Help me evaluate: AWS L6 PM-T offer

Microsoft NKfm83
Apr 17 24 Comments

One of the top performers in my team - recent promotion to L64 @ Azure. 11 YoE. 3 years at msft. I expect top rewards this year.

Last year TC: 210K at L63. Total granted stock was like $120K and the cash reward was like $40k which puts the total rewards over $300k. I think I should see close to $300k in a year or so when I get to L65. (dreaming ?)

I wasn’t looking but found myself getting an offer from AWS L6 PM-T. TC is $285k. What do y’all think ? Should I take it ? My gut says don’t accept anything below $300k but I also feel a bit bored in my current role.

I have pushed for $300k+ but they said even $290k wouldn’t be possible. Is this true ? I heard about an exception route but not sure if the hiring manager wants to take that route for me.

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  • Amazon mx34bcF
    Not in PM but I moved from Microsoft few months back. I experienced big reductions in 401k match, now need to pay monthly for health insurance that I didn’t need to, fewer vacation days, no year-end cash bonus, lower quality of computers, lower quality of seat and table which they said was cut from a door, paid parking far away, no fitness reimbursement, less comfortable business travel, poor wlb, and so on. 401k match was the biggest difference. Keep these in mind when you negotiate your pay. In my case the value of unvested Microsoft stock has grown faster than my Amazon stock so far
    Apr 18 3
    • Microsoft
      fern vbv

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      What role did u move as?
      Apr 18
    • Amazon mx34bcF
      SDM
      Apr 18
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      But your offered comp should be better? What level were you at MSFT?
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  • Amazon hpcguru
    Best to get 65 at Azure and then come to AWS as L7. L6 PMT especially in AWS is ultra competitive and takes 3-5 years to move to L7 if you are doing very well. New MBAs with 0-2 yoe come in as L6 PMT. 11 yoe does not fit well with L6 PMT. One of my PMT friends with 5yoe was burned by sharing a band with younger folks just out of college who were doing 80-100hr weeks. It is easier to get to 65 than to L7.

    There are lots of Azure 64s that have come in as L7 PMT. You may have been down leveled after interview. Another thing is that at Microsoft engineering and Pm is in the same salary range. At Amazon PMT is paid 15-25% lower than engineer and SDM bands. Anything above 250k for PMT is very rare (excluding existing ppl who have benefited from stock appreciation) but with exception I have heard of 350k+ in many cases. Definitely not worth the change unless you get 30-40% TC boost or get to start a fully new initiative in a hot area that excites you. If you decide on L6 dont budge on comp and hardball the recruiter and manager.
    Apr 17 0
  • Microsoft NKfm83
    OP
    They also said L7 at Amazon maps to L66 at msft which is what I see at levels.fyi. If I pushed I could get to l65 next year though.
    Apr 17 1
    • Amazon mx34bcF
      True for SDE and SDM. Maybe not for PM since Amazon PMs are paid lower than SDE and SDM (don’t know by how much). I’ve never seen 65 principal PM come in as L6
      Apr 18
  • Microsoft NKfm83
    OP
    Update: I made the switch. TC was over 300k
    May 14 0
  • Amazon HFRr64
    I don’t know exact numbers but I’m pretty sure that is either max for the band or very close to it. If they’re willing to lay down an offer this strong, you probably have a shot at pushing them to level up the offer for L7 Principal PMT. L6 to L7 promo is very difficult and so it would be a huge accomplishment even if they didnt budge on TC.
    Apr 17 0
  • Microsoft NKfm83
    OP
    Thanks folks for responding. I discussed L7 and it sounded like it is impossible. The role they had in mind is L6 and I was told L7 is very rare across the company as an IC. The role is quite interesting but not sure if it is worth losing all the benefits I have at msft.
    Apr 17 3
    • Amazon ty83404a
      There are fewer L7 ICs than L6 ICs but not rare at all. Check on LinkedIn - there are many hundreds of L7 IC PMs at the company
      Apr 19
    • Amazon ty83404a
      What is the role? Which team?
      Apr 19
    • Microsoft NKfm83
      OP
      It is technical role but it didn’t look like there was any L7 in the team other than the hiring manager.
      Apr 19
  • Microsoft NKfm83
    OP
    You folks helped me make my mind. Thanks! I am now inclined to stay with msft. What do you think of me talking to my manager and sharing that I have an offer on the table ? Will they accelerate my time to L65 ? Would they match the TC ?
    Apr 19 1
    • Amazon ty83404a
      Doesn’t hurt to ask. If they value you, you’ll know. If they don’t value you you’ll find out as well. Don’t know about msft,but generally if they like you they will try hard to keep you. Not advisable if you are on H1B visa!!!
      Apr 19
  • Lam Research rektkid
    What’s PMT? Is this Lab 126?
    Apr 17 1
    • Microsoft NKfm83
      OP
      Senior product manager, technical
      Apr 17
  • Microsoft
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    What was the offer details?
    Apr 17 1
    • Microsoft NKfm83
      OP
      Will share once I decline or accept
      Apr 18
  • New inmann
    L64 MSFT to L6 Amazon in my assessment is a lateral move. Besides the TC, I would seriously think about the manager, team, quality of role and where this role takes your 5 years down the line. I wouldn't have made the decision overemphasizing on the TC
    May 13 0
  • Amazon juiced223
    What did you decide?
    Apr 27 0
  • Amazon juiced223
    I’m trying to move in the opposite direction! Lol

    https://us.teamblind.com/s/53mxKYFN
    Apr 23 0
  • Lam Research rektkid
    Wtf then why did u move
    Apr 18 0
  • Amazon Documon
    285 is already at top of the band... understand that next year you are pretty much getting 0 stock or increment
    Apr 17 0