How's working at Microsoft w. a family post-Nadella?

Amazon DjsbEi3z
Jun 16, 2018 17 Comments

I'm a 7 year Amazonian contemplating a move to Microsoft for three primary reasons: better benefits & work-life balance without a total comp hit. My current organization has a reputation for not being a place where you can have a family and a successful career, but that feels true for most of Amazon. My team has been hemorrhaging good performers to Google and MSFT for the last 12 months, mostly to Cloud Platform and Azure, and they're trying to convince me to join them. The perks at Google are nice, but not important and designed to keep you at work as long as possible. I have an infant and a wife that also works full-time, so I'm not really considering Google.

(Note: Not interested in hearing from jaded MSFT lifers, or former MSFTies who left before the stack-ranking annual review process changed. Your opinions are valid, but probably not helpful.)

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  • Amazon / Eng You have a
    What role/level are you? You might be able to find a role internally that has better WLB. We have 3 SDEs on paternity leave right now.
    Jun 16, 2018 4
    • Facebook Chevy
      Most likely you guys will fire atleast one, once they are back from their leave.
      Jun 16, 2018
    • Amazon DjsbEi3z
      OP
      Especially since the culture change that started in response to the NY Times article has been shot dead by the Amazon lifers in upper management. HR completely failed, and all of the new processes have become suggestions that can be ignored & multiple orgs are going back to stack ranking, hard bell curve requirements, top-grading, and the old promo doc group read process. You can say you won't, but when your L8 or L10 wants names for the chopping block, all 3 of those folks are at-risk "compared to their peers." Hard to raise the bar and spend time with your family, but that's their fault, I guess.
      Jun 16, 2018
    • Amazon / Eng
      Hooliganss

      Amazon Eng

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      Hooliganssmore
      ^^ not from what I’ve seen. Paternity and maternity leaves are celebrated by the teams I’ve been on, and they most certainly weren’t fired when they got back. Granted amazon is not a “rest and vest” kind of environment; you do actually have to do something to justify your 200+ salary, but it’s not like anything I’ve heard regarding pre-NYT.

      Amazon does employ a handful of people, so obviously your mileage may vary (like any large company).
      Jun 16, 2018
    • Amazon / Eng You have a
      There are weaker SDEs on my team who will more likely be PIP’d than the ones on leave.

      I do hate the cut throat aspect of amazon and can’t blame you if you want to leave that behind. I hate knowing that me being successful means someone I work with everyday is getting fired.
      Jun 16, 2018
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    • Uber / Eng
      bambambam

      Uber Eng

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      bambambammore
      😂😂😂😂😂😂 He said “workS full-time” though
      Jun 16, 2018
  • Amazon / Eng
    Hooliganss

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    Hooliganssmore
    “Not interested in hearing from jaded MSFT lifers, or former MSFTies who left before the stack-ranking annual review process changed. “

    This reads like you’re interested solely in positive experiences. Probably not the best approach.
    Jun 16, 2018 3
    • Amazon DjsbEi3z
      OP
      I've seen enough circle jerks where these folks feel compelled to come out of the woodwork to share their (usually overwhelmingly negative) experiences.

      As I said, their opinions are valid for their experience, but not helpful if they left before Nadella's culture change picked up steam, or just want to talk about how much better/worse it is than when they started 25 years ago. Nostalgia has zero value in this context.
      Jun 16, 2018
    • Amazon / Eng
      Hooliganss

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      Hooliganssmore
      Just to be clear though, negative experiences that current employees have are good though
      Jun 16, 2018
    • Amazon DjsbEi3z
      OP
      Absolutely
      Jun 16, 2018
  • Microsoft JayZee
    I’m not a jaded employee but there is no WLB in Azure. Not sure where you got that from. If anything GCP has that
    Jun 16, 2018 2
    • Tango Health / Eng fifafever
      How bad it is?
      Jun 16, 2018
    • Amazon DjsbEi3z
      OP
      +1 Yeah, please share whatever you feel safe posting.
      Jun 16, 2018
  • Microsoft LUYt42!
    What is your level and what level are you looking at in Microsoft? Levels matter a lot on WLB.
    Jun 16, 2018 1
    • Amazon DjsbEi3z
      OP
      High 64 or 65, depending on the org.
      Jun 16, 2018
  • Microsoft Closed
    Stack ranking is not gone. Meetings still happen, peoples names still pushed to get top rewards. Anyone average, no they are not ranked.
    Jun 16, 2018 0
  • Facebook hx5jjil9
    Google, particularly Seattle/Kirkland office has very good wlb
    Jun 16, 2018 0

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