How much worse off am I at an interesting team at Amazon vs. a low impact team at FB/Google?

Amazon / Eng IsStupid
Jan 22, 2018 56 Comments

I’m most likely going to be joining a growing team in {AWS, Alexa} that’s working on some legit cool ML stuff that’s got to work at scale. At the same time, I know folks doing infra at FB (sandcastle CI, dev tools). How much better off are them than me or vice versa?

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  • Amazon / Eng 🤠cowboy
    You realize amazon is a highly revered company outside of interns measuring their dicks on blind, right?
    Jan 22, 2018 9
    • Facebook floww
      I have a lot of friends not in Tech. Their minds are blown when I show them the luxuries in the tech world. I recommend expanding your contact circle because that perspective is good to know.
      Jan 23, 2018
    • Amazon / Eng IsStupid
      OP
      Yeah a lot of non techies don’t believe me when I tell them Fbs new grad signing bonuses when I bitch about them.
      Jan 23, 2018
    • Microsoft x87
      Why do you talk to people about that?! Pro tip: don't talk about compensation to ANYONE
      Jan 23, 2018
    • Facebook floww
      Compensation is easily Googleable, though. First thing on "X company new grad offer" will show the (roughly) correct amounts.
      Jan 23, 2018
    • Facebook wrxXv73V8k
      From experience, despite ranges being easily discoverable on Google, most people have no idea what top tier tech company comp is like and I think it’s probably better that way.
      Jan 23, 2018
  • Amazon / Eng me98402
    Dude, either way it won't matter...u will be old and done in no time and no one gives two cents about you or your company ....do what makes your life happier and easier
    Jan 22, 2018 1
    • Amazon FreeHat
      +100. Taking a boring job for years to impress nameless people in the future sounds really stupid if you think about it. This is your life, man! And anyone that values a name, totally devoid of the context of your work, is a dumb shit that you probably don't want to work for.
      Jan 22, 2018
  • What the hell are you even asking?
    Jan 22, 2018 4
    • Amazon / Eng IsStupid
      OP
      Is it better for someone’s career to do cool shit at low tier company or lame shit at top tier company?
      Jan 22, 2018
    • Google / Eng tropicthun
      @Uber his username says it all. Looking for validation is my guess.
      Jan 22, 2018
    • Amazon / Eng IsStupid
      OP
      I’ve never gotten validation. Maybe that’s why I’m so fucked up.
      Jan 22, 2018
    • Oracle Delphi
      Do lame shit then xfer.
      Jan 23, 2018
  • Amazon dnRx46
    Project >> company if that's your question.
    Jan 22, 2018 2
    • Facebook / Eng E12
      I absolutely disagree. I know people who worked on fantastic projects at Yahoo who were miserable because of the shitshow of the company. Much happier to have smaller scope at FB, learned more too because people actually cared about excellence.
      Jan 23, 2018
    • Amazon dnRx46
      I interpreted OP asking which choice has better long term career potential. I think what you do matters more than where you do it, if you are having to make that choice. If you get both, nothing like it.
      Jan 23, 2018
  • Microsoft sudo rm-r
    No matter how interesting the work is, at Amazon you will always be a second class citizen. At FB or G you will be first class citizen, and you'll be able to move to teams that are at par with your expectations. I've had 4 offers from Amazon in the last couple of years, and I always turned them down to join different and (more humane) companies. I urge you to do the same.
    Jan 22, 2018 6
    • Amazon / Eng IsStupid
      OP
      Wait who’s treated well? I’ve never heard that.
      Jan 23, 2018
    • Amazon tipipoo
      Some of us at AWS are treated well, if your experience is different I would recommend finding a new team/org
      Jan 23, 2018
    • Amazon / Eng IsStupid
      OP
      In what way are you treated well? In my building the best of it was we got snacks
      Jan 23, 2018
    • Amazon tipipoo
      Providing snacks is the lowest common denominator of treating someone well. It's cheap and requires very little effort. To treat someone well you practice empathy and empowerment. I get the sense that my manager up to my director cares about me and my growth. I am able to wfh whenever needed, no questions asked. I can arrive when I want, the focus is on my delivery. I am involved in leadership discussions and everyone communicates with respect. I have access to PEs who are helping me grow. Sure there have been times when I have felt frustrated, but my frustrations were heard not ignored or dismissed. I consider myself lucky, I know this is likely not the norm but an exception.
      Jan 23, 2018
    • Chase tjPE83
      Who are the first class citizens at Amazon then? PMs?
      May 24, 2018
  • Uber IGWY68
    3btc
    Jan 22, 2018 0
  • Facebook
    alterego

    Facebook

    PRE
    Microsoft
    BIO
    dev, human,
    alteregomore
    Many people in FB have very high opinion about Amazon, the thing they realized are just amazing ;)
    Jan 23, 2018 10
    • Amazon dnRx46
      Yup you are fucking with us. Time to change your alias.
      Jan 23, 2018
    • Amazon / Eng IsStupid
      OP
      Not even ducking with you. I’m just sad that society says I’m stupid and worthless
      Jan 23, 2018
    • Amazon dnRx46
      Did anyone actually say it, or is it just in your head?
      Jan 23, 2018
    • Amazon / Eng 🐡👨‍💻💦.
      Yeah do seem pretty stupid and worthless. Can't argue with that
      Jan 23, 2018
    • Amazon / Eng NoBonusRIP
      Mostly in my head but I can see it in their disappointment when I tell them where I work
      Jan 24, 2018
  • eBay / Eng
    seat

    eBay Eng

    BIO
    Why did you click on me 😡
    seatmore
    Least work + most pay = more time to do interesting shit like traveling the world and tuba lessons
    Jan 22, 2018 1
    • Amazon Boomwowwow
      Not really if you don’t have unlimited leave
      Jan 22, 2018
  • Amazon Manixi
    0.873 off.
    Jan 22, 2018 0
  • Amazon dnRx46
    Most of Big-tech is just a door opener for most of us. It gets you attention. Then, it's up to you to impress. Project >> Company.
    Jan 22, 2018 0
  • Amazon Boomwowwow
    Since nobody gives you serious answer I’ll take a crack. I’ll choose Amazon
    1. Challenging + interesting problem (no brainer, duh)
    2. Growing domains plus Amazon is leader in both of them
    3. Easy exit opportunity
    4. Might also surrounded better colleagues (AWS especially tends to draw the higher calibre of SDEs)
    Jan 22, 2018 0
  • Snapchat YaIr04
    Google imposter syndrome
    Jan 22, 2018 0
  • Qualcomm / Eng zHIy06
    1.5e-2.4
    Jan 22, 2018 0
  • Bloomberg BhVV34
    You are at a better position. High impact is high impact, in a few years you will be a much more desirable than someone at the best company working on low impact stuff.
    Jan 23, 2018 0
  • Amazon amzn11
    I’ve turned down Google offers twice because I was doing more interesting work at Amazon. I’ve also been a part of at least a dozen interviews with Googlers who were turned away by Amazon. Now I’m not saying one company is better or harder than the other, just that they are different. Different cultures, projects, businesses, benefits, comp philosophy, etc.
    Jan 27, 2018 0
  • Microsoft LINB72
    Seriously. I would go for the more interesting, challenging role even at lower pay. Some extra bucks in my bank account won't make me happier if I am doing something I don't enjoy.
    Jan 22, 2018 0
  • Qualtrics WNzi64
    yes
    Jan 22, 2018 0
  • Amazon / Eng amzzzz
    Pick the manager/team that you like best. You’re going to be spending more time with them than anyone else in your life.
    Jan 23, 2018 0
  • Facebook tracer tee
    Big if true
    Jan 22, 2018 0
  • Apple chipotlefa
    Go for Amazong
    Jan 22, 2018 0

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