I am done with Amazon!!

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NotFrug

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Oct 21 81 Comments

I have been in Amazon for around 3.5 years now. Worked in India for around 2 years 8 months and then moved to AWS, Seattle. SDE2. Comp 180k

Getting shitty comp as compared to other native Americans and other SDEs with masters degree.

I am having 5 years of total experience. I can't see enough good projects for me to grow to next level in next 1-2 years. Changing teams also can't guarantee level of career growth I want i.e. I wish to work on projects that give me good technical and leadership opportunities to grow to SDE3 in another year or so. Also, even though I am a strong SDE, this stack ranking thing gives me deep feel of job insecurities. Compounded by Blind posts on same, I feel I am done with Amazon. After 6 months, all my major stocks will get vested.

Even if I will become SDE3 in another year and half, the pay will remain shitty, comparing what other companies are offering.

I heard Google/fb pays nice packages to SDE3s. Heard of my frnds getting around 400-500k at SDE3 level.

I am on L1B visa, so can't switch companies right now. I am gonna apply for H1B in 2020 and wish I would get myself in lottery.

Till then what advise do you guys have for me? Should I start preparing for Google/fb right now, optimistically that I would definitely get H1B ? Or wait for H1B and then start preparing (time period between H1B approval and stamping) and till then focus on current team projects.

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  • Palo Alto Networks !💥
    >worked in India
    >compared to other native Americans

    wat
    Oct 21 6
    • Apple KGHP41
      > At least he did not say Iranians

      $180 >> $20K
      Oct 21
    • New waas87
      He thinks and some other Indians think that Indian Indians and American Indians are the same Indians, this is their land so they can abuse H1B to return home
      Oct 21
    • Oracle lzqL07
      Calling native Americans Indians is an example of how an early documentation error can still confuse people years (centuries) later, even though the underlying misconception is long since resolved and we now know that north america exists
      Oct 21
    • New / Eng unravel
      I think he means "native to the United States of America"
      Oct 22
    • Amazon / Eng
      NotFrug

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      this. unravel got it right...rest of you guys..please keep on arguing.
      Oct 22
  • New waas87
    Unbelievable, their request grow everyday. Now they require more than 180k for SDE2.

    You should definitely go back.
    Oct 21 4
    • Facebook / Eng oyjm
      There's no harm in wanting to make more money but OP is sounding ungrateful since Op has been in US only 7 months and Amazon spent considerable resource to transfer OP to Us.
      Oct 21
    • Amazon / Eng
      NotFrug

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      Then what if they have spent resources on me? My efforts are still helping them earn billions..Again this is a pointless argument.
      Oct 22
    • LinkedIn jebIsaMess
      "My efforts are still helping them earn billions" Wow...
      Oct 28
    • Facebook / Eng timp
      And the security guard at Amazon can make the same claim as can the janitor that would them Amazon cannot survive.

      Chefs at FB has the most impact work ensuring employees are well fed and don't die out of hunger. OP sounds so entitled.
      Oct 28
  • Apple craig f
    You should prepare to go back.
    Oct 21 5
    • Amazon / Eng
      NotFrug

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      go back where?
      Oct 21
    • Apple craig f
      Aren’t you from India? I’m saying because that’s the most likely outcome because of the H1B lottery and GC queue for you.
      Oct 21
    • Microsoft DNcc76
      Craig knows nothing
      Oct 21
    • New mxTD34
      Get back to India....... Once Trump wins in 2020 no H1B for you
      Oct 21
    • Amazon / Eng
      NotFrug

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      I see people are either HIGH right now or just comment just for visibility sake...no value I found in above comments.
      Oct 22
  • Amazon / Product AvjU71
    I agree you should go back you ungrateful Indian!!! Amazon sponsored your L1 and all you want to do is switch!!! Why did you come thru Amazon then!?!?
    Oct 21 4
    • Wells Fargo B🤬!Huh?
      You seem upset... Who pissed in your Wheaties this morning 😂🤣
      Oct 21
    • Apple tango_char
      Amazon didn’t do him any favor. I am sure it is being frugal (what a euphemism for being cheap).
      Oct 21
    • Microsoft DNcc76
      Yep avju71 is so stupid
      Oct 21
    • Amazon / Product AvjU71
      By the way I am also an Indian!! I just find the arrogance unacceptable!! But I guess I should just sugar coat my comments next time......
      Oct 21
  • Apple woodkid
    What makes you think you'll get hired as a Senior in Google/Fb as an SDE2 in Amazon?

    At best, you'll be hired into the same level. At worst, you'll be downleveled.
    Oct 21 7
    • Facebook timeheals
      You’re friends are stupid , it’s not going to happen
      Oct 21
    • Apple KGHP41
      > You’re friends are stupid , it’s not going to happen

      Your. Not you’re. At least make it a grammatically correct insult.
      Oct 21
    • Google EIGa31
      SDE3 in Amazon != L5/E5 in Google/FB. U would be lucky not to be down leveled, left alone up leveled
      Oct 21
    • Apple woodkid
      I've known Principal engineers from Microsoft join G at L5(Senior) @Google.

      Google downlevels because they can. The competition is much higher and they know that not a lot of people turn their offer down.
      Oct 21
    • LinkedIn jebIsaMess
      sde2 bar at amazon is worse than a lot of new grads at top tech companies, let alone senior at google :D
      Oct 28
  • Google SundarGets
    Shitty comp? When I first moved to USA, my comp was around 60k in California. Even that seemed enough. Expectations of software engineers is too much these days. Your comp is top 0.1 percentile in USA.
    Oct 21 1
    • Facebook timeheals
      Yeah 60k could buy you a mansion in 1930. I don’t get what the complaining is about
      Oct 21
  • Facebook / Eng oyjm
    > "I have been with Amazon for 3.5 years of which 2 years 8 months in India.."

    You have been at US for only 7 months; you can be a bit more grateful and not complain about lower TC. Wait to see if you get H1B next year and if not, you should look to join Google/FB overseas and transfer back again to US maybe.
    Oct 21 1
    • Amazon / Eng
      NotFrug

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      this is a good suggestion. Thanks dude.
      Oct 22
  • Wells Fargo B🤬!Huh?
    Seems like a lot of jealous angry White men under this post 😂

    Look if Amazon isn't giving you what you want based off your skills, then move on. Take what you have learned elsewhere.
    Oct 21 5
    • Amazon / Eng
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      I truly respect Americans and I don't have any jealousy with any race/color etc. It was just to give example that others are getting paid more who were hired in US. Most of those are Americans. I think I shouldn't have used this word 'American'
      Oct 21
    • Apple craig f
      OP, look, good for you that you don’t let animosity towards you impact you. On the other hand just be a bit more self aware of the current situation in US: Indians in general are not viewed in favor currently due to scams in visa and lower quality professionals etc. That being said, the best you can do is to show that you personally is a good person and hard worker etc. Complaining about salary, specially early stages of career, is frowned upon. Any way, good luck.
      Oct 22
    • Wells Fargo B🤬!Huh?
      Craig F. I feel like he is validated in his complaint. Compared to his co-workers and friend he is being underpaid for his skill.

      As far as the whole "current situation in US: Indians in general are not viewed in favor" is basically racism. Let's call it what it really is. White Americans, mostly White American men, are now upset that they are being put on an even playing ground when it comes to career growth now.

      Let's stop with the whole "Visa scams" because that is only a front for racist ideals. I am not even Indian, but the hatred I see towards Indians is looking real familiar.
      Oct 22
    • Apple craig f
      I don’t subscribe to the idea that those statements you mentioned are racism. They are real concern raised by many, not only white Americans (I’m not one myself).

      On a side note, If every controversial topic people raise gets called racism then we can’t openly discuss these real issues.
      Oct 22
    • Amazon / Eng
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      Well, I don't really get myself engaged into those racist/problematic discussions because I know those are bit more over-hyped for discussions sake, than those actually affect people. Given that, I feel Wells Fargo quoted it simply right about my problem. I am hard and smart working SDE, equally or even more competent that my peers and still paid lesser than those guys. I can't always compare my US income with my Indian Salary since I live here and expenses here are not same as in India. So, let's not divert the topic..Also, this is not specific to Indians, Americans, etc. This is a general human tendency to compare.
      Oct 22
  • GE F499
    I know people who joined MS in Seattle, in late 1999 graduated from IITs and masters from Ivy leagues still making way less than you are! Be grateful. You are definitely not under paid.
    Oct 21 0
  • American Express vrBp02
    Why should you be paid the same when they are spending a considerable amount of money to sponsor you? You need to be realistic! You are still making multiple times over what the avg. American makes and tons more than in India. You have an entitlement issue. If you have the skills and the chops, apply to another company then!! You will not find another country on earth with the abundance of opportunity and the ability to be born poor and die rich. You should know from having a caste system that pigeon holes people. Here in America, black white, pink, purple, gay, straight, or whatever label you want to slap on, we should all be grateful. I am an immigrant and God bless America!! It’s not perfect, but I am much better off here than my native country!
    Oct 21 0
  • Goldman Sachs PJfF76
    You are now in the land of opportunity, feel free to switch to a company that pays decent and sit out your GC process there. Fuck those "ungrateful" nonsense who are hypocrites. You do not have moral duty to be stuck in a company that pays less, nor does your company feel that way.
    Oct 21 2
    • Amazon / Eng
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      that's the positivity I was looking for. Thanks. Hope I 'll the H1B.
      Oct 21
    • Cornerstone infstone
      Yup, same people would have called you cheap labor if your TC was below 100k. Start preparing now. Talk with some consulting companies and apply H-1b. Jump ship as soon as you get H-1b. I don't know when Amazon start GC process. If they do within one year then wait for it. Approved I-140 opens lot of opportunities as well.
      Oct 21
  • Amazon / Eng
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    I can continue with Amazon till I get my H1B. I don't want to go back so soon
    Oct 21 1
    • Microsoft oMAG58
      Yeah... That's IF you get H1B.
      Oct 21
  • New aandj
    First i believe you wanted to say "local americans" not "native americans", the latter of which means Indian Americans...

    Second, what don't you compare your TC to where you came from? I believe your comp is already rocket jumped to another level.

    And If you feel unjust to get paid lower than those who has master degree, please get one.
    Oct 21 0
  • Google topCon
    Find a white girl to marry. Or a US citizen Indian girl.
    Oct 21 6
    • Fastmail ey12
      Is this becoming a trend in Seattle/Bay Area?
      Oct 21
    • Facebook / Eng oyjm
      Lol
      Oct 21
    • Google topCon
      Ok sure. US citizen guy will do as well. Put a ring on it!
      Oct 21
    • Apple waitingame
      Non Indian will do.. you can skip the line in GC process by applying with spouse’s Country of birth
      Oct 22
    • Amazon / Eng
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      I am not gonna marry any white girl.
      Oct 22
  • Facebook riddic
    You don't owe anyone anything, so you can jump whenever you want. As a practical matter you will have to wait to go through the lottery before you are considered for other positions, even if you do get through (1/3 chances without graduate degree) you will have to stick around till October 2020 before you switch. This means you are better off focussing on your current job and doing well before you start looking at changing companies.
    Oct 21 1
    • Amazon / Eng
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      that's like perfect answer to exact asked questions.
      Oct 21
  • Capital One CapitalTwo
    First - never compare, you are getting what you deserve.
    Second- masters doesn’t give a shit in TC. Its all in your stupid head.
    Third - you are being just greedy here, you want to grow, show impact of the work.

    if you have an impact you will be promoted, ask yourself, how much money did your product make and how much ownership you have, end of story.
    Oct 22 1
    • Capital One CapitalTwo
      At Microsoft currently. Didnt change my Capital One id
      Oct 22
  • Egencia dddd01
    Suck it up ... why do people think 180k not good enough and has to compare to the other “guys”. H1b is also problem ... go marry a citizen. otherwise it is what it is man ....
    Oct 21 0
  • Amazon
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    azmixmore
    It’s likely that your comp is what it is because you got your initial grant back in India, which was a good deal for that location. It’s within the band and will be adjusted if necessary. Now, remember that H1-B conversion from L1 might require you to stay with its sponsor for some time to ensure that you don’t get flagged should you ever decide to apply for the citizenship. Talk to the immigration lawyer before you take any advice from here.
    Oct 21 0
  • Optimizely / Other TimAppleSr
    You're paid less because you're on an L1. The company spent a lot of resources and money getting you that.
    Oct 21 4
    • Amazon / Eng
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      this is true and I completely agree. But the difference in pay when compared to other SDEs is upto $35k
      Oct 21
    • New / R&D
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      VeoQ04more
      That way more reasonable then you think... most non us hires which were relocated are like that
      Oct 21
    • Facebook timeheals
      35k is nothing
      Oct 21
    • Bloomberg errors
      Others spent a lot of money and time on their Masters and that’s why getting more money than you. If you want to be like them then you have to go through the higher studies way.
      Oct 21
  • Facebook / Eng oyjm
    Sde2 at 180k is at the lower end but not a low-ball. With 3.5 YOE, there's zero chance to crack L5/E5 at F/G.

    You can bring this up with your manager and see if you get some stock refresh to bump it up.
    Oct 21 2
    • Amazon / Eng
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      My total industry exp is around 5+ years. At amazon it is 3.5 years
      Oct 21
    • New pHsB78
      not true, i know someone doing SDE3 @G with 3yrs exp out of bachelors.
      Oct 31

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