How long to stay at AMZN before applying to other companies?

Amazon bezos123
Jun 15, 2018 16 Comments

Just hit 1 year anniversary.

Main motivations to switch:

1. Really hate oncall, getting paged (in the middle of the night) often. I feel like I can't really make any plans that whole week and I feel pretty miserable overall. I also can never go back to sleep after getting paged.

2. Lacking benefits. 401k matching is very poor. Effectively 2% of base versus up to 50% at somewhere like MSFT. Also, cannot frontload HSA because of how their stupid system works, so lose so amount of money to investments here (also have to transfer money to investmrnts every month instead of just once a year). Also, 401k clawback means you can't actually max your 401k (you will get anything over 15k or so refunded) once you get any promotion with 120k base or higher.

3. No perks. Not a big deal but objectively, more perks such as free food is better than having none at all. Annoys me in a sense that the company delibaretly chooses not to optimize the employee experience (also applies to benefits above)

4. Backloaded stock schedule means I'll need to wait like 1.5-2 years to start getting the real compensation gains from stocks.

If I apply with <2 years exp to companies, will I be treated compensation wise more like a college grad than the next level position?

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TOP 16 Comments
  • LinkedIn Others
    Leave amazon now
    Jun 15, 2018 0
  • Have you cried at your desk yet
    Jun 15, 2018 0
  • Signifyd efWh03
    If you're not happy, leave but with your level of experience, its gonna be awkward. You're not a new grad yet you're not too experienced either. (I think 3 years is the sweet spot here)

    I was in that position a year or two ago and have been turned for being too junior yet I didn't count as a new grad either. I eventually found a place that gave me an offer so it still turned out okay. Just prepare well and keep on applying.
    Jun 15, 2018 1
    • Amazon bezos123
      OP
      Wouldn't say I'm extremely unhappy but I don't feel like I want to stay long-term either. Things could be better. It might be that exactly 2 years might be a good time, as I won't have to pay back any bonuses / relocation and might move me out of that "new grad" threshold
      Jun 15, 2018
  • LinkedIn Pwner
    So many Amazonians here at Linkedin. One thing, if you leave with 2 years of work ex there is a good chance you will get in as t4/E4. But with one year you’d have to earn it which might take an year and a half.
    Jun 15, 2018 0
  • Google TheGrim
    It doesn’t really matter, they’ll force you out before 4 years anyway. They don’t like to pay the full vesting schedule.
    Jun 15, 2018 0
  • New etJe45
    Just leave asap. Better to join a better company and set your career straight asap.
    Jun 15, 2018 0
  • Tango Health / Eng lyub4y2
    How bad is the on call? How many times in a quarter? And on your turn how many times a week you get paged?
    Jun 15, 2018 4
    • Amazon bezos123
      OP
      Rotations are one week. Usually close to 5 but can get up to 10 pages (or more!) during worse weeks Most pages for our team are outside of 10am-5pm business hours. Mainly, I hate losing my weekends and feel stressed out every night about whether Im going to be paged
      Jun 15, 2018
    • Tango Health / Eng lyub4y2
      You gotta do what is right for you. Move!
      Jun 16, 2018
    • What do you do during on call? How does it look like?
      Jun 16, 2018
    • Amazon / Eng na1ve
      Just chill. 5 - 10 sev2s per week almost means nothing. You don’t have to be so stressed.
      Jun 14
  • Amazon Jexx
    Switch groups to fix the oncall issue.
    The vesting schedule thing means that you make bank in a couple years.
    The 401k thing - really? MSFT only matches like 3% when I was there, IIRC. And Amazon i thought was the same.
    Jun 15, 2018 2
    • Amazon RideDStock
      Ms has the best retirement benefits now they match up to 9k now and have after tax options
      Jun 15, 2018
    • Amazon bezos123
      OP
      Oh yeah, the "super backdoor Roth" is pretty crazy. I believe it's something like up to 20-30k after-tax money you can contribute. Really good, especially for anyone young who has so many years to invest
      Jun 15, 2018
  • Microsoft Id729!&2
    New grad level most likely. But if you’ve learned anything in your two years you will rise up faster, it’s gonna be a little less pay but will work out in the end
    Jun 15, 2018 0