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I Got Into FAANG, Now What?

Undisclosed ZnYsb61
Nov 28

I’ll be starting at Apple in July once I graduate, working as a data scientist in the Services group in Cupertino.

This is my first job so I wanted to know from current FAANGers - what’s it like? What should I expect?

Also what should I do these next 6 months to best prepare for the start of my career?

Any tips or advice would be greatly appreciated!

TC: 140k base /110k RSU / 15k signing

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  • Microsoft SwitchJobs
    Get into FNG now.
    Nov 2822
    • Apple zbgs
      As someone who lives halfway across the globe I grow up from, I would disagree that fb is a net negative for the society. Without it, I would never be able to keep up with many of my old friends and even celebrate their marriage, childbirth etc. (of course, it also comes with all the negative news like chronic diseases and people passing away etc.)

      Tldr, it must be great never growing out of the bubble.

      Disclaimer, I works at fb now.
      Nov 29
    • Comcast sKML28
      @@op are you sure u didn’t get a rejection from fb by any chance ?
      Nov 30
    • Apple Spraynard
      To say that FB is better is laughable! I don’t think FB is terrible or anything but just look at its product. One creates hardware and software that allows for FB to sell its product which is you. Apple could survive without FB, I’m not entirely sure that reversing that statement would be true.

      I work at Apple and just as every other company it’s got its pros/cons. I wouldn’t be ashamed to work at FB, after all its just a flipping job. But I personally like the OP would ultimately rather work in a place where I believe in the product as good versus just a connection platform.

      FB really does need to clean up some of its privacy stuff or at least call a spade a spade and say, yes we sell your data, that’s how we bring this “free” product to you, you stupid simpletons. We anonymize your data but still sell you as person A to companies who want to sell you stuff. Period, end of story. Instead they try to act like you are not the product. So stupid.
      Dec 1
    • Facebook GE+DaSJW
      You know most of FB users are on Android not iOS. Most of the world can't afford overpriced iPhones. And FB didn't even start on mobile. So FB can definitely survive without Apple. Also FB absolutely doesn't sell anything, they provide better targeting to advertisers no info about the users gets to them.
      Dec 1
    • Apple G.R.T.A
      It’s the issue of clusters of like minded individuals being targeted by advertisers on a massive online friendship network that is the problem. Maybe you don’t have the background to understand the negative implications, but I can assure you they are profoundly bad. I have been approached by FB several times to do DS work but would never consider doing it.
      14h
    • Facebook URSoShady
      You can't just say I can assure you and not make any argument. That's not how you win a debate
      11h
    • Apple G.R.T.A
      You got into FB do some research into social network analysis for god sake! The argument is in the above statement but it looks like that went way over your head. What do you do at FB?
      6h
    • Facebook URSoShady
      Like I said you don't have an argument. You are the one making a controversial statement, so the onus is on you to provide an argument not for me to provide an argument for your own statement dummy. You seem bitter that you can't get into FB. Maybe if you spend more time doing Leetcode and less time making baseless arguments on Blind, you may actually have a shot.
      4h
    • Apple G.R.T.A
      Disinformation spreading in friendship networks like FB is not a novel idea I created, it is a well known phenomenon in social network analysis. I am surprised so many people at FB are unaware of the dangers of the platform they are working on.
      4h
    • Bloomberg WPslayer
      FMNG
      2h
  • Microsoft do_needful
    It sucks being a data scientist a.k.a. a data monkey. You should grow up to be an SDE.
    Nov 2819
    • Undisclosed ZnYsb61
      OP
      @tcyoegtfo maybe address the parent comment that calls data scientists “data monkeys”

      It’s pretty clear you have no idea what data scientists do. I have a publication and two data science internships where I built and deployed ML models, ran A/B tests and presented recommendations to C-level execs based on statistical inference I ran. How many SWE interns have an opportunity to do that?

      At the end of the day, a data scientist that can code & build ML models is going to outpace a one-trick SWE who jumps on the latest Front end technology fads
      Nov 28
    • New atmm
      Young kid publish paper and think his dick is so big. Kid, after publishing so many papers, you only got your paper because you were in the right place at the right time. Granted you have shown you are not incompetent but don't let that go to your head.

      Also you said you had a real data scientist job interview but no leetcode question, how is that possible, especially at FAANG????

      And you present to C-level execs as an intern... Sure.. is this at a startup where their director of data science is a one man team?
      Nov 28
    • Facebook GE+DaSJW
      What you are mentioning is what I currently do as a software Engineer in ML at Facebook. You are in for a rude awakening when you find out that you will be a product analyst. So I wouldn't shit on SWE's just yet.
      Nov 28
    • Intel Obsvr_J
      “Data scientist” LOOL congrats!
      Nov 28
    • Undisclosed ZnYsb61
      OP
      Not shitting on SWE, just responding with flame to a troll comment by parent comment
      Nov 28
    • Verizon ⛺️pitcher
      Oh my sweet summer child. Not only naive, but also and overly inflated ego.
      Nov 28
    • Spotify Nm3z2f
      It sucks being a data scientist? You’ve been one?
      If you were any good at it, you would have been paid quite well and done both coding and product planning. Telling someone their career/passion sucks is not very helpful.
      Nov 30
    • Facebook GE+DaSJW
      No one is saying being a Data Scientist sucks. They are very useful at FB. All we are saying is don't act like it's better than SWE because it sounds fancy.
      Nov 30
    • Spotify Nm3z2f
      I was just replying to the original comment that said exactly that. I don’t view any job on a product team as “better” since it’s a team for a reason.
      Nov 30
    • Undisclosed KnqJ7ah
      @GE not sure if you have any reading comprehension skills but I would reread the parent comment
      Dec 1
  • Microsoft 🐙M🐙
    Enjoy your time instead of focusing on preparing too much. A few lessons learned quickly after joining a company:
    - School work was much harder than real work but 40+ hrs a week eats up free time in a way that school never did
    - Most things you learn in school are pretty irrelevant once you start work, as are things like your GPA and test scores
    - You’ll never have summer break again so enjoy it
    Nov 283
  • Airbnb jim.hodlen
    work hard, make history. oh wait you don’t work for amzn
    Nov 283
    • Amazon benzosJaJa
      LOL, work hard, no free food
      Nov 28
    • Amazon PAxv45
      work hard, make history, eat bananas.
      Nov 28
    • Airbnb jim.hodlen
      who needs sex when you can eat bananas
      Nov 28
  • Microsoft Lowly IC
    Lol, after all that you want to spend your last 6 months preparing?

    How about have some fun or travel?
    Nov 287
    • Undisclosed ZnYsb61
      OP
      Im personally not a big fan of travelling, I’ve done it a couple of times (Australia, China, Spain, etc. ) and it gets old quick.

      I can’t have fun, I live in a college town and all my friends graduated last year (I did a 5th year because I took a year off to do research in a lab)
      Nov 28
    • Dow Jones big news
      100% travel, but a plane ticket to Panama and travel through Central America until you fly out of Mexico, you’ll meet so many different people and it will help you understand life outside the bubble
      Nov 28
    • Airbnb jim.hodlen
      everyone is different. I’m like the OP in that I feel travel gets old fast (why am I still working for a travel company LOL)
      Nov 28
    • Undisclosed ZnYsb61
      OP
      I like my current bubble, I think I might just buy a bunch of books and read those instead. I’ve been meaning to read Dostoyevsky, Nietzsche and Jung so this may be a good opportunity to do so
      Nov 28
    • Verizon SnoopDoge
      OP a Jordan Peterson listener by any chance?
      Nov 28
    • Undisclosed ZnYsb61
      OP
      No I’ve seen some clips of his (I.e. “so what you’re saying is...”) but couldn’t really get into him.

      I had my self development phase in high school via tony robbins, napoleon hill, eckhart tolle, etc. So his stuff doesn’t resonate too much
      Nov 28
    • Microsoft Lowly IC
      Ok, well you and I are definitely very different people. Ill just exit thread.
      Nov 28
  • Undisclosed TechBrah
    140k base is really high for a new grad with a bs degree. Nice!
    Nov 280
  • Amazon smsn sns
    Come to Amazon. We won't give time to think what next. Problem solved.
    Nov 280
  • Undisclosed public2
    Apple isnt the a in fang.
    Nov 283
    • Undisclosed $randomGuy
      But he said FAANG
      Nov 28
    • New RzFr15
      Stop saying FAANG. It’s not going to happen.
      Nov 28
    • Undisclosed ZnYsb61
      OP
      My salary is what my friends at G and FB are getting
      Nov 28
  • New RzFr15
    Cry at your desk
    Nov 280
  • Undisclosed $randomGuy
    Ok. Let me throw in my opinion to some comments above regarding data scientist vs SWE. I am an ML PhD and working as a data scientist in non-FAANG.

    Advantages:

    1. DS pays pretty well. I think only FANG + unicorns can exceed my base pay and that too not more than by $10K

    2. Working on your own to find patterns in data to show them to your supervisor. So in a way, you get to make your own decisions. I don’t like this because sometimes I have no direction. This will happen if you don’t understand the business model.

    3. That’s it. Sorry 😄

    Disadvantages:

    1. I have not implemented anything production level. In my PhD too, I liked implementing things. I like the software side but I am not good at it (i.e. I am not yet good at leetcoding, that’s another post anyway 😄)

    2. As people say, DS pretty much spend their time to find patterns in big data using HIVE, Spark and SQL. In simple words, find out how to increase revenue and tell that to managers. Then they tell it to the engineers where they build the necessary frontend/backend. Yeah, not interested.

    3. Attractive title. Tons of post online on how to become a DS. I don’t know why though. ML engineer is definitely better in my mind.

    4. Relaxed job if your team is not generating enough revenue to be relevant. Because, your analysis anyway won’t impact on revenue. However, DS in Google ads team will be good. This is a disadvantage because I am not learning much.

    My recommendation: keep trying for ML engineer.
    Nov 282
    • Undisclosed ZnYsb61
      OP
      Interesting perspective, I like data science because it allows me to interact with business stakeholders as well. My ideal role is 70% coding/30% meetings & presentations which data science seems to fill.

      Also MLE roles are super competitive and most companies won’t call you back unless you have a PhD (which I don’t). That’s why i went for data science but eventually I’d like to try my hand at MLE!
      Nov 28
    • Walmart.com $randomGuy
      I am afraid that 70% coding would be only to mine the petabytes of data. I feel implementing something is much more exciting.

      However, being said that, congratulations on your job offer. Go out there and if you like it, move up on the same track (e.g. senior, staff DS) or else you will have a big advantage with the Apple badge on your resume when you apply for MLE. Also, MLE doesn’t require PhD. All it needs is good leetcoding skills and decent ML knowledge. So keep working on them while you are at Apple.
      Nov 28
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    • Undisclosed ZnYsb61
      OP
      Why? I get to work on ML with petabytes of data, seems much more interesting than building CRUD apps.

      Also TC upside seems much higher for ML proficient data scientists.
      Nov 28
    • Southwest Airlines pAPc51
      Everyone here is a SWE and thinks they're the end all be all of Technology. It's also why I hardly see any of them move to anything beyond middle management. No vision.
      Nov 28
  • New LosYork
    Just curious, are you coming from a BS or master, PhD ?
    Nov 281
    • Undisclosed ZnYsb61
      OP
      BS, but I had a lot of relevant data science experience from getting a paper published and internships
      Nov 28
  • Google bozdag
    What is the official title of your role on the careers site? Just data scientist?
    Nov 284
    • Undisclosed ZnYsb61
      OP
      There’s some HR jargon appended to it but yeah it’s “data scientist” on the career sites
      Nov 28
    • Google bozdag
      Thanks. Trying to assess whether it’s an ML specific role that I would need publications to apply for. I have the skill set but no industry experience.

      btw, I would spend the time learning new stuff. Once you hit work it’s very hard to cycle in time to learn brand new things because you’re focusing on moving the needle on work projects.
      Nov 28
    • Undisclosed ZnYsb61
      OP
      My role has ML elements but I’m not a core ML engineer, also expected to know spark, SQL, deal with biz stakeholders, etc. I had a publication in undergrad but I don’t think it mattered too much.

      I’m sure you’ll have no issues getting an interview with google on your resume!

      Yeah that’s likely what I’ll be doing. I haven’t had too much experience with Spark so will be learning that along with it’s ML library
      Nov 28
    • Spotify Nm3z2f
      You will likely not be implementing many (if any) ML algos but you’ll be able to use code every single day to solve puzzles. Which is more fun than debugging a single flatmap for hours and hours in my opinion 🙂
      Nov 30
  • Apple eEVd54
    Welcome! It’s a lot of work but it’s fun. I would reach out to your manager and ask what theyd recommend you learn over the next few months to be most effective when you start
    Nov 280
  • Amazon Sam Walton
    Collect them all
    Nov 280

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