How about those Dem debates?

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Jun 28 964 Comments

Can't believe there's no thread on this yet. I feel like Biden took a big step back. Thoughts?

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  • Trump 2020

    Sanders is trying to steal my yolo wallstreetbets money and give it to gender studies majors
    Jun 28 44
    • Apple toooooo
      Of course I am upset with the direction we’re going. Just like entire conservatives were while Obama was in charge, dragging everything to a halt at the expense of everyone. Then they turn around and tell people Dems failed to do anything to win elections, and now they go the other way. Dems being too nice, they let that happen. This system that you say is working perfectly is just empowering those who play dirty. It’s rewarding the bad actors.

      I actually am losing a lot of hope with Dems right now precisely because of this. I don’t see any candidate who’s willing to play dirty to win elections and get stuff done.

      Damn, I need another drink.
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      It'd be great if we could just work together, but that would require to vote out everyone who is currently there
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      Cry more @toooooo
      Jun 30
    • Apple toooooo
      😭😭😭
      Jul 1
    • Capital One / Eng TvMp82
      When are the dems going to forgive my mortgage?
      Jul 2
  • Symantec SKih74
    Universal healthcare is a great philosophy. But I don't like the anarchist approach from Bernie. Biden is old and has baggage. Americans are not ready to see a LGBT candidate or a woman as president yet. Right is too far right... By 2020 Trump will pump so much hatred that there could be possible many more civil disobedience events,hatred induced crimes and yet Dems will not have a strong candidate. Yesterday it was good to hear Kamala and Pete but is America Great Enough to accept them as Great President or choose Trump once again?
    Jun 28 24
    • Ripple UoNS08
      > Americans are not ready to see a LGBT candidate or a woman as president yet.

      If only we could choose candidates by merits, not by their intersectionality points... Wild idea, right?
      Jun 29
    • Nutanix
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      What defines the top? By the mere fact that you live in the US that makes you top 5% globally. Should we redistribute our wealth to other less fortunate countries? There will always be haves and have nots. Economic equality is a myth.
      Jun 29
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      @(Q)anon if only we could deport those people then we wouldn't have to pay for them...

      Oh wait, that's the actual law that we're already not enforcing in sanctuary cities.
      Jun 29
    • Oracle / Eng (Q)anon
      Nearly every country besides ours are vigilant on this issue. To live n Germany, you need a college degree and speak German if you want to live there legally.
      Jun 29
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      I'm sure that wouldn't go well in this country.
      Jun 29
  • Amazon Bun🦔
    This app is filled with rich people, they are probably all Republicans going to vote for Trump, while preaching their, "global warming is fake" and "fuck the poor, less tax for me" crap
    Jun 29 48
    • Apple / Eng 🐒codemonk
      @OlcD57 Academia is largely liberal at the moment. What’s your opinion on blogs & non-mainstreams which publish conservative views? There is not only media, but serious publications/books left-leaning too. If the left is misinformed, why do some of them think the right is less-educated due to upbringings in rural conservative areas? If they are well-educated, why do left elitists point at the Wall Street & try socialism?
      Jun 30
    • Netflix / Other OlcD57
      I agree his cabinet was very unstable, but his latest picks were awesome, he got rid of tillerson and bannon.
      Pompeo pense, barr, DeVos,sessions, haley, bolton are amazing upgrades (Haley and sessions left, but still amazing)
      Jun 30
    • Netflix / Other OlcD57
      Codemonk, what blogs publications you are taking about?
      None of the are alt-right, this is not mainstream for a long time.
      but many are good conservative or libertarian outlets - Glenn beck, bill oreilly, daily wire, Steven crowder, Tim cast, RubinPragerU, Dinesh despicably.
      I think Academia is lost for a long time.
      But internet created voices for conservatives, so the battle is now for Facebook twitter and YouTube control of these voices.
      Hopefully we’ll not lose this battle.
      Right is often less educated on average. But high IQ does not mean wisdom.
      jPeterson can explain a lot of this better than me.
      They want socialism because they don’t really know what it is and because they think America is a terrible place. It’s really hard to explain a lot of this without carefully choosing words and spending some time, putting it together. A lot of this is sociology and psychology. I can only recommend to listen to other conservatives explaining it but first google Jourdan Peterson in left vs right ideologies
      Jun 30
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      @Amazon if you were well mannered you wouldn't have made direct character attacks when you disagree.

      Also a good understanding that there are views which don't align with either party.

      I'll let you guys argue this out some more, but you're not a saint and just because you may be older does not mean you have super intelligence or the definition of correct worldview. By that logic Trump would be smarter and more intelligent than you.
      Jun 30
    • Apple / Eng 🐒codemonk
      I see. Will look at it. Thanks for sharing your thoughts. Appreciate that we can have conversations & discussions nowadays. I like people who attempt to speak sense
      Jun 30
  • WeWork / IT h4zMa7
    Have you ever noticed that the "liberal consensus" on social media can only exist with heavy censorship and moderation? Go to a place like Blind and the silent majority appears.
    Jun 29 13
    • Oracle / Eng (Q)anon
      Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.
      Jun 30
    • @pegasystems “Yeah, because most Trump supporters in tech are too p* to state their opinions publicly.” — Please read Aesop’s fable, the Sheep and the Pig. (You’re the sheep.)
      Jun 30
    • Insight / Project
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      @mojojojox I agree. Money is a powerful tool, but it doesn’t change the fact that it would be stupid of me to state my conservative viewpoints in public when most of the people I work with think the other way.. and tend to get emotionally upset rather than want to have a discussion.

      So.. I’m not going to cost myself opportunities because the left treats their political opinion as their religion.

      Same reason why I wouldn’t go to Utah and talk poorly of Mormons.. or the Minneapolis and Muslims or the south and Christians.

      The political left views their opinions as infallible as religion.. I’ll avoid trying to change a mind that can’t be changed.

      Also.. everyone has a different starting place.. and everyone experiences different levels of privilege in different circumstances.

      And I’m glad to know you have been successful.. but there isn’t a glass ceiling for anyone living in America today. I don’t care your race, sexual orientation, religion, gender, disability... the biggest factor has always been the individual.

      That’s what makes this country great
      Jun 30
    • Oath Atinlay2
      ^This. Conservatives don’t cry when they get into discussions. liberals cry, get mad, want people fired and silenced. liberals don’t stop until your life is ruined for your thoughts, and your house is burned down. They want total assimilation and can’t fathom that someone thinks differently from the lockstep.
      Jun 30
    • Insight / Project
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      I won’t say all liberals.... but enough leftists have this viewpoint in SF that it would damage one’s career..

      Very 1930s Germany mindset and they don’t realize it right now
      Jun 30
  • Apple ijyA68
    It was obvious that Biden and Bernie were the establishment favorites, but the media and debate hosts wanted Kamala to look the best.

    I also think the free health care for illegal immigrants scene, where everyone raised their hand and said they supported it, will be great for Republican 2020 adds.
    Jun 28 24
    • Gilead Sciences / R&D cartman++
      I also don't get how legislating it is helping any if this was already happening. I would think them not having insurance will be less burden on the system, as they would only have access to ERs and not to regular clinics.
      Jun 29
    • New / Eng
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      I also believe every talking point is "access to healthcare" never good or fast healthcare just that you have the access if you need it.

      Canada wait times are abysmal
      Jun 29
    • Google NSFW4
      You either have strong borders and a welfare state or you have neither. If you have no borders, everyone across the world will come for free shit
      Jun 29
    • Amazon 💩4brains
      @cartman++ They want to decriminalize that because they eventually want them to vote for Democrat.

      Yes I agree. They should be deported once they receive medical care. Why the hell the state of Texas is giving them cards to come back and continue to use the system is beyond me.

      @TechLeed it is a problem. Healthcare has to be more expensive for those of us that do have insurance and can actually pay for it. We have to pay for illegals to be treated in emergency rooms. The doctors and staff in the ER's do not work for free.
      Jun 29
    • Uber 902101
      Bernie is establishment fav?
      Are you.. special?
      Jun 29
  • OrbiMed HedgeMed
    Biden and Bernie look surprised the rest of the democrats moved further left than them
    Jun 28 9
    • Jet / Eng qmtJ33
      Bernie is advocating for things that every other advanced country already has. Biden is running on Obama nostalgia
      Jun 29
    • Gilead Sciences / R&D cartman++
      "Bernie is advocating for things that every other advanced country already has"

      Advanced Scandinavian countries? Forget how much natural resources they have? And they don't have to do with millions of illegal immigrants receiving welfare from tax 💵
      Jun 29
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      The US doesn't have to deal with millions of illegal immigrants receiving welfare from tax either... Unless you call the military, corporations, and banks "illegal immigrants". 💸
      Jun 29
    • Google usurper
      Have you heard how many natural resources the US has? Oh right you haven't because we give it all away to private corporations to enhance a few rich guys' wealth instead of sharing it among all Americans who live here
      Jun 29
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      Yeah I've heard that people can legitimately own land here.
      Jun 29
  • Cloudflare / Eng myimouto
    let yang speak
    Jun 28 6
    • Amazon Jett Bezos
      he didn't scream over other candidates like the blonde lady and was unnoticeable as the result
      Jun 28
    • Oracle pzd
      He's your typical tech bro. Given longer than one elevator ride-time, he runs out of things to say. That being said, I like the guy.
      Jun 28
    • Amazon hfhscgbnj
      Policy wonk is a better descriptor. He’s running for a cabinet position. It’s good to get less noticeable ideas out in the line of discussion. If you look at his website it’s policy heavy. Like the encyclopedia of policy ideas.
      Jun 29
    • Amazon XCYm35
      I couldn't imagine voting for any of these people.
      Jun 29
    • Cloudflare ahCQ01
      Prince 2020
      Jun 29
  • Amazon Boo007
    It is not about republicans or democrats...it was that we needed a change and Trump was that change. He is not two faced politician...what you see is what you get.
    Jun 29 36
    • Apple / Eng 🐒codemonk
      😂 people need to calm down on this thread. That @Boo007 guy got me some good laugh. Even if you love Trump (which is alright & not evil at all) you sound more like a worshipper lmao 😂😂🤣🤣 Yeah just like you said have some balls and go to live TV to risk losing your job at lefties’ Amazon. You dare? If no then you deserve hiding in your hole behind keyboard on blind. And your spelling is terrible and I doubt whether you are drunk or on drugs.
      — Sorry when you sound like a desperate & emotional old guy worshipping someone in power I can’t help but troll you.
      Jun 29
    • Oracle vTqY26
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      @vmware you're proving the stereotype. Anyone supporting Trump is low iq. Data is not feelings, imbecile.
      Jun 29
    • Apple / Eng 🐒codemonk
      No I don’t hate people who support Trump I just wanted to troll people who sound desperate whether they worship reps or dems doesn’t matter🤣
      Jun 29
    • GM Financial / IT Nataku
      That's incredibly pretentious and I want to argue the point, but I simply can't.
      Jun 29
    • Airbnb I’m gay
      I don’t care if Trump embarrassed you or not. I’m feel totally fine. I care whether he delivers what he said, period.
      Jun 30
  • RAPP xfqL16
    Kamala was way too emotional, looked like she was about to cry lmao. Cant see her being president
    Jun 29 22
    • Microsoft 🛑Ppinko
      ^ Huh, someone's TDS is flaring up?
      Jun 29
    • Google TeamBIind
      You were replying to someone talking about Kamala vs Trump. Saying that she got help early in her career is not really an effective argument Trump can use since he got millions of risk-free loans from his dad.
      Jun 29
    • Microsoft 🛑Ppinko
      If you haven't noticed, the media has been harassing him from the beginning. But a Democrat candidate, a women and a person of color - that's untouchable, right? I am not worried, most Americans see through the hypocrisy and corruption of the Democrat's aristocracy.
      Jun 29
    • Uber cyxF63
      Also , she has no business claiming the experiences of African Americans (which she did loudly in the DemDebate). She had a fairly privileged Indian-american upbringing. She is as black as Bobby Jindal was white.
      Jun 29
    • Facebook / Eng lkj630
      She looks black. Pretty sure most people treat her like she's black. Black!=poor. You're confusing racism and class access.
      Jun 30
  • Oracle vTqY26
    Somehow the Dem politicians are so incompetent they will splinter their base and lose again to the most hated prez in history.
    Jun 29 13
    • iboss Ylxs41
      The s&p 500 just hit an all time high a few weeks ago, what do you mean it's not doing well.
      Jun 29
    • Netflix / Other OlcD57
      But cnn and nyt keep telling us that!!!
      Jun 29
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      I can't wait until they implement the same tax on wallstreet that they did in Sweden. It ended so well with at least 95% of the futures and option markets disappearing.

      You know your policies are stupid when they require the billionaires to exist in the first place... Can't afford it if you don't have wealthy people to take it from.
      Jun 29
    • Netflix / Other OlcD57
      You just described NYC big problem
      Jun 29
    • GM Financial / IT Nataku
      Even worse in Chicago, according to my Chicago friends.
      Jun 29
  • Intel bau.
    I like the fact that Trump has destroyed the American "moral standing" on "Western values". I also like that his policies are going to create more superpowers to counterbalance the US.

    Now the USA will no longer be able to lecture the world on ethics, morality and good governance. You fucking lock kids up... You are in the same league as China and N. Korea.

    PS: I am not American, don't care to be one. I will take my TC please.
    Jun 29 10
    • Salesforce / Eng DltF00
      Lol ridiculous complaint.
      Jun 30
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      Claims to not be or want to be an American, works for American company. Well at-least you’re a capitalist, maybe someday you will learn to love this country that feeds your family.
      Jun 30
    • Netflix / Other OlcD57
      Nicely said
      Jun 30
    • Intel bau.
      @all you idiots who can't use Google translate on my userid including the one from Google. My country took in a lot of immigrants fleeing a civil war.
      No wonder you guys need people like me.
      Jun 30
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      Oo not only do we need you, we want more hard working capitalists like yourself! ^_*
      Jul 1
  • Twitter / Eng mcDee
    I don’t have a lot of confidence in any of the Democrat candidates.

    And, is it weird that I’m fairly supportive of President Trump but can’t stand what he says or how he says it?

    I know. Not logical at all.
    Jun 29 20
    • Intuit UncleSmith
      Yes I understand gdp growth, I showed you data from a reputable source. You’ve just demonstrated your ignorance repeatedly. Sounds like a Fox News network watcher to me.
      Jul 2
    • Intuit UncleSmith
      Also, the congressional budget office is projecting that the deficit will continue to grow by about 900 billion to 1 trillion per year over the next 10 years and that there will be an economic slowdown.
      Jul 2
    • Netflix / Other OlcD57
      First of all
      Learn how to spell plain
      Second, of all, I can’t explain things to you because you don’t know anything.
      I got life. Just believe in your own thing..
      You are deaf or dumb. I said I don’t watch fox or cnn
      Jul 2
    • Intuit UncleSmith
      Again you obviously don’t look at or understand data. I’ve shown you links to reputable sources and you answer by calling me dumb and criticizing my spelling. Pretty sophomoric...
      Jul 2
  • Facebook / Eng nfLx46
    Last election pushed me from Obama to not voting. This debate just moved me to voting Trump.

    The problem isn't any one candidate. It's that the entire party has come to a perfect consensus on open borders, and opposition to guns.
    Jun 29 5
    • Netflix / Other OlcD57
      Even Obama is too radical for 2020 candidates, not leftist enough
      Jun 29
    • Facebook windovers
      The entire debate was grandstanding over border and race sob stories, light on policy. Can’t win general elections without attracting moderates and conservatives.
      Jun 29
    • Netflix / Other OlcD57
      Hope you right
      Jun 29
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      I can’t believe they are attacking Biden’s civil rights record from decades ago. Did they completely forget he was VP under Obama for 8 years? And why hasn’t Obama come out and defended him?
      Jun 29
    • Netflix / Other OlcD57
      Democrats always forget or ignore things when convenient. Hypocrisy is their nature.
      I have many republican and democratic friends.
      Mostly, my friends democrats are hypocrites in personal life too, when it comes to values, decisions in life, talking personal responsibility, etc
      Jun 30
  • Bank of America wsOP05
    Kamala Harris is diabolical. I didn't think it was fair to hold 1970s decisions to 2020 moral standards
    Jun 29 15
    • Facebook / Eng lkj630
      So she's like the devil? She's not "using" her race, she's literally talking about her life. Her talking about her life makes her evil?
      Did she call Joe Biden a monster? Or is this you paraphrasing?
      Jun 29
    • Amazon wamen
      Harris said she was in the second class that de-segregated. Berkley public school district de-segregated in 1963. Harris was *born* in 1964 (a year later).

      Harris lied. She also lied about smoking pot in college.. she was smoking pot when she was locking record numbers for smoking pot.

      Harris is a hard NO!
      Jun 29
    • Netflix / Other OlcD57
      Harris lies a lot. Her record speaks for herself. Look at California, it’s a total mess
      Jun 29
    • Kaspersky Lab / HR aye dais
      I agree, it wasn’t fair. He could bring her prison issue which is way more modern, but he didn’t and I respect that.
      Jun 29
    • Facebook / Eng lkj630
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    How can dems not just go with a good likeable non-ghetto candidate even republicans can agree with ?
    Jun 29 42
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      Keep it up : ) I'll let you think I'm the one being dishonest. Stop pushing a narrative that you want to see and push.

      Minorities are measured statistically as we don't have exact numbers. Also it may be shocking but depending on how far you zoom out the minority could be the majority, it's all relative.

      I'd also say Warren is ghetto because of her history of lying that she was Cherokee. Biden because he's just handsy with children... Plenty of things to pick apart.

      Same way you can find five hundred billion things wrong in 240 characters.
      Jul 1
    • Netflix / Other OlcD57
      Tolerant sympathetic leftist was banned for hate speech, ha
      Jul 1
    • Facebook / Eng lkj630
      Feel free to let me know of any minority groups who are actually the population majority 👍

      What narrative am I pushing?

      Aaand, that's not the interpretation of ghetto? Honestly, I can't believe this is an argument. Ah yes, my friend lied, that's so ghetto.
      Jul 1
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      The English language is expressive and can be used in that way. You can't really fight me on that fact.

      As for where a US minority group is the majority is easy. Baltimore MD, Detroit MI, and Jackson MS for blacks.

      Miami, FL, Bronx in NY for hispanics

      Honolulu HI, Sunnyvale CA, Fremont CA for asians.

      There are other groups and there are many more cities but I thought I'd just list major cities but as I said, you can just change how much you look at to get whenever you want to be the majority.

      Yes at the national level they are the minority, but as with most things it's not distributed evenly across the nation there are cities and pockets of people.
      Jul 2
    • Facebook / Eng lkj630
      Yes, but them being a minority group at the national level is why they're called a minority group. What other reason would there be?

      I can disagree with you on the have that is not usual usage as well as pointing out how the word ghetto is often used as a dog whistle 🤷
      Jul 2
  • Qualcomm designstuf
    All of you software engineers will be consultants one day as you get older. You will need some form of affordable healthcare at that point. Right now it's over 1,000 a month per person to get insurance.
    Jun 29 35
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      If you honestly believe that would work you're so very very misinformed with how economics works.

      Proof, just look at what having price controls did for Venezuela.

      Try being smarter next time you post
      Jul 2
    • Kaspersky Lab / HR aye dais
      Techlead, for one Venezuela there are plenty of European countries where government regulation works. One of the reasons why medications are so expensive is that all other governments regulate pharmaceutical pricing and all pharmaceutical companies are trying to make up for it in the States.
      Jul 3
    • Google benchkris
      drug costs are minor. most of the money goes to hospitals
      Jul 3
    • Kaspersky Lab / HR aye dais
      Do you think hospitals don’t buy drugs?
      Their costs are salaries, med devices, facility and drugs.
      Epipen cost how much now? $700?
      Jul 4
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      If the hospital charges more than they pay for the drug it's the patient paying the cost not the hospital. Any unused drug is a financial loss. Regardless regulating prices like you have said just plain wouldn't work.
      Jul 4
  • Google rLko50
    Biden is still the best. Rest are socialists
    Jun 29 17
    • Google NSFW4
      Lol nothing about Bernie is market economy. Warren debatable
      Jun 29
    • Ripple UoNS08
      Also, when people mention countries like Norway or Sweden they should keep in mind that these countries have not only relatively small population but also homogeneous culture. Vast majority of people share the same values and see things the same way. There's no "diversity" in there, and that's why social trust is high and the whole system works reasonably well. It's not the case for US.
      Jun 29
    • Facebook / Eng lkj630
      And Canada? Or Australia? Countries, like the US, built on immigrants.
      Jun 29
    • Ripple UoNS08
      Yeah, there are a lot of fans of Canadian healthcare outside of Canada.
      Jun 30
    • Facebook / Eng lkj630
      Wat? So because Canadians like Canadian health care it doesn't count? Ask any Canadian whether they'd rather have us healthcare.
      Jun 30
  • Pegasystems happyjalap
    It's funny to read Trump supporters say that some of the candidates are too far left which will kill them in the general election. I agree that they're too far left but the same exact thing was said about Trump. That he was too far right.
    Jun 29 17
    • Microsoft J0lyr0ger
      If you a judge a leader based on that Badname, then you probably should not vote since most if your concerns it are irrelevant to how
      capable a persons leadership ability actually is.

      With your logic its like saying, im not gonna eat broccoli because it tastes bad, and im only gonna eat sugar because it tastes good.
      Jun 30
    • Microsoft Badname
      I judge a leader by their results and by the way they lead, with their communication skills and ability to bring people together to work towards a common goal. He has done none of it- look at the result of the division he has created just in this simple example. Your broccoli example is laughable. Hope you aren’t a “leader” in microsoft- let me know which group so I am nowhere around there
      Jun 30
    • Google balin
      @badname in this case the worst president was obama. He left the country much more divided across racial issues than it was before him.

      Trump made it exceedingly clear he’s not supporting racists and homophobes. Trump is hated by white suprematists for being so friendly with Jews and Israel.

      At the same time he’s not seeing any group as inherently deficient (a common dems problem. There’s even a study showing that while Republicans keep their usual style talking to minorities, Democrats are “dumbing down” their language) and is doing really good job actually raising them from poverty. The jobs and employment data is the best confirmation of him not being a racist.

      You can do your demagoguery all day and all night. The truth is pretty obvious to the whole country by now. You guys tried to dehumanize him and it backfired horrendously.
      Jun 30
    • Microsoft J0lyr0ger
      The fact is that in Charlottesville, there was bad people on both sides... and despite people telling him otherwise, trump spoke the truth on the matter, because he is unlike obama, clinton and bushes in the fact that he is not part of a hidden agenda and actually on the side of the united states and its people. That is why he has continued to avoid wars in the middle east despite being baited by both sides of the aisle, even trolling the neocons over the iran strike (that didnt happen).

      You might like the candy words of Obama, but you wont like his wars, I certainly didn’t - do you even know what happened in the middle east? I do. I served this country... Its time to end the American war machine, its time for a new era of peace and neutrality and with every action this is precisely what the Trump Administration and the patriots behind it are doing.

      People like Tulsi Gabbard are perfect for carrying the torch, but I think trump needs 4 more years, and then it could be her.

      I hope she takes control of the blues to provide the true unison we need to get what the patriots are working towards.
      Jun 30
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      J0lyr0ger 2 things 1- thank you for your service and 2- Amen to all you said!!
      Jun 30
  • Biden stumbled, Bernie was irrelevant as ever, and Kamala won. Runners up were Buttigieg and Warren.
    Jun 28 10
    • Google Dhhdhdb
      ????? 2.4t >>> 75 bn?
      Jun 29
    • Google Dhhdhdb
      2.4 tn is around half the current federal budget
      Jun 29
    • Google Dhhdhdb
      And please don't suggest increasing the debt to fund ubi. I can't think of a stupider idea
      Jun 29
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      Big numbers are clearly just too hard to compare. I mean really 2.4t is close enough to 75b that you could consider it a rounding error.

      Nevermind that's only 3% of the sum, it's close enough that most people don't care.
      Jun 29
    • Pegasystems happyjalap
      Actually Yang explained very well where the money would come from but apparently you spaced out after the first sentence. Go to his website and find info there. It's very comprehensive.
      Jun 29
  • Trump 20/20 for sure now. I was giving the Dems a chance but no way now.
    Jun 29 20
    • Facebook / Eng lkj630
      Bro, read some economic history. The us isn't unique and neither is this situation.
      Jun 29
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      You're the one supporting the legislation to legalize you have to provide the convincing evidence
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      I really don't. The US is the one developed country in the world without socialised healthcare. Feel free to explain to me why it wouldn't work here.
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      Unfortunately you do because that's how a healthy discussion happens. Why do I have to back my own stuff and yours? If you don't want to then I have better things to do this week.

      You also haven't really read my concerns if that's still your question. I know you're just here to push your point and not discuss the consequence of that point, like most liberals I talk with...

      To put it shortly, give me a plan which adequately pays for it without raising taxes on the 1% to an insane amount (it implies you always need the 1% for that policy to work, if you tax them so much they won't be the 1% anymore) and curbs abuse, make it illegal for illegals and deport the illegals. Give me that and you'll be 👌

      Also I know how marginal tax rates work, so when you can skip the demeaning explanation.
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      "I know you're just here to push your point..."
      "You can skip the demeaning explanation"

      Doesn't sound like you're really giving me the benefit of the doubt.

      https://www.thebalance.com/universal-health-care-4156211

      It provides a number of descriptions of what other countries do. The main thing to note is how little the total amount per person actually is - $5k. The US has one of the largest budgets of any country in the world. It had 327 million people, at 5k pp, that's around 1.635 billion. Of course, therefor are a ton of costs this isn't accounting for, but it gives an annual ballpark figure once the system is in place. In terms of making this money up, there's a number of options, some discussed in the source above. Another is looking at what the us currently spends on. For me, the obvious place to grab an extra billion or two from would be military spending, especially in maintaining military bases overseas (for example, shutting Guantanamo would more than make those up). Or reducing the federal prison population. I know that most conservatives would have a knee jerk reaction that that's a terrible idea, so I'm not going to try to convince you, that's just my opinion. You could also take it out of the epa or whatever. The other thing not much discussed is corporate taxes, and yes, raising tax on the richest people. Us tax on the rich is low, but not low enough to actually make it a place rich people would move to avoid tax. There is some mid point to be reached there imo. The tax increase needed would actually be very small. And then finally, there's changing the health care system itself. Healthcare costs in the us are heavily inflated, through endless middle men, as well as mismanagement:
      https://managinghealthcarecosts.blogspot.com/2012/09/waste-in-health-care-iom-version.html?m=1
      The fact that 190 billion is wasted on excessive administration and *105 billion* on services being sold for more than they should cost, gives a good place to start. Increasing competition between healthcare providers (see some of the countries in the first source) would do a lot to push these costs down.
      Currently there is no incentive for healthcare companies to do this.
      Finally, looking at the total costs of what not having health care is, the upfront spending is a significant discount.
      And then, of course, there's the moral view that in such a developed and wealthy country, we have a moral responsibility to make sure that citizens do not die from preventable diseases.

      My answer here does not cover everything eventuality, how could it, would need like 1000 policy pages, and I would definitely not be the right person to write them.
      The reason I hesitated writing a response is it's very easy to take any answer on a forum like this and find one or two gaps and so ignore everything else said. I'm asking you to engage with the answer as if you want to find a solution here, and not just to try and score some points. I'm not going to respond to things like, haha, the immigrants win! Or whatever. I've tried my best to write a genuine answer that begins, not ends, a discussion. In order to have that discussion, we both have to go in with good faith.
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