Hi y'all, Apple recruiter just told me that my interview feedback is positive. He will call next week to figure out what my TC expectation would be. I feel like I really nailed that interview. My question is that how would you go about figuring out what a appropriate TC to give them, or even how to begin negotiating. I am clueless when it comes to this kinda thing. I'd really appreciate some tips. PnR TC: 170K YO: 6 #apple
Just adding to Blingboob3 answer. Having another competing offer on hand will make you look more attractive to them and it is perhaps one of the easiest ways to get more $.
OP did you finalize on the offer ?
All these strategies sound great in theory but may not work unless you have competing offers and pit them against one another.
you are 100% right. it is useless.
The offer is driven by market data and guided by professional negotiation strategies. don’t waste your time to fight against pro. Either you get competing offer so it can make sure you get reasonable market average offer , or you have some key expertise which they desperately want
Most of what’s been said is good advice, but unfortunately the advice of staying silent about salary expectations doesn’t always work these days. Recruiters have caught onto this strategy and will just lowball you if you refuse to give a target number or range. Then they will anchor the negotiated numbers to the lower starting point. These days there is loads of info on comp, ie levels.fyi. Definitely don’t say your current TC, but I think giving a range (lower bound by max(your comp*1.2,target leveled.fyi number), upper bounded by levels.fyi or stock/2 if HWE) can’t hurt as long as the range has some amount of overlap with what they *can* offer.
Agree with this. First hand experience of being lowballed when I asked them to give me market rate comp. The odds are always against job seekers, though blind and levels.fyi has helped to even the playing field a bit.
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Basics steps of salary negotiation: 1. Don't tell them what you make 2. Don't give out the first number 3. Once you wait them out, they will give you a number. --> Don't say yes or no to the number they give you. Tell them you need to think about ' how this fits into the broader picture for you'. Tell them you'll call back in a couple of days. 4. Don't call them back 5. When they reach out again, give them a number 50% over over what you think you're worth, do some compensation research. If they counter immediately, tell them you'll need some time to mull it over. 6. Sit down and write a thorough email to them that states all the reasons why you deserve the number you quoted. Say nothing about the number they offered. 7. They will come back with a number, more often than not, this is the best number they can do for you. 8. Now that you've reached your base ceiling, get on the phone and ask for a better bonus %, RSU or signon bonus. Tell them you're walking away from <insert inflated number> in order to join their org. 9. They will send you an offer, which will be the best they can do. Thank me later. - A guy who turned an original 120/0%/30k to a 150/15%/90k offer after negotiating for 2 weeks. The job I was coming from was paying me 98/10%/10k. That's why it's important not to let them know what you make 6yoe
Thanks a lot. This is an excellent advice. Email is a little less pressure but how about talking on the phone? I can see how they keep pushing me to give them a number
They're trained to make you think they're out of time, have no budget and will be a little negative to you. Understanding that the company don't want to restart the hiring process is important to overcome being intimidated by them.