle you are enjoying right now.

      (Life is an irony. You have to serve others to be served, sacrifice yourself if you want to be saved, and work harder if you want to keep enjoying your life... 🤣)
      May 16
    • Apple TdCx58
      I think about TC in more than just financial terms. Do I enjoy my day to day? Can I spend quality time with my family? Does my work provide flexibility? That being said, it’s also possible to get overly comfortable with ones surroundings and not realize that those things are all possible in addition to a higher TC. Not necessarily easy to achieve, but possible.
      May 16
    • Neurocrine python 4.0
      OP
      I agree on the impact part. I work on ensuring there is no delay in receiving drugs for Parkinson's patients so I presume the impact is higher than engineers designing YouTube recommendation engines. But they get paid significantly higher somehow.
      May 16
    • New / Data
      ternaryBit

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      Technology geek in Data Mining space, helping businesses get meaningful insight in data oceans.
      ternaryBitmore
      @python 4.0 your thoughts reflect a nature of humans, who typically follow Maslow's hierarchy of needs. At this point, you are looking for a new challenge that will bring you on the next level, and it's a good sign. However reality could be harsh, you can spend efforts to reach new heights at some expense, could be mental health or family relationships etc.
      May 16
    • Apple toooooo
      Impact doesn’t always translate to TC. Firefighters don’t get paid that much, for instance. Money is purely based on the market.

      It comes down to your happiness: do you want to feel fulfilled knowing you’re safeguarding the patients’ quality of life, or do you want more money?
      May 17
  • New vosk4
    If you have to ask this question, then you’re not ready to work at FAANG, or any high growth startup
    May 144
    • Salesforce tensorchic
      Not true. Maybe he's playing devil's advocate with himself and I think more people should do that
      May 14
    • Facebook GSWarriors
      He is asking a question, all you need to is stay quiet if you dont have anything to add
      May 15
    • Neurocrine python 4.0
      OP
      Thanks Salesforce and FB. I appreciate you standing up for me.
      May 15
    • Amazon moved2ms
      Someone making a decision to work at a slower pace for a lower TC is not an indication as to whether they’re ready for FAANG. I worked in FAANG for a decade. I seriously considered taking a huge pay cut and working a much slower pace. Instead I took a higher position at MS which has been rewarding. If OP has the will then OP probably will do great.
      May 15
  • Microsoft / EngGoivenglav
    I came from something of a disadvantaged background. Father died young from alcoholism and drugs and wasn’t in my or my sister’s life after I was 10 and she barely knew him. Mom got remarried to the biggest loser in the world, he’s never worked, and she continues to work 2 jobs with a chronic health condition. Tech began as an opportunity to not be miserable with the rest of my life because I knew I had to work, so I wanted to at least do something I genuinely loved. I never expected to move up the chain and set the bar super low to begin with, mostly because I expected that I wouldn’t make it. Whether I’ve made it yet, is still questionable in my mind, but it’s quite obvious that I’ve grown and adapted several times over and it’s been beneficial almost every step of the way. I’ve been able to help my family (mom and sister) who have both struggled with health problems and being stuck in low earning jobs. In addition I’ve been able to pay off my undergrad loans (after paying for grad school out of pocket while working), pay off my car (which I drive less often because Microsoft has employee transit busses, so I spend less on gas and tolls, which in Seattle adds up to a few hundred a month). I’ve got my 401K maxed out and am learning to invest to hopefully grow my retirement and nest egg. I don’t plan to retire early, I love building software, and getting into bigger companies opens up new technologies and opportunities. It’s not all about retirement, rather it’s just the quality of life and career that I’m always looking to step up in.
    May 154
    • Amazon saywha
      Thank you 🙏🏾 for your perspective
      May 15
    • VMware ItsAlrite
      You're the best
      May 15
    • New
      TimAppple

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      TimAppplemore
      You're positive and selfless. Glad that you found a different purpose than just TC.
      May 15
    • New wrqR15
      this!! I have a VERY similar background of humble(poor) beginnings and a a broken, toxic family situation. I feel lucky every day for the opportunities that tech has offered me, a guy with no degree who escaped halfway across the world to get away from family. I got a FAANG offer, I start in a month. I love the challenges, and I just don't segment life between work/non-work and work/retirement. It's all your life all 24/7 hours times 85 years. You decide what you value in life and you decide how hard to work towards it, the only "sin" is wishing you'd done what you really always wanted to do but didn't have the guts to try, be that FAANG success or something else
      May 16
  • Facebook public2
    Depends on your goal. Do you prefer fast pace and then retire fast or slow pace and retire late?
    May 148
    • OP
      Good question. I think the latter. Working at a slow pace, it keeps my health, family, my hobbies etc in balance. If I work hard now and then retire early, I would lose on good times with my family when we are still young, better bonding with my kid, a good social network. I don't want to be rich and lonely with few memories when I retire.
      May 14
    • Facebook public2
      Makes sense to me!
      May 14
    • LinkedIn rflagg
      Something to keep in mind is lots of money at a big tech company and work life balance are not mutually exclusive.
      May 15
    • Microsoft MMKy42
      Exactly. Microsoft pays some folks six figures to send out status updates.
      May 15
    • Neurocrine python 4.0
      OP
      That sounds good. What position is that at Microsoft where the hiring bar is low but I can get 6 figure (adjusted for cost of living where I currently stay).
      May 15
    • Microsoft laug
      PMs at MICROSOFT. When they can’t grow or change, they escalate to Satya. 😁
      May 15
    • Microsoft charli@
      Are you jealous 😜
      May 17
    • Microsoft laug
      No! To grow, I work hard and deliver results; I don’t escalate .😁
      6d
  • Rally Health FuPayMe$$$
    I think you are making certain assumptions that might not necessarily be true. High tc doesn’t always mean bad wlb. There are many companies which pay decently high tc for good wlb. It also depends on how you set boundaries with your boss and teammates. I think it’s worth making more tc with a reasonable wlb.
    May 1413
    • Capital One
      c1Lambda

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      c1Lambdamore
      Capital One also has great WLB especially in our DC HQ.
      May 15
    • Amazon SDE3Hire
      Amazon
      May 15
    • Facebook baklulu
      Amazon ? lol 😂
      May 15
    • Lyft / Engthingsand
      capital one definitely does not qualify for high tc.
      May 15
    • Capital One
      c1Lambda

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      Hello, I like turtles.
      c1Lambdamore
      But Cisco and Oracle do? Ok lol.
      May 15
    • Cisco Nxt4wb
      Lol. Cisco is a bunch of retired people that still draw a paycheck. Depending on the BU, they can pay pretty high.
      May 15
    • Amazon SDE3Hire
      Laughing because amazon is not high TC or not good WLB?

      Plenty of people that come well after 9 and are out by 6. It’s a huge company with very different expectations in different orgs.
      May 15
    • Microsoft no-sql
      Some teams in msft yes.. don’t think about that if you are planning to come to azure
      May 15
    • Facebook / EngETcF03
      Google obviously
      May 15
    • Google cALf77
      When I was there, Cisco had legitimately zero merit budget, so it’d take 5 years just to get a menial promotion and raise. Has that changed?
      May 16
  • Google aaaxc
    Try Google, likely you end up getting both life and TC
    May 1510
    • Neurocrine python 4.0
      OP
      Seems too ambitious
      May 15
    • Google Namesak
      Can you tell me which team provide life and tc. I would like to switch
      May 15
    • Google dhnff2544
      It's not too ambitious. At the end of the day, despite the external image the company and recruiters project, the bar for talent isn't particularly high. If you don't make it past the interview, it doesn't necessarily mean you're not qualified. We also let in plenty of questionable hires at all levels.
      May 15
    • SAP fleu
      dhnff2544, off-topic, but mind if I PM? Had some questions reg Google hiring. Thanks
      May 15
    • Google dhnff2544
      Sure thing. Glad to answer any questions.
      May 15
    • Google A Nani Mus
      I work for an Alphabet, and have 600K TC this year. I don't think I work any harder than I did when I was making 50K right out of school.
      May 15
    • Ticketmaster / ITGvB&$78
      ‘The bar for talent isn’t particularly high’ , really? Been trying for the last three years, non stop studying. I guess it’s easy for someone super smart.
      May 15
    • Google dhnff2544
      Like I said, failure does not mean you're not qualified. Great engineers get passed over all the time because the process is not perfect.

      Many people joke internally that they wouldn't pass the interview again, myself included.
      May 15
    • Google quix
      +1. totally agree with dhnff2544
      May 16
    • Neurocrine python 4.0
      OP
      Know a few people like @ticketmaster who are smart, knowledge but couldn't get through. I also know people on the other end who don't know much but somehow cleared the interview, maybe because they were asked relatively easy questions, or had an immediate opening etc. I guess I should just try my luck then m
      May 16
  • Google / Product☁️cloud
    Google has been quite intense in my experience. But I still work 8-5, sometimes 8-6. And religiously don't do anything over the weekends, so that I can spend time with my family. I feel that my attempt to keep WLB has negative impact on my performance ratings, but I could give less crap as it's not my priority in life. 😉
    May 150
  • Facebook / Eng
    jhjkkkk

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    jhjkkkkmore
    I was thinking along exactly the same lines when I was at slow paced companies in the midwest. I was usually one of the top performers at the company and never had to even give my 100%. I was content and turned down offers for interview w faang.

    Life happened and we lost our mom for illness while we were scrambling for money and my kid was diagnosed w autism which meant one of us had to stay home and give more care for him.

    wake up call. I finally realized that me relaxing put my family in a hole and started CTCI and LC . I luckily moved to NYC for FB job and now at Amazon. Honestly, I work about the same hours, but TC is about 3.5 times what it was 3 years ago. I always thought if u could make twice as much in more expensive areas and have to work harder it’s not worth it. However, if u make 3+ times more, I think it provides a lot of opportunities. Yes, it is a lot more stressful regardless of hours, but I am willing to grind it for my family.

    I am not saying you should change ur way of life. IF you have no money issues meaning, you live well below your means and saving for retirement (or if u have inheritance), by all means, enjoy the low stress job that pays the bill. If you are tight on money and unsure about your financial future or worried that if ur company wont be around in 15 yrs, do whatever it takes and get a job at big tech. U will make more, wife will be happier, kids will get to experience more things.
    May 155
    • Neurocrine python 4.0
      OP
      Thanks, very insightful especially coming from someone who moved from a laid back life in Midwest.

      So CTCI and LC is all it takes, really?
      May 15
    • Facebook / Eng
      jhjkkkk

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      jhjkkkkmore
      for tech, yes. for non-tech, it seems like the hiring is slightly more subjective (tech hiring still is...) and connections mean a lot more. Even non-tech roles make a lot at big tech.
      May 15
    • Intel Hunting
      What is CTCI?
      May 15
    • US Air Force afQd45
      cracking the code interview
      May 16
    • How was your experience at FB vs Amazon?
      May 16
  • New kdjC14
    I put work-life balance at a very high premium. However, work-life balance is more than your time off from work. For me, anyway, it's about this question: do you enjoy what you're doing during the most hours of the day? If you have a job that you are not excited about, and where you are not engaged, yet have plenty of time off, you likely will not be as happy as if you have a job that energizes you. For me, anyway, it's about maximizing the number of hours per day where you are doing what you enjoy, doing what gives you meaning and purpose. During work hours, that's having a highly creative job with a lot of autonomy. In my off hours, it's enjoying friends and pursuing my hobbies and fitness.

    In the several years, I've worked at Uber, a large insurance company, and Amazon. The job at the large insurance company had a maximum 37.5 hour work week, with three weeks of vacation, and TC in the six figures and a lot of flex time during the day. Yet, that job offered no creativity, and was very much a "mother-may-I culture." The work for me was boring, and although I enjoyed the extensive time off, I dreaded the projects I was working on. I could literally feel my skills atrophy. Contrast that with Amazon, where I am energized and enthused about what I do everyday, yet I am not on and insane work schedule, I find that I am a much happier person outside of work. If you're miserable or bored out of your skull during your work hours, I don't care how much time you have off, you do not have work-life balance or satisfying life. Even if you prioritize your family life over work, which you should, if you're miserable at work or just plain bored silly, you won't be as present and energized in your home life.At least that's just my perspective.

    Oh, and by the way, I'm in my mid-50s, so I haven't found ageism to be an issue-- at least not yet People always ask me how I'm able to land jobs in tech companies at my age. The secret is that all of my life I've kept my skills sharp, continued and continue to learn new techniques and skills and programming languages, and have a young at heart attitude. I'm curious about new things, still curious about life, and accepting of change. At the insurance company, I worked with millennials who acted older than people my age. It's all about mindset and keeping your skills sharp.

    And just have fun. Life is short.
    May 159
    • That was insightful thanks. I'm glad you had a good experience at Amazon. Many people do not
      May 15
    • New kdjC14
      yes. I heard horror stories before I accepted the job, and I almost didn't because of those horror stories. I think a lot depends upon the team that you are on. Also, it helps to be able to say that little word, "no"from time to time to set boundaries. :-)
      May 15
    • I am currently in that situation. I have a great offer from Amazon. 275k TC for 3 years of experience. I'm mortally afraid of starting there after reading all the horror stories on Blind. But your insight makes it sound like a much more normal company, some place I'd like to work
      May 15
    • New kdjC14
      A lot can depend on your manager, from what I've heard. What I kept going back to during my interview process was that I felt comfortable with my manager, and my manager's views on work-life balance. I was very direct during the interview process about the priority I place on work-life balance and I mentioned it several times during the interview process, as well as kept asking questions about it with everyone with whom I interviewed. I figured if the team was one of overwork and no time off, then they would realize I was not the best candidate for that position.Philosophically we also mashed. Before accepting the job, I insisted on interviewing several other people on the team. I found the teammates to be transparent and forthcoming about the culture, and the work-life balance on that team.

      So, my advice, would be to see how you feel about your manager, and be sure to interview other people on your team, and not just the people that HR in the hiring manager want you to interview.be upfront and clear about your expectations for work-life balance, and see what the reaction is. You'll be able to tell a lot from that. I also sought out people on LinkedIn who were in the same position title wise as I am at Amazon, and reached out to them directly. After evaluating all of the input, I finally felt comfortable taking the job.

      Good luck. I know that's a tough decision to make.
      May 15
    • New kdjC14
      Sorry about the links in the post. I have no idea how those got there. LOL! It's late here.
      May 15
    • Thanks a lot for the advice! Appreciate it 😊
      May 15
    • Shapeways CoddyCodd
      I need a mentor for my career development. Please be mine.
      May 16
    • Facebook / Eng
      jhjkkkk

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      jhjkkkkmore
      Just joined amazon from fb and had similar fears. It’s all about the manager and the culture of the team. I have the best WLB to date at Amazon
      May 16
    • Amazon KTUv41
      This resonates with me completely. I used to work for a large bank which was very similar to how you described your experience at the large insurance company. I’m so glad I left for Amazon.
      7d
  • Lyft McGee
    I’m retiring before 40 after two IPOs, so yeah it’s worth it.
    May 158
    • Neurocrine python 4.0
      OP
      Wow you are a lucky champ
      May 15
    • WeWork NewPlumbus
      Mind if I ask how much you are retiring with?
      May 15
    • Jet.com 123jet
      Yep, what is the amount we need to retire in USwith a family of 2 kids?
      May 15
    • Lyft McGee
      Moving out of Bay Area, $5M with a good portion of it tied up in rental properties.
      May 16
    • Salesforce Zed12
      Same, but I'll be retiring on much less. A little over $1M. But I'm living in a LCOL area. If you cut down on expenses a lot, you don't have to save up as much. I hope to buy a house for a little over $200k.
      May 16
    • Amazon damned
      You're retiring on 1 million, so I suppose you're single?
      May 16
    • Salesforce Zed12
      @damned I've got one kid and about to have two. I've dropped my living expenses down to $30-40k/yr following Mr. Money Mustache's principles. With a paid off house, it's not too hard if I don't go out to eat much. In my free time I'll probably do a startup or volunteer full time.
      May 17
    • Amazon damned
      I think a family of 4 retiring on 1 mil is too optimistic (assuming that million includes total net worth like real estate), but I don't know your situation well enough to say for sure
      May 17
  • Uber GavinB
    Yes. It's the same just that you get paid more. Why not do it.
    May 145
    • OP
      Does Uber have a good wlb and high TC?
      May 14
    • Uber GavinB
      Depends on the team. Some have decent wlb
      May 15
    • Uber / Engaodnfisj
      Pay is meh
      May 15
    • Most people at uber are just doing it till they can find the next thing
      May 15
    • Uber vKUp33
      Coming from someone that has been at IMB for 15 years in a slow boring environment.
      May 15
  • Salesforce / Eng
    HQLY00

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    HQLY00more
    I got paid today. Feels good honestly. Then wares off. Then next pay day. Feels good again
    May 154
    • New / Engblindor
      Who said salesforce is “fast paced, high TC” lol
      May 15
    • Salesforce / Eng
      HQLY00

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      Love salesforce my dude im chilling hard
      May 15
    • New / Engblindor
      Meh, Engineering sucks there
      May 15
    • Salesforce / Eng
      HQLY00

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      HQLY00more
      Agreed. Lol.
      May 15
  • Oracle seg fault
    Mark Cuban did not become wealthy by taking the back seat in life if that helps.
    May 154
    • Uber notDara
      what about the thousands of people that want to be like Cuban but fail? the front seat doesn’t always pay off
      May 15
    • Oracle seg fault
      He failed a lot before succeeding, and he worked relentlessly. Not trying is an automatic no which has 100% failure rate. But yeah, could happen which would suck.
      May 15
    • New / EngBsky
      Who is Mark Cuban? How many leets did he solve?
      May 15
    • Amazon nEYy06
      You’re not gonna become Mark Cuban working at a fully formed tech company.
      May 16
  • Amazon tzchar0
    I make 500k+. It’s nice and I never have to worry about day to day spending. I am not very materialistic but wife and I take nice vacations. We can also afford a house in Bay Area which is great.
    I’ve also gotten a lot more irritable and stressed from the work. I grind my teeth at night. My wife says I’ve become a lot more short tempered (and I notice the same thing).
    For me it’s worth the money, but if I weren’t in the Bay Area I might feel differently.
    May 144
    • Uber GavinB
      My wife said the same about me too ever since I started to chase that TC
      May 15
    • Amazon ChivalryAF
      Are you an SDE?
      May 15
    • eBay dtbnvz
      Saywha, can you elaborate?
      May 15
    • Pure Storage meemeep
      Yoe?
      May 15
  • Amazon / EngQVHz54
    I am making 7x what I was when I first entered the industry 13 years ago, 3x what I was pre-Amazon 6 years ago. My net worth is 20x what it was 6 years ago, we'd have never been able to save for our future this way if it weren't for my TC. That growth has allowed my husband to take more risks with his career and he's significantly happier for it.

    My work life balance is so much better than it ever was. Sure, it's faster paced in that I'm building more and doing more... But I also have the autonomy to prioritize what I do and how I do it. I used to jump companies every 2 years, constantly feeling like I was working really hard without much to show for it. Now I actually have more time with my family and feel like I'm actually accomplishing stuff during the time I do spend working.
    May 155
    • Jet.com 123jet
      Suprising to hear that you can have wlb at Amazon. People always talk about the toxic work culture there. Could you shed some light on how the culture is at Amazon?
      May 15
    • Is that multiplier mostly due to RSU appreciation?
      May 15
    • Google wqIe83
      It's possible to have good wlb at Amazon. You need to adopt to the Amazon work style/leadership principles, then you know what is expected and can deliver that with good wlb. It's really tough in the first two years while you are adopting, and then it's all good.
      May 15
    • Amazon / Engf!sstech
      Good and bad teams exist everywhere, the difference is what % of total they are. One company may have 1% good, another 30% good.
      May 16
    • Amazon / EngQVHz54
      bleatcode, yes, so obviously I don't anticipate this trend continuing forever but its changed my family's future in ways I don't think would've been achievable for us otherwise. There have also been promotion related increases but those alone wouldn't have made such an impact.

      123jet, like others have said, it depends on the team and I've been very fortunate. I've set some very firm boundaries and they've been respected in ways none of the other companies I've worked for in the past ever did. I think with my first team it was luck - I happened to end up with a great manager and he advocated for his team. During my time on the team I built really good relationships with my peers and leadership, so when it came time for me to move on I basically had my pick of managers and projects. I've switched teams twice during my time at Amazon and there have been really interesting teams that I've avoided simply because they aren't compatible with my lifestyle needs. When I was jumping from company to company I never could've been in so much control. There's nothing special about me other than luck having been on my side. Other than that I really think just sticking around, earning trust and getting to know people has made things so much easier for me.
      May 16
  • The correlation between TC and fast paced / high career growth isn’t always true fyi.
    May 148
    • OP
      Can you provide examples where it's not true like companies/teams? Do you know a lot of people who earn high in relaxed environments?

      It has been true for people I personally know.
      May 14
    • Adobe Pnqj67
      Adobe
      May 15
    • Google __human__
      Google is both great for wlb and pays well. I never work more than 40 hrs unless I am doing something exploratory that I would do as a side project anyway to push my own agenda.

      I think it's weirdly easy and chill, but I come from startups, so feel free to take that with a grain of salt.

      I feel like earning a lot in a very chill environment is somewhat of a game of either carving a niche where it is just easy for you to produce a lot of value for other people, or just getting in the gates above a coasting level (anything L4 or greater at google), being personable, making a good impression, and being good for the atmosphere so people just assume the best of you and keep your performance review good enough.
      May 15
    • Nvidia
      420_Blaze

      Nvidia

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      420_Blazemore
      A lot of C-Tier tech companies work the fuck out of you and pay shit. Jumping to Nvidia for me resulted in way higher pay/less stress. Don't get me wrong, it's fast paced, but Nvidia is not shitty about it.
      May 15
    • Neurocrine python 4.0
      OP
      What team, Google?
      May 15
    • New / Ops
      tooQ10

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      tooQ10more
      @420_Blaze - I work for one of those: Rakuten. It has destroyed my self worth to the point where I don't think I can ever look for another job.
      May 15
    • Nvidia
      420_Blaze

      Nvidia

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      420_Blazemore
      No worries man! Didn't think I could either, I was so beaten down and discouraged. I said fuck it, applied to Nvidia with no references and somehow got an on-site interview. During my interview, I was just myself, didn't even think of my shitty current employer. It was great. One week later I got the job! It's been incredible ever since 😎
      May 15
    • New / Ops
      tooQ10

      NewOps

      PRE
      Rakuten USA
      tooQ10more
      @420 - Nice! I was actually looking forward to working at Rakuten when they acquired the start-up that I joined right out of college. I had no idea they would be as awful as they have been. I would have started looking right then, when I was still under 30 and more marketable. I got my master's and doctorate in my off hours while working here, but those don't make up for advancing age and declining pay. I might drop the rat race and go for academia instead.
      May 16
  • Splunk darkdang
    From your post I can assure you the rat race is not for you.
    May 150
  • Microsoft
    🤴king🤴

    Microsoft

    PRE
    Cubic
    🤴king🤴more
    Bro, come to MSFT and make 2-5x more and still see your family.
    May 153
    • Neurocrine python 4.0
      OP
      What team? And how do I get through the interview? Also, why would Microsoft even call me when I have a non tech background?
      May 15
    • Microsoft RuJN01
      ^^ OP seems you are working hard on why someone shouldn’t hire you. Just to basic search - So many people at Microsoft do non technical work.
      May 15
    • Facebook deus
      I hope Microsoft has more Bay Area openings in a few years when I want to relax more.
      May 17
  • New / Product
    VeniceLA88

    NewProduct

    BIO
    Mostly startups. Interested in exploring new opportunities in Los Angeles.
    VeniceLA88more
    I do jack shit most days and have average TC (200+). Not high, but I’m happy with it. Will probably move to something else in my 30s out of boredom
    May 152
    • Where do u work with that high tc? And how many yoe and what job title?
      May 16
    • JOANY / Mgmte^(iπ)+1=0
      200+ in product in Venice in your 20s is nowhere near average.
      May 17
  • Google / Salesmeatballer
    Mo money, mo problems, as the ancient adage goes. But it's really true. It's also addictive. Once you start making the big bucks it's hard to go backwards, so don't do it if you're happy.
    May 150
  • Nvidia AWhimAway
    It's great that you're prioritizing family. I believe that is the right choice.
    Two sides to this:
    1. Does the company and area you're in look good for the next 20-30 years?
    2. Do you think you can find better paid roles with similar work life balance?
    If the answer to those questions are Yes and No respectively, then keep doing what you're doing.
    If the answers are anything different you should reevaluate your current job.
    May 140
  • ConsenSys / Engdackjorsey
    We’re all wage slaves
    May 151
    • MGM Resorts joTz32
      In the dope show.
      May 17
  • Salesforce tensorchic
    Go for it, see if you like it. If not, come back. Life isn't lost. You learnt more about yourself. In the upside that you like it, great!

    One thing which isn't mentioned here- you need to have this conversation with your wife and see that both of you are prepared for what this might entail. Don't go in without thinking about this together - plenty of divorced people in tech and you don't want to be a statistic.
    May 140
  • New / Ops
    tooQ10

    NewOps

    PRE
    Rakuten USA
    tooQ10more
    Stay where you are. I work in a semi-tech job that's pays like yours does, but with the pressure and long hours and bullying and KPI demands that you might expect at a job that pays six figure salaries.

    If I could change one side -- get paid more, or have a stress free life -- I know I'd choose less stress. Working at a high stress company just ruins you in every way: health problems, low self esteem, perpetual feelings of worthlessness; you can't quit or job hunt because of the above.

    I'll keep my ordinary 45k TC but take a stress free version of it, please.
    May 159
    • Microsoft vxefcdrvsw
      Which city do you live in? Have family/kids?
      May 15
    • New / Ops
      tooQ10

      NewOps

      PRE
      Rakuten USA
      tooQ10more
      Tokyo. Only wish I had kids; I suspect the clock has run out.
      May 15
    • Neurocrine python 4.0
      OP
      Why did you delay kids? Were you unsure, not financially stable, didn't have a great partner, or anything else?
      May 16
    • New / Ops
      tooQ10

      NewOps

      PRE
      Rakuten USA
      tooQ10more
      She had huge credit card debt for years and was never ready to attempt to conceive. I never considered breaking up because I couldn't imagine being able to find anyone else. I'd give anything to have a kid now. Even being in debt slavery is better than dying childless for me. But at the time, not marrying into that kind of financial situation seemed like the prudent course.
      May 16
    • Oracle lHEA77
      Have you considered adopting?
      May 17
    • New / Ops
      tooQ10

      NewOps

      PRE
      Rakuten USA
      tooQ10more
      @IHEA77 - no; raising an adopted child would only remind me that I wasn't good enough for her to commit to having our own child. I'd rather just spend time with our nieces (my side) and nephews (her side).
      7d
    • Starbucks / Engimmakat🐰
      How old are you? And are you Japanese? Reading you comments alone depresses me :/
      7d
    • Yeah this is a pretty negative take, have confidence in the child you adopt and your own skills. Raise them as if they were your own.
      7d
    • New / Ops
      tooQ10

      NewOps

      PRE
      Rakuten USA
      tooQ10more
      @immakat - I'm not ethnically Japanese; father served in the military and I came back when I got a job out of college. I'm just past 40 now.
      7d
  • Uber / EngDgoQ22
    It’s not about tc, it’s about impact. Usually jobs with higher tc also comes with greater impact and responsibility. I can’t get that at a 5 figure tc job.
    May 154
    • Google / Engrelprime
      Yes, you can. Public sector.
      May 16
    • Walmart.com taxhole
      Teacher. Low TC high impact
      May 16
    • Neurocrine python 4.0
      OP
      Agree. I work towards ensuring no Parkinson's disease patient is left without a medication. I think my work has a high impact but low TC.

      Also, environmentalists (I know a few) have high impact but low TC.
      May 16
    • Uber / EngDgoQ22
      It depends on your view of impact I guess. My personal view of impact is greatest change brought to the most people in the society. Teach is a noble profession, much like other professions like doctors etc, they affect lives deeply, so if you like to have large effect on a few lives go for it. Personally, my preference of impact is biggest change * biggest number of people, and tech does usually do change how we live our lives.
      May 16
  • Amazon OTdS88
    Yes but only in that I can retire earlier. Other than that it's a definite no
    May 154
    • Amazon YehAlright
      If you’re spending your best years doing something you don’t enjoy only because you want to retire early, you’re doing it all wrong.
      May 16
    • Amazon OTdS88
      Maybe for you, not everyone has the same priorities
      May 16
    • Yelp / EngsJJv80
      If I could make enough money to pay off my debts and achieve financial independence doing something I enjoyed so much I’d do it regardless of TC, I’d be doing that.
      May 16
    • New / Eng
      CnfusdSprm

      NewEng

      PRE
      Starbucks
      CnfusdSprmmore
      I enjoy making money,
      May 16
  • GE / EngMammaMla
    It's not one or the other. You can make 80 doing little, 300 burning out, or something in the middle working hard but not at all crazy. I chose the last option and it's definitely working out for me.
    May 150
  • Netflix login
    Money and stress don't "always" have to come together. You can have high TC but still laid back and low stress job.
    May 156
    • Facebook / Engcuddle.me
      Little ironic coming from a Netflix guy
      May 16
    • Netflix login
      Yep. I have learned to avoid stress and now I can say that high TC doesn't have to always come with stress.
      May 16
    • Facebook / Engcuddle.me
      Is it possible to be stress free at Netflix? I have onsite coming up
      May 16
    • Netflix login
      Not stress-free, but possible low stress. But it only comes after a combination of couple years of experience, know how figure out the politics, and shift the mind set to "dont give a F".
      May 16
    • Facebook / Engcuddle.me
      There are politics at Netflix? 😳
      May 16
    • Dropbox / DesignxAAB62
      Can you tell us more about how you shifted to that mindset? Curious as I’ve been working on that.
      May 17
  • Amazon hhdA46
    My dad was a workaholic. Used to get called in the middle of the night and had to run to office if there was something wrong in a oil refinery ...

    I witnessed all that as a child. As a child I didn’t like it. He didn’t like it.

    Now he has retired. But even now he doesn’t know what to do with his time after having worked so late and so many hours. He still finds gigs to keep him busy ...

    When I asked him about this he said — for hard working people just relaxing after retirement is not a possibility. Your body is not used to that. He is healthier if he works more and sicker if he works less.

    I think it needs to be paced well. I know that I am going to keep working for a long time even if I have enough money. More money just allows me to do things that I couldn’t otherwise and tolerate less bull shit in office.
    May 150
  • Microsoft / R&D
    kintaro

    MicrosoftR&D

    BIO
    Synbio = future, nothing less.
    kintaromore
    First 6 years are critical for child development.
    May 151
    • Oracle seg fault
      Agree. I spent mine outside naked eating dirt, riding 3 wheelers, and shooting birds with my BB gun.
      May 15
  • Microsoft youknowme!
    In my 20s I was chasing the money like crazy. I spent 70 Hours evey week and ran into burnout with 30. Then I awoke and realized that live is much more than money. Free Time is much more worth than a few bucks more in your pocket without time to spend. Today, i‘m in my mid 30s, earn more than ever before for 2-4hrs of work a day. Interestingly i‘m even more successful. But i know that I have to change when i turn 40, as tech doesn‘t mean anything for me. I don‘t give a shit to what we’re doing...most activities from a day to day perspective are completely senseless. What you gonna tell your kids in your 70s what you‘ve accomplished? You increased margins and sold / built more of which product that already doesn’t exist anymore? Wow...

    I like Microsoft but the shit we‘re dealing with in Tech is very often so pointless that I have to quit that one day, unfortunately... but the rat race is moving faster and faster and i‘m getting tired of it and all the BS politics
    May 170
  • Magic Leap leapguy
    I moved from a slow paced, relaxed company to a fast paced, stressed-out team. I enjoy the new role more but it's bad for my health and I feel like I should leave.
    May 141
    • Intel / Engmr_pleb
      What's creating the stress ? Too tight deadlines, bad tech, bad managers ?
      May 15
  • Amazon / Financeggrrddee
    I have worked at Amazon a fair while. I did work for different companies in the past. I'd say they all cook with hot water. The fast pace/impactful project thing is relative. Sure if you invented Google search then you made a real impact on many. But if you do some really impactful stuff in a 9-5 role for a handful of customers only, it might a huge impact on them still. It's all perspective.

    If your company will likely keep in business for another decade, I'd stay. High TC and long hours on corporate projects ain't make you happier.
    May 150
  • Adobe Zxcvbasdfg
    I switched from Adobe to Apple. The jury is still out. As a parent with a small kid, I missed Adobe’s wlb and benefits. I was definitely happier when I was with adobe. I had extra time to explore my hobbies and spent time with my kid.

    It’s hard to say if I regretted it. The extra money is nice and I also feel more marketable for the next step in my career.
    May 140
  • Microsoft blinkd182
    It all depends on the team too. All of those companies have fast and slow teams
    May 156
    • Microsoft U_U
      Dude, you wanna come to blink 182 concert happening near us in August?
      May 15
    • Microsoft blinkd182
      Are you talking about outside lands?
      May 15
    • Microsoft U_U
      The one in auburn with lil Wayne
      May 15
    • Microsoft U_U
      It's a 40 min drive from here
      May 15
    • Microsoft blinkd182
      Lol outside lands also has lil Wayne playing with blink 182 😮. I’m by sf
      May 15
    • Microsoft U_U
      Ah okay. I thought your were in Microsoft Redmond. Have fun there!
      May 15
  • Amazon iglooih
    If you are in a low cost of living city working for a company that will be around for 10 years and in an industry that will be around for 20 years, you can keep doing what are doing.

    If you are in the Bay Area or another high CoL city, first of all you will rapidly lose your self worth as you age if you don’t get competitive salary, and you will never be able to afford a decent house in a decent school district or will be able to save for retirement.
    May 153
    • Google / Engrelprime
      Ageism varies even among high CoL cities. The Bay Area is an anomaly.
      May 16
    • Amazon iglooih
      Anomaly in what sense?
      May 16
    • Google / Engrelprime
      Ageism is worse in the bay area. Then again, it could just be my personal experience since I changed employers when I moved.
      3d
  • Cisco / Eng
    Kool aid

    CiscoEng

    PRE
    500 Startups
    BIO
    All good things
    Kool aidmore
    It all depends on what makes you happy, And that thrilling feeling in the heart, and that sense of accomplishment of either achieving your milestones or helping others succeed in their dreams. In the end even if you are in 3 comma club, people will strive to make social impact and make themselves happy because money doesn't matter to them. If you have less desires, you can live happily in whatever income you get. But if you burn your health becoming a millionaire or retiring early, you may not have the energy to enjoy the money you earned. Health, maintaining relationships, cherishing friendships, taking care of family are always good goals to achieve no matter where you stand on the world pyramid.
    May 160
  • Amazon KULL00
    I prefer both fast paced and higher TC so the question seems weird. Fast does not have to equal long, if you’re good.
    May 142
    • Amazon cnnfox
      But you’re getting fast paced only, right?
      May 15
    • Amazon KULL00
      Me? No, I got a good offer.
      May 16
  • Zynga 2blind
    Are Microsoft, Intuit, Cisco on the same level?
    May 159
    • Cisco 736285839
      We’re making a strong comeback, but Microsoft still > Cisco = Intuit

      Don’t understand how we have such a terrible rep here on blind though lol
      May 15
    • Microsoft vxefcdrvsw
      MSFT culture has changed a lot under Nadella.
      May 15
    • Cisco 736285839
      Yes that’s what chuck is doing too.. msft was in this same situation as Cisco few years ago but rebounded strong - feel like we are almost there too
      May 15
    • Cisco Nxt4wb
      Lol. No we're not. Cisco hasn't changed at all.
      May 16
    • Cisco 736285839
      50% increase in stock isn’t a change? Being ahead of all those trying to eat market share (besides zoom) isn’t a plus?

      Why you still here if you don’t believe in future? There’s a million other jobs out there
      May 16
    • Microsoft YuGiOh
      No they're not. Microsoft and Amazon are on the same scale.
      May 16
    • Cisco Nxt4wb
      Chuck hasn't been changing anything major. We still have 5 products that compete directly against each other in the market and sales actively fights internally instead of against competition. We don't make major bets in the future, instead we live of product lines that are getting very long in the tooth and competition is working to pass us.
      May 16
    • Amazon KTUv41
      Microsoft should be in the 2nd group with Amazon
      May 16
    • Microsoft no-sql
      Microsoft may have slight edge over Cisco if u are joining azure. If you join legacy org I believe it should be same. Ms is no way equivalent to fang but significantly behind other tech companies like nvda, Vmware, pstg, panw etc in terms of salary benefits etc. I would say it is lower tier 2 considering fang type tier 1 . Cisco is higher tier3
      May 16
  • TransferWise vpGV11
    Yes. I spend it all on alcohol and prostitutes.
    May 163
    • Shapeways CoddyCodd
      I'm Going To Build My Own Tech Company With Blackjack and Hookers
      May 16
    • TransferWise vpGV11
      I’ll apply for a job there rest assured
      May 16
    • Apple / EngIWgi56
      I’m down too. Can I be CBJHO (chief black jack hooker officer)?
      May 17
  • Microsoft
    xigocato

    Microsoft

    PRE
    Amazon
    xigocatomore
    Independent of the TC, you have to first be happy at what you do. I moved from Amazon to Microsoft for 30% raise, better WLB yet I missed the Amazon way of work...
    Even my wife is telling me “before, you arrived happy from work, and now, every time I ask you how was your day it like: Nah, it’s ok”
    So... maybe you are happy doing 9-5 at your company, but maybe would be happier 9-6 at another... and if that other pays you better, go for it!
    Your family will appreciate your joy and the extra money, but maybe it comes with a cost of less time.
    May 152
    • Microsoft / EngGoivenglav
      Microsoft WLB is great. But I have to agree, I appreciate amazon’s work style better, though I’ve never worked there, so can’t be sure. I appreciate rigorous attention paid to the project as opposed to here is the work that got passed down the chain to each little mouse. I assume amazon is the former, while the latter (MSFT) is draining just due to the meetings, and the poor communication structure, and separation of orgs that have common goals.
      May 15
    • Microsoft
      xigocato

      Microsoft

      PRE
      Amazon
      xigocatomore
      Exactly that! I feel that I lose so much time fixing the color and fonts of PowerPoints instead of coding or brainstorming.
      Everybody has to be onboard before we move one foot, and meetings are endless and get to nowhere precisely because they don’t read beforehand...
      May 15
  • Capital One AWRM27
    I worked a business type job, before starting as an engineer in a small-medium size agency, then in less than a year switched to a big tech company and now I guess I’m sort of in a tech company (?)... but looking back the most stressful job was the agency, might have just been the one I was at but it was the worst in terms of work/life.

    IMO being overworked and stressed is usually a personal issue- for the most part you’re either in over your head and won’t admit it or you’re just on a bad team. Companies will pray on young hungry subpar talent because they know they can squeeze more hours out of them without complaint.
    May 150
  • Intel chilmonger
    It depends on whether you want to spend quality time with your family in your 30s or late 40s. Simple.
    May 150
  • IBM olkh
    TC is the meaning of life, there is no other reason worth living
    7d2
  • Collective Health AsdP01
    Use the chill job and work on your own project on you free time. Don’t be a sheep and join mayhem
    May 161
    • Facebook m4ch3t3
      I did this through my 20s and found that I didn’t do a lot of work on my own projects and instead drank a lot.
      May 16
  • Microsoft beetle2018
    I left a slow paced job to move into the tech industry. What I’ve found is:

    1) at a certain level, nobody cares about your hours, they just care that you get your work done. There are folks chasing promotions and titles, but there are plenty of employees who just want to do a good job and then go home to their family. Just don’t be a slacker.
    2) if you’re “non tech”, your experience will be different than the SDE/SWE experience. Not good or bad, just different.
    3) you can very easily do a few years at one of the big tech companies, then go back to a slower paced, midsized company in a comfortable management position because you have that good experience on your resume.
    4) you probably will not want to go back to slow paced environment.
    5) save your money, let your stock vest, then move to a lower cost of living area.

    Just my two cents.
    May 161
    • Microsoft / R&D
      kintaro

      MicrosoftR&D

      BIO
      Synbio = future, nothing less.
      kintaromore
      5 is a strategy I'm seeing more and more of.
      Goes kind of like:
      Save money, become senior, move to exploratory projects, move to the Midwest and work from home :)
      May 16
  • Ellie Mae zucL13
    You can also choose to do different things in different phases of life. When my son was little and my wife had started work after a hiatus of 2 years (because she was taking care of our son), I took a job which allowed me to spend more time with my son so that my wife can rebuild her career. Now our son is in college so both my wife and I can again work in a fast paced environment. You don’t have to do one thing for your entire life. Go for an optimum solution.
    May 151
    • Neurocrine python 4.0
      OP
      You and your wife seem to be great partners. Jesus bless 😇
      May 16
  • Facebook / Enginstandidl
    I love SF. So it lets me live comfortably in SF which is totally worth it for me.

    I don’t slave away. 30-40 hours a week has been standard for me.
    May 160
  • Microsoft bruuuu
    High TC is totally not worth it if you don’t find your work interesting or you find yourself burnt out. If you’re comfortable with your TC just chill my dude. I learned that lesson the hard way by jumping to a relatively high paying gig at Microsoft and now I got two managers and a product I’m just not that into. What good is the nice TC if you get the Sunday scaries and dread going in.

    But then again, being jobless and/or broke in the US is horrible so if your home life could benefit from the TC boost then it’s totally worth it. Use your judgment :)
    May 160
  • Google / Engsss12222
    You be you dude. Don't try to force others to think like you 😉 I love high TC.
    May 150

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