Women in TechNov 30, 2019
Googleyy444xc

How to counter "she wants to get more visibility for herself" comment?

We are a small team of 6 people (program managers), all fairly new except for 2. I was trying to help 4 of us who do related work, to try and get more visibility by trying to piece together all our work and connect the dots. Instead one idiot teammate (guy) went and gave feedback to my boss that I was trying to get more visibility and be more "aggressive". My boss gave me a big lecture about trying to fit in, and taking it slow and not be "aggressive" . Should I confront the idiot who gave that feedback or just let it go and be more careful?

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Akamai Technologies hpBF22 Nov 30, 2019

Your boss is a fucking wuss ass and needs to grow a pair. That guy needs to get punched in the face. If I were your boss I’d give you greatly exceeds maybe even redefine expectations for tormenting your SJW coworker.

Google yy444xc OP Nov 30, 2019

Indeed. He is not a bad guy but is new himself. Can't believe Google can be a toxic environment sometimes.

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XoAY48 Nov 30, 2019

If you can let it go and just work for projects benefit, you will eventually get recognized. You will build skill. Note: I am not a PM.

NVIDIA pBWI45 Nov 30, 2019

I assume (from title) that you are female. Unfortunately this seems like a typical scenario that they expect women to try to hide and not stand out. I bet both the colleague and your boss would have reacted differently... Sorry you have to deal with such idiots.

Google yy444xc OP Nov 30, 2019

Yup! I am Asian female if that matters. Idiot coworker and boss are both male.

Akamai Technologies hpBF22 Nov 30, 2019

Google is rotting from within

Microsoft iamletired Nov 30, 2019

Did you communicate with your teammate about what you were doing? Without context, that sort of thing can come across as very underhanded

Google yy444xc OP Nov 30, 2019

We were all part of the things we were doing. Nothing was done without their knowledge. They all nodded their heads at that time.

Redfin archon Nov 30, 2019

Honestly dumb move by your manager telling you about the complaint. Sounds like you work with idiots tbh.

Google yy444xc OP Nov 30, 2019

I agree. Google is so touchy feely so every little complaint or feedback is taken seriously.

Google yy444xc OP Nov 30, 2019

I had to get this off my chest. In all honesty, I am going to move on and be more careful.

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h0r4y Nov 30, 2019

You should talk shit behind that idiot's back. Revenge

Cruise Automation blankstare Nov 30, 2019

PMs is a function that needs to get visibility or else no one understands what you're doing. Most jobs are like that, performance review season is literally a visibility contest. If your manager doesn't understands this I wonder how good they are at getting resources.

Google kivi Dec 1, 2019

Sorry this happened. Google is generally bottom up, and you were doing exactly what you were supposed to. Please don't this discourage you. You should talk to the dude. Hear his side, and explain that he too gets visibility. Indirectly, you let him know that you know about the complaint. Set the expectation that next time he talks to you first before going to boss. You play nice, but keep a close an eye on him. If your boss pulls the same trick again: a) reiterate that you are attempting to be a team player, b) tell your boss that you wished dude came to you to clear up misunderstanding before escalting, c) convince boss that more unity among PM's is good for him. Good luck.

Wayfair _wayfair_ Dec 1, 2019

Unfamous opinion - I would agree with your boss about fitting in. While you trying to connect dots and get everybody some visibility for your work, this also means you taking the ownership for the visibility of their we work, which makes all of you slightly good and you, much better. Nobody likes when someone tries to be their boss and manage their work for them. I'm not saying you shouldn't do this, especially because it contributes to your team, workflow and you. You should make others in your team want you to do it. I heard likeevelling with subordinates is very important at Google. I can imagine how important it is to have strong relationship and making everybody feel equal in a team.

Target wdlnd Dec 1, 2019

I had the exact same thing happen in my last role. Boss was a first-time manager and a keep-everyone-happy kind of person. The only way large corporations will stop tolerating and perpetuating insecure man-baby behavior—like this bummer of a situation—is to take a formal stance and train their leaders how to deal with it as it relates to the company policy. C-suite leaders need to ask themselves, do we tolerate expecting a person of a specific gender to behave in specific ways? If yes, add it to the code of conduct and stand behind your unfavorable truth. If no, train managers to identify intelligence/creativity vs “not being a team player,” and big picture thinking/drive/decisiveness vs “being aggressive”. Then train them to identify man-tantrums (mantrums) and tell the guy to either get onboard or get over it.

Google LeaksR'Us Dec 2, 2019

Mantrum 💀 y'all wildin