I am off to Canada

Amazon newton12
Mar 18 158 Comments

Just got myself transferred to Canada. Got a PR in 6 months under express entry.

After 7 years in the US, I want to say fuck you to the American government. Most incompetent pieces of garbage.

I love the country and the people, but the downright racism with this per country cap nonsense is unacceptable.

I spent 100s of thousands of dollars in education here and paid much more in taxes. Last year, I made 400k. Still no green card. To anyone waiting, it’s not worth it, believe me. Voting is the most important right you have. Without it, you will be undermined, underpaid and exploited with nothing to show for it in the end. They will joyfully play around with your life like arbitrarily canceling H1Bs or ensuring your spouse can’t work. Look at how they keep dangling HR392 and HR1044 in front of us when everyone knows it’s never going to pass. Why would it, we are inconsequential. Worst part is they tax you on your world wide income as a temporary worker. Fuck that!! I am done, I am out. No taxation without representation!!!!!

To anyone planning to come here with the hope of settling, if you are in a backlogged country, turn away is my advice. There are more welcoming countries with fairer laws! Heck the world has changed. Now, India and China are pulling their own so maybe I will go home someday.

That being said, I don’t want to end this on a bitter note. America has been wonderful to me. I learned a lot here, met my first love here, made some good money, worked on some cool shit and had some incredible moments. Goodbye America!

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  • Your pre/post TC will be most helpful
    Mar 18 27
    • Google hooli.xyz
      I don’t think you know what racism is. Show me a post of mine where I said something racist.

      Let me remind you the OP’s post was this:

      “After 7 years in the US, I want to say fuck you to the American government. Most incompetent pieces of garbage.”

      And people here didn’t even bat an eye. Everyone actually applauded it. But replace the word “America” with a certain country and I bet everyone here would go crazy.

      Now isn’t that some double standard? It’s okay to hate America and its American citizens but not the other way around?

      Again, I am just defending my country from foreigners putting it down. I didn’t throw the first stone but I’m sure as hell going to finish the fight because it seems I’m the only American on Blind.
      Mar 20
    • Sprint ZeroHero
      He said “American Government “ not America or its people ... get your head out of your a$$ and stop your MAGA tantrums. Every government and politician in this world are corrupt .. so yeah fuck them all. And btw these foreigners are putting enough money in the system to make the country work smoothly.. without these “foreigners’” taxes USA would be bankrupt for the next century. So show some respect to these “foreigners “ .. like I said I know a racist when I see or hear one. Even my American colleagues are cringing at your statements.. and they are all white Americans .. couple of them served in the military before joining sprint . You are nothing but an embarrassment.. so please F off .. racist.
      Mar 20
    • Google hooli.xyz
      Looks like someone forgot to study U.S. history. I suggest you look up the phrase “consent of the governed”.

      You mention respect but all I can see is your hateful posts. Calling me names and telling me to F-off.

      Now who is throwing tantrums?

      “Every government and politician in this world are corrupt .. so yeah fuck them all.”

      Wow, great argument there. I rest my case 😂🤣
      Mar 20
    • Aspen Technology / Consultant wUHa67
      Hooli.xyz not everyone applauded. Read the other comments
      Mar 20
    • Amazon
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      hooli is that prick who got hit on the head in Trump’s rally. You work for a company who’s ceo was an immigrant on H1B. Don’t be salty!
      May 17
  • Sums up the experience of thousands of legal immigrants. Some can and choose to leave, others are stuck by the beautiful and exploitative structure of US Immigration.

    And before someone comes up with racial crap like - “go to your country” - Not all people can do that, their families are working here , kids are studying here , and they are paying taxes here. It’s not abnormal to expect PR in a few years
    Mar 18 12
    • Veritas mojojojox
      @doggoo It is work visa yes, but the difference here is that op has permanent residency almost approved and would've got it by now had he/she been of any other country except India/China. That's the problem. H1B/work visa is irrelevant at this point when the immigration body itself has processed 80% of the application. No one is asking to hand out residency to every one, no one is begging for it either. The point is simply equality and acknowledging credentials while making decisions.
      Mar 19
    • Lyft ihb47
      I encourage everyone to do an honest objective look into immigration policies around the world. when you’re done you’ll see that the US has by far the most accommodating. There’s just a shit ton of folks that want to come here. Supplied and demand bro
      Mar 20
    • Google hooli.xyz
      Agreed with ihb47. The green card queues for China, India, Mexico, and the Philippines have decades-long backlog because of the sheer number of people from those countries wanting to move to the U.S.
      Mar 20
    • Aspen Technology / Consultant wUHa67
      Ihb47 I tend to agree with you. I think people think there's a perfect immigration system, there isn't. There's just the one that works for you.
      Taking a step back and looking at the us system objectively, you'll see that it's unique but still gives a more level playing field to outsiders who can't rely on an in-group (family or ethnic community) in order to get a means to immigrate. Every country is given an equal chance. Of course, an equal chance doesn't guarantee an equal outcome but that's not the fault of USCIS.
      Because of the number of people that want to come here, we tend to blame the process without stepping back and seeing that the us is pretty generous with immigration.
      About 1 million people are given permanent residency, the job market is not restricted to you based on language or lack of 'American' experience and it's a very easy society to assimilate.
      Yes, the processing of applications takes forever but it's by no means the worst country in that regard.
      It's ironic that people who are advantaged when it comes to winning the h1b lottery get upset when they realize the consequences of getting a temporary Visa is a delay in getting a permanent one.
      Us is so open that everyone and their mother has an opinion on the immigration system and are not afraid to share it.
      And to be fair, hr1044 exists because of the intense lobbying of certain groups, not because the us has prioritized immigration reform.
      All of this does not deny the fact that people slip through the cracks but this is not by design and it's not because the system is broken.
      Ultimately, everyone should decide on what works best for them. But it's unique to your situation and not necessarily the fault of the system.
      Btw, I do know about other immigration systems besides the us. Read about the weirdness of Sweden's for a minute and how one can get denied permanent residency for not paying an insurance tax that one was informed about, 5 years prior.

      And I wish OP all the best. You came, you got the career experience, you improved your finances and now you're able to leverage on all of that, in Canada.
      Mar 20
    • EPAM Systems ExplodingBanana
      @hooli the only country that has a decade long backlog is India, thanks to their own greed

      paq dude from Amazon, Europe is not a country you moron and China has the exact same quota as any other country.
      Jun 18
  • BYTON Dof
    To be honest, I blame those indian IT consultant companies. They abuse H1b and GC.
    Mar 18 8
    • Broadcom Ltd. / Eng tax_state
      I fear the higher h1b rejection rates will make these body shops apply for fake eb1c and further clog the green card queue.
      Mar 19
    • Microsoft ApexLegnds
      They’re struggling to get a renewal cleared. You think they can get through EB1 review?
      Mar 19
    • Microsoft interesti
      Indian population doubled during the last three decades. It was much smaller before as well. So if anything, it was geared towards China. Indian population explosion was not something they calculated. Worse, Chinese coming to US to get GC is considerably smaller than Indians. Even h1b number is 5 to 1. So even though quota is abolished, backlog will exist and it will get worse as birth rate in India is extremely high and everyone wants to come over to US. Speaking English is a bless for upper middle class people who can come to US but it is an ugly one for the rest who are not educated. India cannot make quick progress as long as politicians focus on sending their kids to US for a good job.
      Mar 20
    • Microsoft oMAG58
      @newton, in 2018 Europe received a total of 22k EB-GC (1st to 3rd categories), India alone received 21k for the same categories. This is due to the spillover. India actually consistently takes 18-25% of GC in the last 3-4 years. In Canada India takes only 15-18% of PR for the last three years. And that 18% only happened in 2018, most likely as a result of US H1B issues. So, it's incredibly abnormal that India has more GC recipient percentage and still has a massive backlog in the US. I think the problem is more than just a 7% cap policy which, you should know, is not an example of racism but affirmative action.
      Mar 25
    • EPAM Systems ExplodingBanana
      Boo hoo OP, cry us a river about the unfair and racist 7% cap, and how not every single underpaid "consultant" in the Indian body shops is able to get a GC. Boo hoo.

      Your undeserving country is getting far more GCs than alloted, as someone already printed out to you. Don't assume people are stupid and uninformed.
      Jun 18
  • Qualtrics / Sales
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    Canada has lower TC, but I think you will be happier there (TC is not always tied to happiness, shocker). Wish you best of luck!
    Mar 18 7
    • Lyft doggoo
      Do you think that’s a really sound argument? To be honest it sounds like word salad. you’re basically saying he’ll be happier because he’s poor never mind the fact that it’s also freezing and more expensive to live
      Mar 19
    • Qualtrics / Sales
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      I don't know for sure OP will be happier. He is in a better position to tell us. Lower TC doesn't mean being poor. Better healthcare system and PR status allow OP to make career changes without stress. Vancouver and Toronto are not that cold (comparable weather as Seattle and NYC respectively). Housing can be expensive, but not necessarily food or other things. Lastly, not having to see homeless drug addicts on the streets and feel the disgrace of pretending it's a non-issue also help. Adding to that, SF and Seattle have top crime rates in the nation. I don't think that'd make you too happy.
      Mar 19
    • Lyft doggoo
      You just piling on a ton of assumptions man super weak thinking
      Mar 19
    • Amazon / Eng pdragkfszy
      If money made people happy, I wouldn't see so many people with 300k+ TC whining on blind everyday.
      Mar 19
    • Qualtrics / Sales
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      I lived in Canada for 10 years. I understand the reasons to leave Canada and work in the US, and vice versa. Even just among cities of NY, Seattle, and SF, Blinders would endlessly argue which is the best without considering the others' perspective. You just do what's best for you, and I wish you nothing but happiness, even if calling me "super weak thinking" somehow gives you joy.
      Mar 19
  • Amazon McKnziBzos
    Where are you from originally?
    Mar 18 6
    • Twitter Truthbetol
      How easy is it to become an Indian citizen as a white American?

      Is there an Indian green card?
      Mar 18
    • Amazon McKnziBzos
      OP, the company didn’t apply GC for you after H1B?
      Mar 18
    • Amazon newton12
      OP
      Truthbetol, India does not have per country caps so no, it’s not hard to get an Indian PR. All you have to do is stay for a few years on a work permit and you are set. This is true for almost every other modern country I have looked at. In UK, you get a PR after 5 years. In Switzerland, it was 8 years. Only America is ironically racist - “the land of immigrants”...
      Mar 18
    • Adobe tihwv
      India has a million year backlog. By the time OP got his turn, he would be in his 23rd rebirth. If you believe in that stuff
      Mar 18
    • Amazon newton12
      OP
      McKnziBzos they did. But I don’t want to work on temporary status. I would like to start my own business soon or work for startups.
      Mar 18
  • Lyft doggoo
    Goodbye, and thanks for all your taxes!
    Mar 18 4
    • Google hooli.xyz
      +1

      😂🤣
      Mar 19
    • Google EVsM02
      What's wrong with paying taxes ? Now he's taking his skills and earning potential to another country and he'll pay taxes there too.
      Apr 9
    • Groupon / Eng sleepy
      He’s taking his savings to Canada, that’s like a trade deficit for the USA.
      Jun 13
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      Also bid goodbye to his talent, and his potential as an American.
      Jul 20
  • Bank of America pOlF30
    What's your new TC in canada?
    Mar 18 5
    • Microsoft vffrds6;?&
      TC won't change.
      Mar 18
    • Oracle xdokl
      Oh yes it will.
      Mar 19
    • Microsoft vffrds6;?&
      If same company, TC will change?
      Mar 19
    • VMware / Eng
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      Yup, even moving within the US will change TC, it is hugely affected by Geo market
      Mar 19
    • Google hooli.xyz
      You won’t get an answer from OP because he doesn’t want anyone to know his TC nose-dived after moving to Canada.
      Mar 19
  • Adobe qHAW77
    Why dont all h1b workers strike for a day ? To make a bold statement
    Mar 19 20
    • Okta doll$h
      “Proud”
      Mar 19
    • Google hooli.xyz
      “Okta”
      Mar 19
    • Flagged by the community.

    • Google hooli.xyz
      And yet you still felt a need to hurl insults at me when I showed you and everyone else the truth.

      Go on, keep talking and see if that somehow changes my government’s immigration policies. Make sure to take as much sick days as you can, though. The immigration changes may take awhile... 🤣
      Mar 19
    • Workday fJOp77
      Good Idea
      May 17
  • Microsoft ApexLegnds
    Don’t forget that you can take your social security contributions with you since you will not get the benefit anyways given that you contributed for less than 10 years.

    It’s a trick few people know about. I know this is possible for many EU citizens if they return to their home countries. Not sure about Canada. Check the social security site.
    Mar 18 7
    • And if I leave the social security payments here and leave after 10+ years, I will qualify for the benefits even if I am not in the US ?
      Mar 18
    • Microsoft ApexLegnds
      Yes.
      Mar 18
    • Amazon newton12
      OP
      Thanks for this tip. Happy to take as much of my money back from Uncle Sam as I can get.
      Mar 18
    • VMware / Eng
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      I think you can transfer the retirement accounts to the equivalent plans in Canada, I think there is some sort of agreements between several countries for retirement plans
      Mar 19
    • Microsoft ApexLegnds
      👆Yes, that’s the idea.
      Mar 19
  • eBay / Eng notgoogle
    If the us didn’t have per country caps, Silicon Valley would become India. Diversity is our strength.
    Mar 19 5
    • Microsoft ApexLegnds
      It would not. It will probably get more diverse and more of a meritocracy since it will switch to a first come first serve model.

      As a manager, I honestly dread lifting per country caps because I will potentially lose some of my hardest working employees since they’re free to move and choose now. I’m not saying that backlogged employees are only ones that work hard. It’s just that they have an extra economic incentive to not slack and keep their status.
      Mar 19
    • eBay / Eng notgoogle
      Well I hope you find a way to reward your hard working employees if they deserve it. Give them a reason to stay that doesn’t involve a visa leash.

      That’s exactly why H1b is so bad, it’s abused on both sides.
      Mar 19
    • Veracode sjQP62
      This is exactly why I would hate to be in H1b situation.constantly proving myself
      Mar 19
    • Microsoft ApexLegnds
      I’m very transparent about how I allocate rewards and have an ongoing conversation through the year to set expectations. No surprises. That’s my goal.

      We do have our limitations with the budget through. I cannot match Netflix, Airbnb, Google, FB salaries and RSU. I can make up for the RSU cliff with special stock grants and fight for faster than average promo velocity.

      Above all else though I try to evaluate what makes people happy and try to provide an environment conducive to that. Not everyone is about high TC.
      Mar 19
    • Groupon / Eng sleepy
      There’s no restrictions on how many people you could hire from India, the quota is just on GC and citizenship. So Indians grow in numbers and diversity isn’t affected. Just that not enough Indians become voters.
      Jun 13
  • Microsoft MQlg13
    Good for you mate. I am contemplating return to India after making some good money here. I feel something in between 1-2 million dollars is more than sufficient to decide going back. India is low cost. You can easily survive a lifetime with that kind of net worth. Canada PR is good but so far from India. There's no country like home country :) Family, friends, relatives they've started recognizing me as the guy who returns once a year in his hectic trip and has no time for anyone. I am that distant relative they brag about but hardly find much of. Don't get to attend many family functions, even funerals I have missed. I just get the news that so n so is no more. If I were in India, I would have been physically present.
    Mar 18 1
    • Microsoft ApexLegnds
      This is nothing new. A couple of my friends from Israel and Australia have left or planning to leave in a few years even though they can easily get permanent residency.

      It just comes down to personal preference. If you want to be close to friends and family that’s your personal choice. Why even wait for a dollar target? I’m sure you can find decent jobs to live s comfortable lifestyle there.
      Mar 18
  • Sprint ZeroHero
    So true . I wish I could get a telecom job in Canada . Would have moved immediately. Good luck bro and a very good decision u made. In USA , politicians only think about welfare of illegals . No one gives a damn about legal immigrants.
    Mar 18 0
  • Amazon toutd
    Just show middle finger to abusers. Just imagine what the tech companies here would be like if we didn’t tolerate the immigration abuse
    Mar 18 3
    • Google hooli.xyz
      Tech companies in my beloved U.S.A. won’t even notice.

      But keep showing that middle finger to Uncle Sam, maybe he’ll notice it one day.
      Mar 19
    • Lyft doggoo
      Yeah fuck those abusers who give you an H1B visa then didn’t let you abuse it. The bastards
      Mar 19
    • Amazon toutd
      Lol who is uncle Sam?
      Mar 19
  • Amazon mzyQ25
    Problem is not country cap imo. Its the definition of diversity. According to current law, individuals from 2 different countries are considered to be different while individuals from same country are not. Assumes nation states are homogenous. If india were to split in to 30 states, everyone ll get gc.
    Apr 4 2
    • Amazon mzyQ25
      Pakistanis/ sri lankans get gc in a year. So definitely not racist but stupid for sure.
      Apr 4
    • Groupon / Eng sleepy
      Yup this shitty definition of diversity works at college admissions too.
      Jun 13
  • New / Eng bumerang
    Did you consider Australia? We are quite good at granting citizenship.
    Mar 18 3
    • Amazon McKnziBzos
      🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺yes!
      Mar 18
    • Amazon newton12
      OP
      I wouldn’t mind but to be honest I have always been turned off for Australia after the racist incidents that happened against Indians. Unfair to judge an entire country based on its worst people, but perhaps someday I will visit myself. Always wanted to go to the Great Barrier Reef.
      Mar 18
    • Amazon toutd
      Australia’s weather is also much better than Canada, not sure how comparable TC would be
      Mar 19
  • PayPal kyapata
    Coolio!
    Mar 18 0
  • ANSYS antifa
    It's laughable when this fukker from EPAM systems talks about consulting sweatshops when he himself is from one of them. Ah the irony 😂😂
    Jul 9 1
    • EPAM Systems ExplodingBanana
      Are you packing your bags for Canada yet? I'll help you.
      Jul 9
  • Datto, Inc. / R&D Klokov_v2
    Congratulations! I will be doing the same after I graduate this year. Will get some experience on OPT before doing that. I don’t want to spend a day on H1B if I can, the amount of vitriol Republican voters spew towards H1b holders, calling people with 6 figure TC’s is downright disgusting. No , thank you, I don’t want that.

    Three more years and you will be a citizen, you are then free to come back to the US on TN visa.
    Mar 19 0
  • Veracode sjQP62
    I think having a PR is much better than having higher TC. It’s gives you peace f mind. We are in a time where even H1b ext are getting RFEs
    Mar 19 1
    • Amazon / Eng pdragkfszy
      Piece of mind is very different from peace of mind. 😉
      Mar 20
  • Microsoft UMbR31
    Congrats on the decision. If you're an L6 with 7 yoe, don't you get stellar opportunities in India - how did you choose Canada over India? If you feel Amazon India is a lot of politics (like you said in one of your comments), why not other companies?
    Mar 19 0