How much more $ would make you move to bay area?

Microsoft VxDG20
Nov 6 31 Comments

Did well in interview, expecting an offer soon for a position in Bay area.

I know CoL difference and taxes, but what other costs should I take into account when deciding how much is enough for me to move there? Time spent in traffic? Schools, daycare? ...?

Also, what is better there? Weather, food / restaurants, other?

If you moved from Seattle to Bay or vice versa, would appreciate especially your input.

I live now 15 minutes drive away from MS campus, 5 minutes walk to restaurants. TC: 🎄fiddy

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TOP 31 Comments
  • Credit Karma UIpf04
    Double TC or don’t move. The homeless encampments, housing, violence and overcrowding is very troublesome.
    Nov 6 0
  • New / Mktg
    mktng101

    New Mktg

    PRE
    Oracle
    mktng101more
    Don't do it unless comp is more than doubling. No piece of mind and shot quality of life
    Nov 6 0
  • Apple
    pDXP36

    Apple

    BIO
    IC4, Base: 170, TC: 240, YOE: 6, 1 YR @🍎
    pDXP36more
    What part of the Bay? Seattle has culture. SF, maybe even Oakland could feel like a good place to be (though not as nice as Seattle) but South Bay is awful. I'm glad I took my job here for career growth, but eventually I want to get back to Seattle. The biggest issue here is commute. Imagine driving from Tacoma to Seattle every day. There is no commuter train to many job centers. Bart and CalTrain are a joke compared to ST either light rail or the Sounder. You'll spend 3 times more for rent and be in some 1950's tear down or a 900 sq. ft apartment. Also, this place feels very conservative compared to King County. The kids in schools are cut throat against one another, the parents are worse. Forget environmental awareness. If they turned Bellevue Square mall into a place you could live, that would be the Bay Area. If you come to the Bay, come with a plan for how to leave.
    Nov 6 3
    • Microsoft
      Gnec

      Microsoft

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      Google, Amazon, Facebook
      Gnec more
      How much were u offered to
      Move there?
      Nov 6
    • Apple
      pDXP36

      Apple

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      IC4, Base: 170, TC: 240, YOE: 6, 1 YR @🍎
      pDXP36more
      TC 280, 6 YOE
      Nov 6
    • Microsoft VxDG20
      OP
      Job is in Cupertino
      Nov 6
  • Arista Networks pidof
    I've lived in Sunnyvale and Cupertino for 10 years and also went to public school there. Schools are very good, a bit competitive. It's also extremely safe and clean, nice place to raise a family for sure. Food is decent, we have Cupertino Square with a few restaurants, and downtown Mountain View and Campbell are pretty close. Also there is downtown SJ w/ San Pedro Market. If you work close you should be fine. Don't pay too much attention to the negative reviews lol.
    Nov 7 6
    • Microsoft VxDG20
      OP
      Are the homeless & violence etc. mentioned above just a SF issue?
      Nov 7
    • New LTvg57
      2bed house is 1 million dollars
      Nov 7
    • Dell LUHV04
      Got it
      Thanks
      Nov 7
    • Intel
      GROV3R

      Intel

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      Elmo is my roll dawg
      GROV3Rmore
      Arista makes great points. lot of folks overblowing it in comments. 350k buys you a great life in a good neighborhood. more is better of course but it's not like you're broke at 350k unless you're an idiot and buy Lambo's and Dom P every week.
      Homeless issue largely contained to the major streets in SF. Very little in most Santa Clara counties.
      And weather in SFBA is multiples better than Seattle. Not even close. I could personally never live in PNW.
      Nov 7
    • Arista Networks pidof
      @OP yes the homelessness and violence stuff is SF, Oakland, etc. polar opposite of Sunnyvale/Cupertino
      Nov 7
  • Rakuten / Ops
    tooQ10

    Rakuten Ops

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    Rakuten USA
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    Obligatory: YoE 20, TC 41k. Such is life for us non-SWE office monkeys!
    tooQ10more
    My company has an office in San Mateo (is that part of the Bay?) and people there make double what we in Japan HQ are paid. SWEs probably triple or quadruple.
    Nov 7 1
    • Intel
      GROV3R

      Intel

      BIO
      Elmo is my roll dawg
      GROV3Rmore
      Yes that is part of SFBA, the left peninsula below SFO airport. beautiful part of town. If you can move to San Mateo for 2-4x comp I would. But all million dollar homes...
      Nov 7
  • Roku cruella
    SF>Seattle
    Nov 6 0
  • New LTvg57
    Bay Area is great. But expensive AF and good bit of traffic. Never been to Seattle.
    Nov 6 0
  • Credit Karma UIpf04
    YouTube search for “Bay Area Freeway Sideshow” “SF Market Street Shootout” and “Civic Center BART” for a sampling of what the Bay Area has to offer.
    Nov 6 2
    • Workday / Eng SpagtiCode
      Bay Area is not just SF! Why can't people understand that?
      Nov 6
    • Roku cruella
      Bay Area is not just SF.
      But SF is obviously the best the bay has to offer. And it’s also way better than almost anywhere else in the whole country.
      Nov 7
  • New deflow
    People move OUT of bay area
    Nov 6 0
  • Microsoft VxDG20
    OP
    Wow, double? So not even L8 director roles are worth the move in your view?
    Nov 6 3
    • Apple
      pDXP36

      Apple

      BIO
      IC4, Base: 170, TC: 240, YOE: 6, 1 YR @🍎
      pDXP36more
      I moved for a 350% increase. I wish I'd asked for more.
      Nov 6
    • Microsoft VxDG20
      OP
      Good for you! But % don't pay my bills, $ does. My TC is now 350k. I take all these warnings seriously, but can't believe I would need 700k to live comfortably (or to compensate for the discomfort)
      Nov 6
    • Intel
      GROV3R

      Intel

      BIO
      Elmo is my roll dawg
      GROV3Rmore
      You don't need double or 700k. That is ludicrous.
      Nov 7
  • Facebook public2
    Just be rich and the bay is the best place to live!
    Nov 6 3
    • Microsoft VxDG20
      OP
      Well obviously. Bay area has about 20% higher CoL, including 30% higher cost of housing, not considering about 10% higher taxes. So if I make about 30% more there, I should be ok.

      But then come all these other life quality impacting factors I would want to put some monetary value on. Maybe impossible, but as an engineer I must at least try to rationalize this.
      Nov 6
    • Lyft WdHo51
      The problem is living in a place where 10% of the people are millionaires. You gonna feel poor even with 50% more money.
      Nov 6
    • Facebook public2
      Yep, the bay is not about surviving it's about thriving. Aim higher than just making rent :)
      Nov 7
  • Facebook newgradenn
    Weather and food is way better. Especially the food if you are into asian food. Commute obviously depends a lot on where you live but it tends to be a little worse than Bellevue Seattle area in my experience.

    In terms of school there's a lot of good ones, do your research in that. What ethnicity are you? Somewhat relevant question for the schools thing
    Nov 6 1
    • Facebook newgradenn
      Another commenter is right in that the schools are more cutthroat. I found that youth that were pnw natives were a lot more benign/nice though not necessarily more sociable. I'd say in terms of transplant population they are roughly the same
      Nov 6

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