Help choose between two offers

New dweep
Oct 10, 2018 28 Comments

Asking for a friend!

YOE : 3 (before MS)
MS in CS

VMware - Palo Alto
MTS - 2

Base 140k
Stocks 140k over 4 years
Joining 40k
Relocation 20k

Microsoft - Redmond
Level 59

Base 109k
Stocks 175k over 4 years
Joining 80k
Relocation 5.5k

Interested in working in ML/AI. Promised work in that area in both companies. Interned at VMware.

Please help choose the right opportunity and why!?

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TOP 28 Comments
  • MapR Technologies !wangsu
    Higher base sets you up for better long term negotiation with future employers. All your bonus, raise, 401k match ,,espp is also based on it. As you are early in your career... consider these factors.
    Oct 10, 2018 0
  • New / Eng Simian25
    Admit it is for you, not your “friend” and then people will help.
    Oct 10, 2018 2
    • New dweep
      OP
      It's not though.
      Oct 10, 2018
    • New / Eng Simian25
      Nobody believes you
      Oct 10, 2018
  • Microsoft DOyu71
    Subtract 30% from VMware TC to account for col/tax differences. As a 59 in that role you should be promoted very, very quickly as well.

    I will say your Ms offer is strange. You dont see those joining and stock numbers very often for l59 hires.
    Oct 10, 2018 2
    • Microsoft johny-c137
      Joined a year ago as 61 and got 20k signing bonus 135k base and 130k stock.
      Oct 11, 2018
    • Microsoft DOyu71
      I assume industry hire. What were your yoe when you came? That's a pretty good l61 industr offer. Signing bonus not great but the rest is equivalent to several l62 offers I've seen.
      Oct 11, 2018
  • TrueCar / Eng expbackoff
    Since there's no why it makes it shorter for me to type.

    Microsoft.
    Oct 10, 2018 0
  • Microsoft / Eng thatguyy
    Ask for level 60 because that's what they offer in situations like yours.
    Oct 10, 2018 4
    • New dweep
      OP
      He asked and they said no for l60
      Oct 10, 2018
    • Microsoft / Eng thatguyy
      What reason did they give?
      Also, did you mention about the competing offer?
      Oct 10, 2018
    • New dweep
      OP
      Primarily coz he was interviewed in a new grad hire day. HM felt in best interest for momentum as per his phone discussion.
      Oct 10, 2018
    • Microsoft / Eng thatguyy
      I think your friend needs to put more emphasis on team
      Oct 10, 2018
  • New dweep
    OP
    It's l59. HM insisted on this level for momentum. Numbers seem strange because this was an exceptional offer due to VMware
    Oct 10, 2018 1
    • Microsoft DOyu71
      Honestly I'm surprised they even cared about the VMware offer, but the offer *is* weird for l59. I get what the manager is saying. If person does pretty well, they should get promo quickly though.
      Oct 11, 2018
  • New dray
    Microsoft looks better right now, try to see if there’s negotiating potential at all, http://levels.fyi might be helpful
    Oct 11, 2018 0
  • Google JPpr12
    Microsoft. Easy decision.

    More money effectively and better company at ML overall. if not externally, you'll have good opportunities internally. VMware is a me-too as far as ML goes.
    Oct 10, 2018 0
  • Microsoft / Eng Sjebbg
    This is definitely not L59. Fake.
    Oct 11, 2018 1
    • Microsoft DOyu71
      It is l59 salary for sure and the person said they negotiated stocks etc based on wmware offer. Not the normal case, but its certainly possible especially if interview performance was good.
      Oct 11, 2018
  • Cisco bitset
    Ms offer looks really great. From other blind posts, I can say it is better than L61 for sure. Mid range for l62
    Oct 10, 2018 1
    • Microsoft DOyu71
      Not the salary though. Salary is a dead give away for an l59 offer.
      Oct 10, 2018
  • Intuit intuit101
    You are such a true friend. What’s wrong to admit truth. You only started diverting others mind with your stupid lie.
    Oct 10, 2018 1
    • New dweep
      OP
      Not guilty
      Oct 10, 2018
  • Microsoft / Eng
    JohnSnow🐲

    Microsoft Eng

    BIO
    Cholesterol was little high, but still fine. Could shed a few pounds.
    JohnSnow🐲more
    Microsoft.
    Oct 11, 2018 0
  • VMware / Eng MdOQt73
    Microsoft
    Oct 11, 2018 0
  • VMware 3xception
    Very high for a mts2 offer. My Sr. MTS offer was 165/140 sign up 15, relo 15
    Oct 11, 2018 0
  • Google bravo6
    Microsoft!
    Oct 11, 2018 0
  • Microsoft SaltyChef
    CoL bay vs Seattle. That's 30% if not more
    Oct 11, 2018 0