How to not take getting PIP personally?

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Jun 24 36 Comments

I used to have a great relationship with my manager, but when they told me that I got PIPed I sort of felt betrayed? I want to be clear that I'm not saying that they shouldn't have PIPed me for our relationship, I felt betrayed because I didn't see it coming at all? Anyone been in a situation like this? How do you just focus on getting out of PIP rather than focusing on taking it personally?

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  • Yelp / Eng sJJv80
    If you weren’t seeing signs and getting explicit warnings beforehand, either you have a bad manager, or your manager is being forced to do the bidding of bad managers above them. PIP should never be coming out of the blue.
    Jun 24 2
    • Intel
      BOBBY_AXE

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      ^^^ this. Well said.
      Jun 24
    • AT&T / IT soshan
      Same.
      Jun 24
  • Salesforce blah blah1
    I’d first analyze the human aspect. Birds of a feather flock together. Is he the same race as you?

    And if anyone thinks race doesn’t matter they’ve not worked at big companies long enough.
    Jun 24 9
    • Peloton / Other
      Thizzy

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      Thizzymore
      Maybe I should be more specific. Bamboo Ceiling towards east Asians.
      Jun 27
    • Perficient redbirds
      @Thizzy: Here is a list since you're too lazy to google this:

      1. Irving Tan - SvP, Head of Operations - responsible for Cisco's Operating strategy and implementation
      2. Amy Chang - SVP and General Manager, Cisco Collaboration: Leads Cisco's Collaboration business( Webex portfolio including Meetings, Teams, Devices, Calling, and Contact Center)
      3. Anuj Kapur - SVP and Chief Strategy Officer: Responsible for the company's overall strategic direction and is on the review board for Cisco's Investment arm
      Jun 27
    • Perficient redbirds
      I can't imagine WHY a leading organization wouldn't want someone with a victim, woe-is-me mentality on their executive team...
      Jun 27
    • Peloton / Other
      Thizzy

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      Thizzymore
      @Perficient why not list the whole executive list. And Irving is the only one that is an executive officer. Know your shit before you talk shit. The Cisco exec team is
      Chuck Robbins CEO
      Mark Chandler EVP CLO CCO
      Gerri Elliot EVP CSO CMO
      David Goeckeler EVP and GM
      Kelly A Kramer EVP CFO
      Maria Martinez EVP CCEO
      Oh yeah. Last but not least
      IRVING Tan Not a EVP but a SVP COO.
      You should l2google and research before you talk about shit you have no idea about.
      Jun 27
    • Peloton / Other
      Thizzy

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      Thizzymore
      Also it's not a woe is me victim mentality but the truth. You seen to be in the victim state of things as sometimes the truth is hard to accept and you go straight to denial or excuses. This has been proven on multiple occasions by the few east Asian c-level executives who broke through the bamboo ceiling in their own words
      Jun 27
  • Cisco JUio06
    If your on a pip look for another job asap.
    Jun 24 1
    • Cisco VHNk31
      Right answer
      Jun 24
  • Oracle movingOut
    There is pip in Cisco 😳
    Jun 24 4
    • eBay / Other ebabe
      I’ve heard they always cut the bottom 5%
      Jun 24
    • Cisco webecisco
      Which personally I’m glad they do cut the bottom of the barrel. Dead weight needs to keep moving.
      Jun 25
    • eBay / Other ebabe
      Does it really seem like this method works?
      Jun 25
    • Cisco webecisco
      At AT&T the bad performers stick and survive somehow. It sucks and it makes it harder to grow as these poor performers learn how to survive and grow not so good work. So yes, I want to see the bottom 5% moved on.
      Jun 25
  • Cisco cTfq66
    There is no getting out of pip. You need to find a new job.
    Jun 24 0
  • Indeed getlikeme
    Play along. Stealth job hunt. Ghost their asses.

    J/k ... don’t ghost them, but do leave. PIPs are unhealthy HR tactics.
    Jun 25 0
  • Microsoft jT47lg
    If your manager didn’t make it clear it was coming based on your performance earlier, then your manager did screw you a little.
    Jun 24 0
  • Peloton / Other
    Thizzy

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    Thizzymore
    Performance improvement plan
    Jun 24 0
  • T-Mobile fun oh
    Why call it PIP than calling it GTFO
    Jun 25 1
  • CenturyLink / Sales phoneman
    Perhaps it has to do with you finishing every sentence with a ? mark when you aren't even asking a question.

    Your manager should've come with a plan of action to go along with the PIP, otherwise your manager is not doing their part to help improve your performance.
    Jun 24 1
  • Comcast dhanadia
    It's easy to get bogged down with taking it personally and developing hated formmanaher and company. If I were you would look hard and leave fastest possible
    Jun 26 0
  • Sprint RobReport
    I have. Usually its because your managers bosses are making him do it.
    Jun 24 0
  • FogHorn / Eng
    gyro

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    gyromore
    What is PIP?
    Jun 24 0
  • Cisco Fzch37z
    They just tell you today? Are the LRs coming??
    Jun 24 0
  • Cisco cTfq66
    Take msa and leave. That will keep the option of future return to Cisco open.
    Jun 24 2
    • Salesforce nbHz42
      What is msa?
      Jun 25
    • Cisco cTfq66
      Mutual separation agreement.
      Jun 25
  • Cisco snejwj
    Do you deserve a PIP ? If yes then suck it up - if not then fuck it up. BTW pip means please leave
    Jun 24 0

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