How do I maximize efforts to get max bonus and get promoted quickly at MSFT

Microsoft rvmaestro
Feb 20, 2018 24 Comments

I’m a new grad SWE and a couple months in

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  • Amazon / Eng
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    Focus on doing your job right and stop obsessing a out promos right out of the gate. For fuck sake...
    Feb 20, 2018 6
    • Amazon / Eng
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      Cause you can’t do both. And I’ve dealt with promo obsessed junior engineers my whole career and they’re backstabbing, brown nosing cancer that’s actually quite mediocre at their job. Cause that’s actually what gets you promoted faster than you deserve. That toxic shit is how you stand out of the median in the normal distribution of talent and get ahead. It doesn’t help you grow, just get ahead. People with amazing abilities just get promoted no matter what in the end.
      Feb 20, 2018
    • Microsoft rvmaestro
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      Lol you’re making assumptions based on your past experiences. I’m not looking for ways to suck up to get ahead. I read an article that said that if you find yourself an expert at something, it’s good to find something else to get into to broaden your expertise instead of get too comfortable in that one field you’re good at. That’s the kind of advice I’m looking for.
      Feb 20, 2018
    • Nvidia zVEC05
      I've had the same experience as Probability.
      Also if you're a new grad, you're not an expert, especially if you think you are. Learn to crawl before you try to run.
      Feb 20, 2018
    • Microsoft rvmaestro
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      I don’t think I’m anywhere near an expert yet. This is just to plan ahead. My team’s domain is small too, so expertise in some areas is not exactly impossible.
      Feb 20, 2018
    • Facebook / Eng walla
      Don't listen to these guys lol. There is no shame needed for wanting to work hard and get promoted quicker.

      "Cause you can't do both" is just him creating a universe where anyone working harder then him is an asshole and anyone working less is lazy. It's a protection mechanism. In reality you can do both successfully and grow in your company.

      Putting your head down until your name is called is part of the reason why companies have a lack of Asian leadership. I think it's partly culture.
      Feb 20, 2018
  • Facebook / Eng walla
    In all honesty you're better off investing that extra time to leetcode. Microsoft doesn't reward it's employees nearly as much as they should be. You'll grind and work overtime only to discover someone working 35 hours a week somewhere else got an average review but still gets paid the same.
    Feb 20, 2018 6
    • Facebook / Eng walla
      My point is your comp won't come close to competing after three years assuming your friends and you put in similar effort. But if you have a good manager and good team that's worth a lot.
      Feb 20, 2018
    • Microsoft kng
      For new grads, MS comp is competitive with Google/FB because of lower taxes and cheaper housing.

      It's only when you get to the senior range does it lag
      Feb 20, 2018
    • Facebook / Eng walla
      Not really since both us and G have offices in Seattle and are growing.
      Feb 20, 2018
    • Microsoft rvmaestro
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      I’m at the CA Silicon Valley campus and my comp is (luckily) better than most of my friends at Google, FB, Apple, Amazon. Probably because I was lucky enough to get other offers and negotiate, and I also got a lot more than the standard Seattle offer since I’m in CA. Only friend with a better comp in the area is one who had multiple post-internship return offers from more competitive companies, and it’s still not too far off. Not sure how things would be in the future though.
      Feb 20, 2018
    • Facebook / Eng walla
      First time I've heard that before. Congrats then and ignore what I said about leaving. What was your offer just curious?
      Feb 20, 2018
  • Nvidia zVEC05
    Some actual advice: Microsoft doesn't reward good work, they reward brown nosing & backstabbing. This works in the short term, but once you rise a little bit you're against people who have been playing that game longer. This is why you can't do both.

    Step 1: be useful on your team, focus on your peers, find the good ones & work hard to be useful to them. They are who will help your career in the long run. They are also who you'll alienate if you play politics. This likely means focusing on what your team is doing.

    Step 2) Focus less on chasing the promotion carrot, it's too easy to get strung along & waste years of your life. Decide where you want to be in 5, 10, 20 years. Work towards those goals. Chart your own path, you only make yourself more valuable in the capacity you want to be valuable.
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    • Amazon / Eng
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      There. Put in a friendlier way.
      Feb 20, 2018
    • Microsoft kng
      Agreed but not all of Microsoft is backstabby but some teams certainly are. Socialize and make friends on other teams if you find your team to be overly political
      Feb 20, 2018
    • Microsoft / Product
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      There are definitely backstabbing people at Microsoft, but if you are executing quickly on something of value, getting it into customer hands and proving your research ahead of time led to something successful, you're going to do just fine. I've been surrounded by my own team of backstabbers, but my manager was aware I was shipping good work on top of what he gave me. I think a lot depends on your manager of course, but hard work pays off.
      Feb 27, 2018
  • Microsoft / Eng 20% raise
    Backstab, take credit for other people’s ideas, spend all day in Outlook / in meetings / slacking off.
    Feb 21, 2018 0
  • Microsoft hduendi
    Do your job. First learn how to efficiently do what is asked of you. Learn your expectations as a SWE, and meet them first, then we can worry about how to exceed them.
    Feb 21, 2018 0
  • Microsoft Cicero
    Find several mentors, preferably hiring managers, to help with these questions. This will build your network of people who will hire you, give mentors a view of your ambition, and hopefully provide some needed counsel.

    Focus on the work and being great first is also great advice and you should not hide your ambition. Good for you.
    Feb 20, 2018 0
  • Microsoft on
    You did the right thing by starting to think about it. Just plan ahead. Have a well defined carrer plan and try to stick to it. Also a career mentor would help, ask friendly people you work with for specific advice.
    Feb 21, 2018 0
  • Cisco Lowlow
    Ppl go to Microsoft to do leetcode full time
    Feb 20, 2018 0
  • New Auhfkoe
    Promotion and titles barely mean anything nowadays. Focus on doing good work, learn about how to manage your money and invest. Want promotion? Look at what your teammates and manager do. When you get promoted, that’s your life. Is that all you want out of life?
    Feb 20, 2018 0