Help chose - Amazon pivot with severance or leave at dev-list if you have another good offer?

Amazon pssst7
May 12 60 Comments

I am in dev-list. Manager said that he will be starting pivot soon. I have no intention of staying at Amazon or ever coming back to Amazon. I also an offer from another company.

Does anyone know what is the severance for 8 year experience at Amazon? Is it worth siging pivot documents to take severance or would you prefer just leaving while on dev list? I am financially sound and don't need the severance money.

Second question - how are other amazon piped people doing in their career now? I am a bit down and seeking some validation from other people.

Yoe: 8 (all at Amazon)
Tc: 290k
SDE3 in Seattle

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  • Amazon 🍪cutter
    8 years at Amazon!? That’s pretty commendable. Take severance and leave. Your eligibility to rehire is taken away until you are in dev list. Ask for expedited pivot, your experience is much valued outside.
    May 135
    • Microsoft vxefcdrvsw
      So if someone is put into Dev list, and later leave, marked as "no-rehire" forever?
      May 13
    • Amazon 🍪cutter
      Yes. Initially you could get on pivot and get rehires after a year, however, even now they have changed it as well - getting on pivot also marks ineligibility to rehire.
      May 13
    • Microsoft vxefcdrvsw
      What is pivot?
      May 13
    • Amazon pssst7
      OP
      Is there a downside to talking severance? Like for future background checks, etc.
      May 13
    • Amazon 🍪cutter
      No. This doesn’t show up in background checks.
      May 13
  • Amazon THmu30
    What happened? Stayed at Amz for 8 years, got to sde3 and then pipped, wtf.
    May 132
    • Microsoft vxefcdrvsw
      SDE3's are also get PIPed? Seems brutal culture.
      May 13
    • Dropbox puts&calls
      Why would sde3s be untouchable? Could be newly promoted, bad projects or new manager among other things.
      May 13
  • Microsoft vxefcdrvsw
    What's the order? Dev list -> pivot -> pip -> fired ?
    May 137
    • Amazon seattle'd
      I don't know if pivot and pip are different.
      May 13
    • Amazon THmu30
      Pip == dev list
      May 13
    • Amazon seattle'd
      Dev-list and PIP are different. But yea those who are in dev-list (10%), 6% end up on PIP and almost all of them end up leaving AMZN with rare exceptions.
      May 13
    • Amazon pssst7
      OP
      seattle'd - any downsides of taking severance? I heard you need to sign a bunch of documents
      May 13
    • Amazon seattle'd
      If we quit in dev-list or PIP status, we're not eligible for re-hire in future. I don't think any downside to severence. It is better to resign than terminated, so your background screening is all clear. And leave on happy terms with mgr, so he can help you with any references.
      May 13
    • Amazon pssst7
      OP
      Do you think there is a chance that taking severance will affect my background checks in the future? I will need to sign some documents for that. Also I will definitely leave on good terms with my manager
      May 13
    • Amazon seattle'd
      I would talk to an HR and my manager for confirmation, as of 2019. As much I know, if you resign in PIP, your background screening is fine.
      May 13
  • Microsoft Refstv
    had a friend who was pip-ed at amazon now staff at google. Don't let anybody else shake your faith in yourself. But make sure you learn what from what went wrong at amazon. Tomm is new day, be a better version of yourself, regardless of whether things are good or bad and GL!
    6d1
  • Brutal!
    May 130
  • Google topCon
    8 years them pivot? Very unusual.
    May 132
  • Amazon seattle'd
    Wow!!! 8 YOE at AMZN. And dev-listed 😮
    May 130
  • Microsoft vxefcdrvsw
    OP, which option did you choose?
    May 178
    • Amazon pssst7
      OP
      I resigned before pivot. Manager and other people mentioned 12 weeks is the max severance a person can get. Also I did not want to sign any documents. In case policy changes in future, I don't want to take risks for my future prospects for 12 weeks salary
      7d
    • Microsoft vxefcdrvsw
      Have you got another job? Do you know if taking severance marks someone as "not eligible for re-hire"? One of my friend is in a similar situation.
      7d
    • Amazon pssst7
      OP
      I already had another offer before I resigned. So I was not in need of severance. LE/dev-list/severance/pip are all flagged by HR which makes it difficult to get hired in future but not impossible
      7d
    • Microsoft vxefcdrvsw
      Thanks. Wish you all the best! Where are you going? How difficult was it to land another job?
      7d
    • Amazon pssst7
      OP
      Thanks! I was able to get multiple offers. Once you get out of self pity zone, it becomes easier. Tell your friend to take a few days off to cool down before starting preparation. Is your friend at MS? Also i feel it is easier to get another job if you already have a job
      7d
    • Microsoft vxefcdrvsw
      Friend is in Dev List at Amazon. On H1b which makes things difficult.
      7d
    • Amazon DeepObsess
      Why did you not get the severance? I asked for pivot to get the free money then go to my new job the following week
      6d
    • Microsoft vxefcdrvsw
      How much severance did you get? 2 months' salary?
      6d
  • Amazon ChivalryAF
    Why would you want to get rehired at a place that doesn’t value you?
    May 132
    • Amazon aspie
      I will come up in a reference check if another company calls Amazon.
      May 14
    • Amazon ChivalryAF
      ^^^it doesn’t. They simply confirm the working dates. They don’t even mention if you were fired. I’ve extensively researched this and asked HR.
      May 15
  • Microsoft vxefcdrvsw
    What's the difference between Dev list & Pivot?
    May 131
    • Google topCon
      Dev list = means you suck and prevents you from transferring to another team

      Pivot = when your manger goes golfing with your balls
      May 13
  • Snapchat eeXB43
    it is for the better
    May 130
  • Amazon squak_01
    sign the pivot and take the money... same situation as you, now have 5 offers.. evaluating. so you will be ok.. dont worry if you have intention to ever go back (like me) take the severance.. its 3 months pay
    5d6
    • Microsoft vxefcdrvsw
      How long you were at Amazon?
      5d
    • Whout you be so kind to share your TC and level as well?
      5d
    • Amazon DeepObsess
      How is the severance calculated?
      3d
    • Amazon mClj86
      They changed the rule about rehire and made it retroactive. I witnessed first hand when I tried to rehire someone in accordance with their exit deal. Amazon said “sorry we changed that rule and it is retroactive. You are not eligible for rehire”. I’m a 6 year veteran. My boss (who is high level former CEO at different company) just left for a well known company that may or may not also be in cloud, search and other businesses
      2d
    • Amazon mClj86
      I’m getting the hell away from this company as quickly as possible. If you have vested your offer, find a new home
      2d
    • Microsoft ~}{#%€|_%*
      What's the current rule for re-hire eligibility?
      2d
  • Deloitte broadway74
    What happened? Do you have a good network of ppl? After 8 years seems odd
    May 133
    • Amazon pssst7
      OP
      I have built a good network of people here. Had a few arguments with my manager, I think probably that lead to this
      May 13
    • Deloitte broadway74
      Otherwise, has it been a good job or a nightmare like others insinuate? Also sad that after 8 years this is happening to you. I’m sorry :(
      May 13
    • Ah... You thought that you actually matter! Don't worry, it would be a good lesson for you.
      May 13
  • Amazon mClj86
    Also, amazon recently changed the rule for rehire. People who took less for the options to be rehired and being told sorry, we changed the rule, it’s retroactive and you can’t come back
    2d2
    • Amazon DeepObsess
      Smell like law suit
      2d
    • Microsoft ~}{#%€|_%*
      Do they let the employee know that taking the severance will mark as "not eligible for rehire"? What's the criteria for being marked as "not rehire"?
      2d
  • Amazon mClj86
    I’m in the same spot. Two promos last year. I’m 6 years in. Leadership turnover. I’m knocked down from 6 mgr to 6 IC. How do i get money? Through pivot only?
    2d2
    • Microsoft ~}{#%€|_%*
      2 promos in the same year? Thats quite unheard of.
      2d
    • Could you please elaborate on 2 promos?
      2d
  • Amazon adc963
    You can no longer challenge the pivot, just the decision at the end of a pip.

    Ask for the expedited severance, I'm sure your hr team would be willing to work with you on that.
    6d1
  • Akamai Technologies oopte
    8 years and pipped..Wtf!
    May 130
  • Facebook megarising
    If you have been really been at Amazon for 8 years, and have had good performance reviews until now, you should challenge pivot.
    May 130

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