How do you deal with the fact that people who were worse in school than you were, are now on a higher position than you?

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Met three underperformer from my old high school.
Two of them (guy A and guy B) were below average in my math class. But at least guy A had some artistic abilities (later he dropped out of computer science program probably because of math). Guy B was void of any talents. The third guy (guy C) couldn’t do math to save his life (but is a good talker and got lots of confidence.)

Guy A is now technical director of a subsidiary company of one of the largest insurance company in Germany. (Lol what???)

Guy B is now Head of the IT BI analyst team at a well known bank. (I thought he would have dropped out of college too)

Guy C is director of business development EMEAI at an industry known design company. (No way!!!)

I’m currently an intermediate software developer. And I’m thinking how did these guys get there and that the world is a little bit unfair. :/

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  • New / Eng FamazonANG
    If you were doing bad in school doesn’t mean you’ll be bad for the rest of your life. People change and grow. School is not defining your whole life.
    May 12 7
    • Google / Eng hooli.xyz
      “They haven’t changed a bit. They are the same jerks back in high school”

      So what? Jerks can still succeed in life.
      May 12
    • New / Eng
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      I find it strange that a technical director isn’t capable of going through the bachelor of science curriculum of a computer science programs
      May 12
    • Google / Eng hooli.xyz
      Maybe that technical director simply doesn’t care about school? Why would that even matter?
      May 12
    • New / Eng
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      Where does he got his technical skills? He taught it himself? Well, i won’t deny that’s possible as I have taught myself how to program, too. If he’s that good then all power to him. Well deserved. But based on my experience with him he is not a good learner
      May 12
    • Google / Eng hooli.xyz
      Is that really so hard to believe?

      In my previous team at Google, there were five engineers including me. I was the only one with a CS degree. All the rest learned CS on their own. One of them didn’t even finish college because of bad grades.

      People evolve over time. Just because a person was not a good learner when he was in school does not mean he will never be a good learner for the rest of his life.
      May 12
  • New bmmC14
    Based on their titles they are leaders and you’re a mean average engineer.
    May 12 0
  • Facebook openthot
    Sounds like they found a niche they could succeed in, leveraged their social skills, and probably took some risks. If your only skill is coding, you're going to be a coder forever. What have you done to access leadership or management opportunities?
    May 12 5
    • New / Eng
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      Im quite versatile. I studied a different subject but switched fields after graduation and worked as a PhD student to a software developer position. I taught programming myself yet still became technical lead in my last company. Besides coding I do arts as a side hustle (selling my designs online)

      Heck, if they made it that far, then i should be twice as far as they are. But I’m not. That’s what frustrates me
      May 12
    • Facebook openthot
      It seems like you are measuring success by titles and promotions. Find a fast growing company that needs your skills (but likely pays less) and get yourself in a position to move up. Maybe something like a small game studio if you want to leverage your art skills. Basically go after management if that's what's important to you. And please try to learn about good management on your own time, there are too many clowny ineffective managers who are only in it for the wrong reasons
      May 12
    • New / Eng
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      No, management is not what I’m after (I’m afraid of losing my technical skills by going into management; also I live coding). I aspire to be a software architect. But that will probably take another 3 years.
      May 12
    • Microsoft / R&D pr~
      Don't go by the titles, one CTO of a start-up joined my team at L64 and struggling to fit with our pace.
      May 12
    • New / Eng
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      I don’t go by the title alone. It wouldn’t bother me if they came from some tiny start up. But they are working for known brands in their respective industries
      May 12
  • Western Union 30ssss
    They did a great job convincing you. If you have three examples, I think they played and made a fool out of you, sorry.
    May 12 8
    • New / Eng
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      LOL. Totally wrong. I was born and raised in a poor country by poor parents. We never experienced economic prosperity. I don’t use fb for myself (only got a side project that has a fb page and a fb group ). I also don’t think I’m special in a sense that someone/something owes me anything just because I was born; I worked hard and made sacrifices for everything I got and I’m willing to do so in the future. I resemble more the baby boomer generation that the article describes than the Y generation

      But I highly appreciate the points in the last paragraph of the article. Will apply them
      May 12
    • New / Eng
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      Locations? What country you are guys from?
      May 12
    • New / Eng
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      Some corrupted Asian country
      May 12
    • New / Eng
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      East Germany? Lol.
      May 12
    • New / Eng
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      We used to live there, yes. Now west Germany
      May 12
  • Life isn’t fair. Also, stop comparing yourself to your peers. Focus on your own development and what YOU want to get out of life.
    May 12 1
    • GrubHub grubby
      Why are we even talking about fairness?! What’s unfair about someone being bad at school and then great at the workplace? “Fairness” implies some sort of moral misgiving in the past - these people just had different talents than the OP.
      May 12
  • New / Eng
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    Share their TC or let them GTFO. They may earn peanuts with all these fancy titles and hate their lives, but you'll never here that from them.
    May 12 5
    • New / Eng
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      Maybe you are right. My ego may get the best of me
      May 12
    • New / Eng
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      If you are not earning a lot, just leetcode for a year and go for 300k in SFBA, then brag to your "friends" how you are thinking about buying 2M house. Trust me, that's everything you need.
      May 12
    • New / Eng
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      Will try.
      May 12
    • ICU Medical / Mktg
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      Trying my own thing but doing something for someone else. 🤷🏼‍♂️
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      Not with that attitude. "I will try". I hate that phrase.
      May 12
    • New / Eng
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      Will do. In fact I’m doing it in the last weeks already. Going through LC and solve one per day
      May 12
  • Bank of America aiminghigh
    You’re still comparing yourself against people in high school? And acting like performance in school should dictate success?

    Go read The subtle art of not giving a fuck and then get over this sort of bullshit. Measure yourself in ways that help you grow.
    May 12 0
  • Facebook
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    We have never heard of guy D
    May 12 38
    • New / Eng
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      Thanks . I hope so
      May 12
    • Google uzaname
      Are your colleagues by any chance German born and raised? One observation that I had while working with my German partner s some years back was lack of diversity on the higher levels of organization.
      May 12
    • Facebook
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      Dude move to the US
      May 12
    • New / Eng
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      Yes, all Germans
      May 12
    • New / Eng
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      Can’t move to the USA. Girlfriend is here. She is against it.
      May 12
  • Zillow Group 80085
    Focus in your personal growth, maybe those guys are focus on that instead of wondering about you
    May 12 3
    • New / Eng
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      Hmmm
      May 12
    • Amazon qwertyup
      ^ yes, just do better and dont worry about where others are. It is a distraction that will slow you down.
      May 12
    • New / Eng
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      That maybe the answer 👍🏼
      May 12
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    • Lyft wXfl07
      Only Wilson.
      May 12
    • Google / Product
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      Angie to the rescue!
      May 12
  • Amazon broke&dumb
    Math? You're judging people by how good they were at math?
    And you're dismissing "good talker" as an unimportant skill? It's the most important skill in professional and private life.
    May 12 1
    • New / Eng
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      I never said it’s unimportant. I consider it to be very important. (He also talks a lot of nonsense though but that’s beyond the discussion here ) I gave him credit by mentioning it (and his confidence- despite his lack of knowledge) the same way I recognize the other guys artistic ability
      May 12
  • LinkedIn / Eng Vanaspathy
    Who is more happy. That matters. Period!
    May 12 1
    • New / Eng
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      Right now not me. Lol
      May 12
  • Hertz !XXX!
    People can be bad at school and start a career earlier at 20 years old. They start from scratch and take experience from the field and accumulate a lot of knowledge as well as taking a lot of risks in different key projects until they are 25 years old, basically when YOU start your career due to college and after your first experience. This is why some of them are “street smart”. They know the business, they did the job and they know what to do.
    May 12 6
    • Hertz !XXX!
      Why do you hate them so much and you are not just happy for them. I do not think it’s unfair if they worked hard for it. I would think it’s unfair if they got the job just by knowing the big boss. Were they some type of bullies? What about Steve Jobs and other successful people not fit for education and diplomas? Remember the quote: “Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid” Albert Einstein.
      May 12
    • New / Eng
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      Yes, they the typical jerks you know back in school. I don’t hate them. I just don’t think they deserve any success by their action as well as their mental capacities
      May 12
    • Hertz !XXX!
      I understand. I think you are more mad about yourself and it’s not really about them. I’m sure you would be happy for them if YOU were at the VP level. You will get there, I’m sure. Stay focus!
      May 12
    • New / Eng
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      Yes. I think I’m disappointed about myself than anything else.
      May 12
    • New / Eng
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      And No, i wouldn’t be happy for them. It would still surprise me. But it probably wouldn’t bug me as much as it bugs me right now
      May 12
  • Qualcomm NqAf57
    Life isn't fair. Why is that someone on Instagram can make more money in one post than I can in 10 years? Everyone is different and different opportunities exist for different people. You have to embrace what you can get and go after that.
    May 12 1
    • ICU Medical / Mktg
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      Trying my own thing but doing something for someone else. 🤷🏼‍♂️
      user3.0more
      People make money based on what people want. These influencers make money from unfulfilling ventures.
      May 12
  • Sprinklr gryt7
    Two girls at my school studied no math and no science, ended up being 1st and 2nd overall in the class. They studied PR and law initially but then changed to medicine and both are successful doctors. With no math or science. School doesn’t matter anymore once you grow up
    May 12 0
  • Microsoft BarFoo
    Some people learn by doing, not by being taught.
    May 12 0
  • Expedia jus
    Life is not fair. Simple fact.
    May 12 0
  • Charter / Eng
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    Wouldn't Zuckerberg be considered a shit student...
    May 12 5
    • New / Eng
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      He went to Harvard. So he can’t be a shity student. Also he didn’t quit because he couldn’t do the assignment
      May 12
    • Charter / Eng
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      Is it possible they didn't apply themselves because they similarly didn't care to?
      May 12
    • New / Eng
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      One guy went to college but dropped out. Too hard for him. (Technical Director in the subsidiary of the insurance company) The director of business didn’t try to begin with. He made a training as a clerk.

      These guys are so Status obsessed, I’m sure they’d love to get into
      May 12
    • New / Eng
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      But that’s not important. I have learned to concentrate on my self first and not get distracted by other people
      May 12
    • Charter / Eng
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      I think learning style plays a big part of it too. I am an atrocious 'student' and cannot for the life of me sit through typical interactive classes let alone instruction/ lecture based. I have to learn by doing. If the class has any applicable content or concepts I am immediately using those for my own problem solving, and assignment or class benchmark be damned.

      That being said I am a damn good engineer, and can approach nearly any problem without issue to come up with valuable insights. To me they are all problems to be solved, not things I wasn't 'taught' to do.

      That's me though.
      May 12
  • WeWork / Eng mb39
    The way you deal with this is that you don’t... this is such an ignorant post. Maybe they’re at a much higher level than you is because they don’t think about this shit all day. Like dude you’re being a hater.. lol
    May 12 3
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      It’s more of a mix of being disappointed about myself and finding ways how to catch up with them. But I don’t hate them. That’s like giving too much power to them
      May 12
    • WeWork / Eng mb39
      But you shouldn’t be disappointed in yourself. These people were put in the wrong environment that didn’t exploit their true potential. But on the bright side, not everyone can feel this way of disappointment. You can take this feeling and apply it in a motivational way.
      May 12
    • New / Eng
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      Will do and doing it now. Will post an update 6 months from now
      May 12
  • Microsoft / Eng
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    Why don't you just ask them, "How did you guys get to where you are now considering you were shit students????" (And how can I get there too?)
    May 13 1
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      Doesn’t matter to me anymore . Some said I shouldn’t give a fuck. And just concentrate on becoming the best version of myself. That’s exactly what I’m going to do: use my disappointment to fuel my motivation and leet Code the shit out of any other developer. Then in 6 months from now apply to google. I’ll update my progress 6 months from now
      May 13