I’m of the opinion that it is not a customer’s responsibility to always tip (a lot) the server at a restaurant or a cab driver or a hairdresser or a bell boy at a hotel. I know they’re underpaid. But isn’t that the responsibility of the employer instead of the customer to share the burden of the employee’s compensation?
I, as a customer, am already being overcharged for the services. On top of that, you want me to pay 15-20% of the services to the employees who are working for someone else but serving me for the services that I’m already paying for. I have a great deal of difficulty in understanding this system.
I also feel that because the customers are implicitly obliged to pay the tip, the employers are never incentivized to fairly pay their employees.
Can anyone share other perspectives?
- Spotify KXAo87If you want to overturn the system, it's not exactly brave to start by stiffing some working class ppl doing you services.
- You’ve clearly never worked in the service industry. Tipping an extra $2-3 is something you can afford and it means a lot to the people you’re giving the money to.
- If you can afford to pay someone or something, doesn’t mean you should. I can afford to buy $100k car, but I won’t because that’s waste of money - not an exact analogy but you get the point.
Are you guys saying that all service industry workers are underpaid and all service industry employers are assholes?
- Actually I mean that service work is hard and it’s not fun to cater to people. That’s why the tipping concept exists, so you can show some small amount of extra gratuity to someone who just helped you have a good experience. Most waiters for example make min wage and rely on tips for any amount of reasonable income. Some states even pay them less than min wage because they assume tips factor in.
- It is an interesting problem, tips can’t go to back-of-the-house (cooks etc), so they are unfair in that way. If as a restaurant owner you want to change it, you piss off FOH (waiters). Raising prices to make cooks earn more means that tips are even higher for waiters, while making customer unhappy...
- Halliburton heysorryHaving worked in the service industry I tip 20% every time.
I calculate it into the cost before making the purchase. If I can’t afford the tip I can’t afford the service.
That being said, I do think it is an archaic system that should go away. I’m a fan of no tip restaurants that calculate it into the prices. Or ones that automatically add 20%.
- 20% on average, typically 15-25% depending on quality of service. But...
For the love god, TIP YOUR SERVERS PEOPLE! They are taxed 8% per bill automatically, so if you don’t tip, it comes out of their pockets. Plus, by convention, they’re paid about minimum wage and rely on tips to make a living. Most foreigners don’t realize this, but most in tech make good money, so don’t be cheap and please fairly support the people who serve you.
- Uber serfYour description was right in line with what Dwight Schrute from The Office thinks-
“Why tip someone for a job I'm capable of doing myself? I can deliver food, I can drive a taxi, I can and do cut my own hair. I did, however, tip my urologist. Because I am unable to pulverize my own kidney stones.”
- So tipping essentially started in the 17th century in Europe where servers were slipped in more money “to insure Promptitude “... hence the word T.I.P. It trickled down to the US with European travelers coming to the NA or NA travelers picking it from Europe travels.
But it worsened with the slavery age where the slaves (as servers or other jobs that have tipping) were not paid by their employers in the hope that they’ll make a few bucks from tips from customers. Slavery was abolished.. and the employers of the service industry continued to underpay their employees and the burden of fair compensation has gone on to the customers!! That’s my point. It’s not that I won’t pay when I buy a service. But is your employee’s compensation my responsibility..? I’m not sure. With customers paying high tips, the employers are discouraged from raising the minimum wages. If we don’t pay tips, it surely hurts the servers.. I wouldn’t want that.. but the system is flawed here!!
- I’m strictly talking about restaurant take out. Sure they may make more than minimum wage but it’s the most common for them to be making only a few dollars an hour plus tips. That’s how the service industry works. They dont pay their employees $15/hr plus tips to shove chinese food out the door. And if I tipped someone $3 who already made $15 for that hour then big f** deal, I can spare $3
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- Amazon KHCr70Tipping system is dumb.
But dont be an asshole and take it out on service staff. That would be exactly like some stranger yelling at you in the street because his amazon prime delivery was late.
I tip 15% for sitdown restaurants, 10% for cafes, and 0 for anything with no service (like fast food)
- 0% on take out. If I could reach behind the counter and grab my food, I would. Tipping is BS especially with waiters making 15/hr now
- Cisco vzIq77I actively avoid situations that require tipping because I don’t like having to pay tips. That being said, I usually tip 15% if service was good.
- Amazon CiJN18Don’t hate the player, hate the game. Refusing to tip won’t change anything. That said, I usually tip 15% unless it’s someplace where I’m a regular. I figure if you’re going to drop good tips it should be someplace where you’ll come back and be recognized. Last Christmas I tipped 40% on a meal where the guy greets me by name when I walk in.
- Amazon goat1In Seattle minimum wage for tipped employees is $12, if working for a chain it's $16. Going by the arguments in this thread, should we tip less in Seattle? Some restaurants even add a Seattle wage tax, do you count this in as part of your tip?
- Here is a scenario:
When I go to pick up my own food, the cashier seems to expect tip and makes me sign the receipt (even through you don’t have to). Say I give tip to the cashier, it goes to restaurant/cashier.
Now when I order through third party service like DoorDash, I don’t add a tip to the order but I tip the driver. Does this mean, by introducing this middleman, cashier/restaurant lost their tip? Or may be they built in the tip on extra prices that you pay via DoorDash.
How does this work?