How does Google determine level?

Amazon / Eng booooooo
Oct 29, 2018 27 Comments

Hi,

Currently a SDE 2, L5 at Amazon, total 3yoe. Interested in Google@Seattle/Kirkland and hopefully getting a T4. I am wondering how/when does Google determine one’s level during the hiring process. Is it before interviews, is it depends on your performance during the interview, or is it determined during the team match period?

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  • LinkedIn / Eng li-troll
    By rolling a twelve sided die.
    Oct 29, 2018 3
    • Amazon / Eng booooooo
      OP
      Not funny
      Oct 29, 2018
    • New / Eng Letcoder
      You don’t decide whether it’s funny or not OP. Let us decide
      Oct 29, 2018
    • Google gadar
      With a 3 on 11 of the sides.
      Oct 29, 2018
  • Microsoft Fhdhcduc
    3 yoe? Welcome to L3. 😂
    Oct 29, 2018 6
    • Microsoft Korvolol
      Fhd is right. With 3yoe they'll assume that you are are the lower side of spectrum for sde2 at Amazon. Correspondingly that places you to the lower T4 at Google => better give t3 to be on safe side. That sucks, but this is how it works.

      Now, of course yoe is not everything. You can fight for T4, but likely you'll need to really impress them to get the desired level.
      Oct 29, 2018
    • Amazon / Eng booooooo
      OP
      Thanks. So generally what type of person can get a L4 directly? 4yoe with fine interview performance?
      Oct 29, 2018
    • Microsoft Korvolol
      No idea, better ask somebody from G. I had a similar situation with 4 vs 5 levels, so for me the answer is "level 4 is for those who wanted lvl 5"
      Oct 29, 2018
    • Google / Eng akline
      You'll probably be downleveled to L3
      Oct 29, 2018
    • Amazon / Eng booooooo
      OP
      @akl. You said this just because 3yoe?
      Oct 29, 2018
  • Google GoldenGod
    L3 is for new grads and people with 3 or less years of experience. L4 is Sr and L5 is manager.

    Unless you crushed interview, you’ll get L3.
    Oct 29, 2018 9
    • Facebook / Eng
      tcyoe|gtfo

      Facebook Eng

      PRE
      Amazon, Microsoft
      tcyoe|gtfomore
      L4 is terminal at Google now
      Oct 29, 2018
    • Facebook / Eng E99
      I know, that doesn’t make it senior though
      Oct 29, 2018
    • Amazon / Eng booooooo
      OP
      What do you mean by terminal
      Oct 29, 2018
    • Facebook / Eng msus33
      Terminal means you can stay at that level forever. In the past, L4s were required to be promoted to L5 or they were fired after some time.
      Oct 30, 2018
    • Google / Eng YFvq18
      I was asked a systems design question for an L3 position...
      Oct 30, 2018
  • Facebook / Eng
    tcyoe|gtfo

    Facebook Eng

    PRE
    Amazon, Microsoft
    tcyoe|gtfomore
    Google is notorious for aggressive downleveling. almost certain that you’ll get L3

    but the equity bands are very wide
    Oct 29, 2018 1
    • Amazon / Eng booooooo
      OP
      Is it just because of 3yoe? What if 4yoe?
      Oct 29, 2018
  • Amazon / Eng booooooo
    OP
    Thanks!
    Oct 29, 2018 0
  • Microsoft YsTJ07
    T4 has system design. Be sure to explain to the recruiter that you are only considering T4 otherwise if you get into the T3 loop then there's no chance of being up-leveled. I think they recently changed their policy regarding this, happened to a very skilled friend of mine.
    Oct 29, 2018 1
    • Amazon / Eng booooooo
      OP
      Thanks! A recruiter contacted me. I will talk to him about that before interviewing.
      Oct 29, 2018
  • New inbed
    Might be helpful to look on http://levels.fyi
    Oct 29, 2018 0

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