He was given the min sentence of 15 yrs for smuggling 500lbs of meth. He appealed claiming unfairness. The court agreed.

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  • New / Eng 😆 smiley
    Canadians and Americans don’t seem to understand how severe the consequences are for drug smuggling in Asian countries. It’s the reason why Asian countries don’t have as big of a drug problem as Western countries.

    This is severe yes, and they’re also making an example for future drug smugglers. There are no gray areas in drug smuggling. It always ends in the death penalty in Asian countries regardless of who, what, why.
    Jan 15 17
    • Amazon / Eng n0v
      Courts hold accountability within the law. Courts have held up the law. Your grievances may be instances where most people feel something morally wrong occurred (myself included), but the NRA (for example) is generally lobbying within the law. Not liking the laws is different from not upholding them due to political direction.
      Jan 15
    • Uber nfny
      Oh they do now do they? How about due process from getting shot through the door by a cop that got the wrong house, and your own family needing to mop up the blood while the cop goes on with his job and life? What does the law say about this? What does the court do? What does the law say about high treason? How about unconstitutional invasion of privacy? Does the court do anything? If not, is it equally corrupt, weak, and exist only to oppress the common citizen?
      Jan 15
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      The US judicial system is not really independent. It is also influenced heavily by politics and money.

      In this case, the prosecutor decided to appeal with new evidence suggesting the seriousness of the crime, and probably sought death penalty. It doesn’t really prove that the court was politically motivated. The penalty for >1kg drug trafficking is 15 years to death penalty so both sentences are within the law.

      Even in the US there are some politically motivated prosecutors such as Mueller.
      Jan 15
    • Amazon Jеff Bezоs
      Maybe US should send Meng to a Texas prison and then execute her for aiding and abetting terrorists. Or Guantanamo. That would teach them a lesson.
      Jan 15
    • Uber nfny
      Selling smartphone chips to Iran is aiding and abetting terrorists, I see. How about all the aiding and abetting of Saudi Arabia after they spawned the majority of the 9/11 hijackers? Ready to send the relevant administration to the firing squad or Guantanamo to teach a lesson too? Or maybe dismemberment by, say, a bone saw?
      Jan 15
  • Microsoft AngryElf
    China knows how to manipulate weak western democracies.
    Jan 15 11
    • Google FazanJ
      Yes the documentary displays difficulties they were having which leads one to today where they are sending over their own people.

      Are you a Chinese nationalist or something? Stop spreading pro Chinese propaganda and educate yourself.

      Also, they are literally putting muslims in concentration camps. Evil empire.
      Jan 16
    • Uber nfny
      Ah, here come the labels, red herrings, and attempts to silence differing opinions, ironically from someone that appears to value the freedom of speech and thought.

      Later.
      Jan 16
    • Google FazanJ
      Yeah I figured you'd stop spewing propaganda once I brought the literal CONCENTRATION CAMPS up. China is not the good guy.
      Jan 16
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      Whether or not China is evil, the fact remains that this guy is getting the appropriate punishment as per their law.

      This shouldn’t be news. Why didn’t anyone make a big deal with all the other foreigners and native Chinese citizens who regularly get a death sentence for drug crimes?

      Follow the rules of the country or GTFO
      Jan 16
    • Uber nfny
      I’m inclined to end the conversation because you’ve taken a discussion about what constitutes colonialism to “yeah but they also did xyz hence everything I said about every topic is right”.

      Concentration camps are evil and wrong regardless of who or where, not contesting that. But you’re bringing that up as a way to distract from your otherwise losing argument, and add to it thinly veiled personal attacks. I’m too old for this kindergarten level fight.
      Jan 16
  • Expedia gurgle
    US allies like Singapore and Saudi Arabia have laws like this as well.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_for_drug_trafficking

    Count the number of US allies.
    Jan 15 18
    • Amazon / Eng n0v
      250
      Jan 15
    • Microsoft AStrong
      it's 二百五,learn it properly you uncultured swine.
      Perhaps next time when an Asian girl rejects you you can use the right term to call yourself.
      Jan 15
    • Microsoft lalalond
      AStrong, I was liking your comment until the last one. That is how you lose the argument which you had been winning.
      Jan 15
    • Uber nfny
      Agree. Was on your side AStrong till you crossed the line unnecessarily.
      Jan 15
    • Amazon plothole
      American justice system isn’t politically controlled? That’s not true whatsoever
      Jan 18
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    It's retaliation and nothing else. Retaliation against Canada holding CFO, meng for deporting to US
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      It is retaliation. It is applauded in China because foreigners generally get more favorable treatment. He would have gotten the death penalty in the first place if he were Chinese.
      Jan 15
    • Uber nfny
      Looks like they’re to be commended in this case for reversing the decision based on differential treatment for foreigners and locals.
      Jan 15
    • Amazon Jakarta
      Even if it’s retaliation why can’t the Chinese execute a retaliation?
      Jan 15
    • New / Eng 😆 smiley
      Most Chinese citizens will get executed for the same crime, I assure you. No one gets away with it. You just never hear about it because the news doesn’t circulate around.
      Jan 15
    • Dropbox QqLQ41
      It is a win for Canada. They got rid of a drug dealer and also showed their loyalty to their master at the same time. Canada will simply collapse if they don't follow US's direction.
      Jan 15
  • Amazon BlueAvian
    On the one hand, if you commit a crime in a certain country, you should expect to be punished according to its laws, regardless of if they're draconian.

    On the other hand, you'd have to be blind to think that this move is not calculated by China specifically to gain leverage in the Meng situation.
    Jan 15 9
    • Expedia gurgle
      If you don't think the Huawei arrest is politically motivated given all the surrounding evidence and the fact that no other executives have ever been prosecuted for Iran sanctions even though there are probably many many culpable parties given the fact that dozens upon dozens of companies have paid billions of fines in Iran sanctions then you are delusional. Rule of law comes with some discretion believe it or not, just following the law no matter what isn't exactly a good legal philosophy and law professors here will teach that and say that.
      Jan 15
    • Expedia gurgle
      Actually it seems like no executive has been arrested for vuilating Iran sanctions, can you please give me case below.

      This article contains information on all the companies convicted with violating Iran sanctions and who never had any executive personally liable for such:

      https://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/trump-war-on-huawei-meng-wanzhou-arrest-by-jeffrey-d-sachs-2018-12

      It seems like some HP executives like Carly Florina also could have been accused of the exact same crime as Meng but no arrest:

      https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2015-09-14/under-fiorina-hp-earned-millions-from-sales-in-iran
      Jan 15
    • Amazon / Eng n0v
      Meng is arrested for committing bank fraud while dealing with financial institutions operating under US jurisdiction. The bank fraud was in furtherance of violating sanctions, but that wasn't what she was arrested for. It seems pretty clear to me that she is likely guilty of that crime (though we'll let the case work through the justice system). The Canadian court system is about as independent and fair as any in the world, and Canada has little reason to do favors to Donald Trump, whom the overwhelming majority of Canadians despise. Before this incident (and Chinese political response to it), Canada was trying to make overtures and become more friendly with China as a counterbalance to US and mistreatment under Trump. Now Canadians are asking themselves who is worse: Trump or the Chinese government. Most are coming to the conclusion that the abuse from Trump is tempered by the court system and democratic system in the US (and his term in office is time limited) whereas the Chinese government has no checks and balances. ytg6t is right. China is becoming more rich and powerful, but the overconfidence and arrogance of the government under Xi is not going to help China.
      Jan 15
    • Expedia gurgle
      HP knew it was selling to a third party who was doing so, thereby breaking the law, so they could have been prosecuted for it and perhaps convicted. It's pretty clear they violated Iran sanctions and the fact that no prosecutors ever looked into it shows the hypocrisy at play here.

      And secondly stop calling me Chinese you idiot, I am a white American. Just because someone is critical of the US government, that doesn't make them a foreign agent or a citizen of the country you are criticizing.
      Jan 15
    • Expedia gurgle
      Of course, but that's not the point I am making here. I am criticizing the *prosecutorial discretion* by saying that the likely political motivations behind it are stupid and wrongheaded because one could most likely have found crimes of a similar nature if the government used its *prosecutorial discretion* more broadly.

      I don't even want to get into a discussion on how the Iran sanctions are idiotic and immoral as well but that's for another day.
      Jan 15
  • Microsoft AStrong
    This guy's a convicted drug trafficker in Canada and was locked up. If he's dumb enough to traffic a couple hundred kilos of narcos in a country with capital punishment over 50g, I don't see why would every one is saying it's a retaliation, are we rooting for drug lords now?
    Jan 15 3
    • Amazon / Eng n0v
      The upgrade from 15yrs jail to death penalty is retaliation.
      Jan 15
    • Uber nfny
      The upgrade is to correct a prior politically motivated miscarriage of justice.
      Jan 15
    • Microsoft AStrong
      And that have you worked up? You want justice?
      You want the drug trafficker to be released? Or sent back to jail for 15years? Or is it that you just feel angry because all this news that's anti Saudi, anti Russia and anti China is actually making you rage inside anytime you read about those countries and people because you think they are evil and unjust, but you represent fairness and justice?
      Gimme a break with this world police bullshit. It's all a game and we the people are just pawns. The more you buy into all this news and triggering stories, the more you are easy to control.
      Jan 15
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    • Uber nfny
      Guess it’s just a case of everyone being assholes, then. Can’t we just play the game as is and acknowledge that we’re all greedy bastards willing to ruin other people’s lives to further our interests? Would take the hypocrisy out of it and be much easier on the conscience. Although, that does make it harder to convince 18 year olds to throw their lives away in some desert 10000 miles away from home.
      Jan 16
    • eBay gunghi
      > China is directly responsible for the genocide in Cambodia and invaded Vietnam when they moved to stop it

      The situation is definitely more complex, but it's also fascinating.

      On the Chinese side: After unification, Vietnam officially sides with the Soviet Union, which is a problem because of the Sino-Soviet Split means that China and the USSR are rivals. China expected Vietnam to fall under its sphere of influence and gave the north lots of weapons and even sent soldiers to die for their cause. It didn't help that Vietnam started a series of skirmishes in disputed land with China to start capturing more land.

      On the Vietnam Side: Vietnam unifies after a very hard fought war of independence, winning against the superpower of the time, and has a real chance at uniting Indochina, annexing cambodia, laos, thailand, etc. In short it starts flexing. Also China has historically been invading for thousands of years so it's in no hurry to become a Chinese vassal state.

      China gets nervous about being sandwiched by the USSR and a united indochina to the south.

      Vietnam and Cambodia are historical rivals, China's support of the Khmer Rouge is something of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend", which is a staple in international diplomacy. Even the US practices it.

      Anyways China wants to invade Vietnam to open a second front and prevent Vietnam from annexing cambodia, but is afraid of a full blown war with the USSR. It actually comes to the USA for help. America sends aerial reconnaissance photos, reassuring China that Soviet troops are all too far away to respond quickly.

      This allows Chinese troops to invade Vietnam, right up to the gates of the capital (taking heavy losses by the way, losing to Vietnamese non-professional but experienced militia), forcing Vietnam to divert troops away from Cambodia, and then China withdraws before Soviet intervention can happen. The icing on the cake is that this whole maneuver brings China closer to the US, and America sells China some black hawk helicopters for good measure.

      Anyways, nobody really looks good if you look at it in detail: all the nations are simply looking to extend their power or create safety.

      Step back, look close enough at the world and you won't see good or evil, just power and rationalization.
      Jan 16
    • eBay gunghi
      China wasn’t particularly enthusiastic about supporting KR, almost like its relationship with North Korea today. It’s just safer to have NK on the border than a US allied SK.

      By the way the US also sided with China in its support for KR in various U.N. resolutions. The US of course wasn’t evil or anything, they just did it to continue opposing Vietnam. Same reason they helped China invade Vietnam: the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

      There’s no justification in the moral sense, in fact there is no moral sense since like I said foreign policy is driven by interests and power, not morality.
      Jan 17
    • eBay gunghi
      Can you share some of your reading materials?

      Stepping back from the KR I don’t disagree with your positions when phrased as “the US should ensure that China does not become a dominant power with a different value system than ours”.

      Stepping back even from China, the only thing I disagree about is the idea that there is a moral absolute right. Moral arguments are appeals to emotion, and lead to strong agreement with people who share your values and ideological warfare with people who don’t.
      Jan 17
    • Microsoft lalalond
      All great discussions. I totally disagree about Iraq. There was no evidence of massively destructive weapon but still invaded anyway for internal political reasons (war against other country united the people and strengthen the support for the ruling party). There was even a survey to how Americans blindly believed they found evidence of such weapon. Fast forward, US fucked up Iraq which was stabilizing the region. That created ISIS and crisis in Middle East these days. Sure Sadam was a dictator but applying democracy directly usually creates more problems than solving them when not applied in a correct way. Not this region is like post world war after European fucked up Africa. You gotta understand the people in the region first before forcing your standard.
      Jan 18
  • Cya. After they put a bullet in his head, they'll charge his family for the bullet. Then the Canadians will apologize. Man up Trudeau.
    Jan 15 1
    • Uber nfny
      As they should. The Canadian judicial system failed to protect its own society from an unreformed and unrepentant repeat drug trafficking offender by only giving him a 16 month sentence back at home, and failed the international community by then issuing a passport to said convict so that he is able to smuggle a quarter of a ton of meth elsewhere. If anything, China should be sending a bill for legal costs as well.
      Jan 15
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    “White Canadian man gets the same punishment for a crime that everyone else has been getting for decades.”
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  • Google Woopsy
    Convicted 11 times for drug related issues in Canada, did 16 months prison in Canada, but claims he was “abusing pain medication” “because of an injury” at the time of his arrest in China.
    Does not fit well with the framed tourist story...
    Jan 15 0
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    Dunno why white lib boys want the whole world to have the same principles as them - this is diversity, white libs - deal with it. Also, while I have no fondness for Western conservatives, at least they get that different cultures have different values and preferences.
    Jan 15 19
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      White lib boys, stop bleating on blind. Don't universalize your value system - it isn't universal. Do you value diversity, a virtue you consistently espouse? Then leave the rest of the world the fuck alone - we don't want to, and won't be like you.
      And read this paper:

      https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www2.psych.ubc.ca/~henrich/pdfs/WeirdPeople.pdf

      People are different and have different values - deal with it. Don't try to eliminate cultural diversity.
      Jan 16
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      Trump, ironically, has a better understanding of how different different peoples can be. Of course, the non-WEIRD world still doesn't want him in power - partly for aforementioned reason :)
      Jan 16
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      Weird = white, educated, industrialized, rich, democratic.
      Jan 16
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      Also, for the most part, decision-makers in America are WEIRD.
      Jan 16
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      FWIW, if Saudi Arabia pulled some Sharia and chopped the smugglers hands off, that would be just fine with me. True moral relativism is to keep the fuck out of other cultures' business.
      Jan 16
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    Chinese legal system is always politically motivated. The penalties are harsh and the court can show some leniency at their discretion.

    In this case, the penalty should have always been death sentence. But because he is Canadian he only got 15 years. Also most drug dealers get “death sentence with reprieve” which is effectively a life imprisonment.

    In the retrial, he was not given any leniency at all so he got the death sentence.
    Jan 15 0
    • Amazon plothole
      “Giving white people the same punishment as everybody else is manipulation”
      What a rag
      Jan 16
    • Amazon / Eng n0v
      Thugs and politics, playing games with someone's life. Of course Chinese people recognize this too, though it can't be admitted in discussion with westerners.
      Jan 16
  • Amazon plothole
    White privilege pass revoked
    Jan 15 0
  • Collective Health MaggyL
    The reason for low drug use in Asia is due to genetics. Asians typically have forward thinking minds.
    Jan 15 1
    • Microsoft lalalond
      It has nothing to do with genetics. You are using the same base used by Hitler, KKK and what not. 3rd generation Asians in US have similar stat to white Americans in most of the categories including math. Similarly if you look at Asian countries where they follow American model, they become more like US in every area (Korea, Taiwan). Also, white Russians are surprisingly similar to Chinese if you can remove the colored glasses.
      Jan 15
  • US Navy / IT Boonaki
    I always see "harsher penalties do not work" but it's not like China has anything else preventing drug smuggling.
    Jan 15 1
    • Amazon / Eng n0v
      It's clear that harsh penalties from drug trafficking in countries like Singapore have worked.
      Jan 15
  • US Navy / IT Boonaki
    If you chose to smuggle meth into China, you're on your own.
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  • Soothe hahawtf
    He should be executed. Meth is bad for society with no upside.
    Jan 15 6
    • eBay gunghi
      Eh we basically prescribe meth like stimulants for ADHD and combat pilots take it to stay awake.
      Jan 15
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      Yes exactly. Adderall is similar to meth.

      But “Desoxyn”, what I linked to above, *is* the same same thing as meth. 100% the same. It’s available by prescription.
      Jan 15
    • eBay gunghi
      Baller, I didn’t know about that.
      Jan 15
    • Amazon / Eng n0v
      I mean John F Kennedy was apparently perscribed and using meth while president of US. It apparently cured his migraines and fatigue; though supposedly he became addicted.
      Jan 15
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      Oh it would do all three of those things yes
      Jan 16
  • Given that every 50 lbs of meth for abuse probably leads to a drug overdose and death, I think he deserves 10 executions what a prick ...
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  • He knew the risk and now he's paying for it.

    Singapore, Vietnam, Hong Kong, Indonesia, etc. have all executed foreigners for less.
    Jan 16 0