I feel like a failure

Samsung YouYouYou
Nov 2, 2018 30 Comments

I am current PM at Samsung but recently rejected by Google (PM) and Apple (EPM) positions. I feel like a failure.

I prepared so much for Google PM Interview according to their format and I was very confident. They asked me questions like 'measure the total length of a road in a city' etc. I was expecting these kind of questions and I prepared for it and I think I answered it very well. But they still rejected me based on the very objective view of one interviewer on some very vague questions. Now I can't reapply for another 12 months which sucks.

For Apple EPM role, even though it was a step down role for me, due to my desperation of changing the job, I interviewed with them. They freaking had 3 phone screening round and 9 rounds of on-site (30 mins each). I think I aced the interview, I knew more than any of their interviewers and had more experience. (I wasn't cocky about this during interview at all). But even they rejected me cause they thought I wasn't a technical fit.

Now I am only 34 and already feel like this is the peak of my career and no more progress from now on. I have worked very hard in past life, going from engineer to Product Manager. I feel like a failure after these rejections. I am applying to many FAANG jobs but getting very few replies back.

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  • Amazon AIV
    Eff me if 34 is the peak than I don’t have much time left.

    Look OP it’s possible you bombed and didn’t realize it so I’ll tell you: find a mentor. Ask someone to help with objective feedback. Git gud.

    But ALSO: don’t beat yourself up. I work in FANG. I got super lucky. I also get rejected from FANG jobs constantly. I walked into an interview for a lower level PM role at Facebook and knew from the first round that they’d reject me. Sometimes it’s not the right fit. Sometimes they already have someone pegged and they’re required to go through the motions. Sometimes the interviewer just had a bad day. The point is that while you should focus on what you can control, there are TONS of reasons you can be rejected that are entirely outside your control. Best thing to do is not beat yourself up. You got two interviews!!!! That’s amazing! People dream of getting ONE interview. Be proud you work at an awesome company already and don’t be so hard on yourself.
    Nov 2, 2018 1
    • Amazon / Product
      AlexaSound

      Amazon Product

      PRE
      AMD, EY
      AlexaSoundmore
      Sounds like my story. I am in FAANG. I got rejected by others and it’s just matter of luck. Even when we reject folks it’s for many stupid reasons. So, relax. If it helps, I am looking for a role in Samsung. 😜
      Nov 27, 2018
  • Intel Yoyk
    One thing to keep in mind is that you are applying to one of the most conveted roles in top 10 tech company in the world. When you are competing at that level, you have to be OK with rejections as well. You did your best and it didn't work out. Big deal. First you take ownership of your rejection. Stop shifting blame to interviewers and look closely at what mistakes you made and move forward. Always move forward.
    Nov 2, 2018 2
    • Google eDJS71
      Bingo.
      Nov 2, 2018
    • New / Eng
      ComTruise

      New Eng

      BIO
      Tc = broke. Education: the Derek Zoolander school for kids who can’t read and want to do other stuff good too
      ComTruisemore
      This guy fucks
      Nov 2, 2018
  • Google eDJS71
    How can you be certain that you were rejected by the ‘very objective view of one interviewer’.? We don’t give that kind of feedback to candidates.
    Nov 2, 2018 3
    • Samsung YouYouYou
      OP
      That is my feeling, not official feedback of the interview. I followed all the approaches, framework, structure while answering these kind of questions. I read 4 books which were highly recommended by everyone. I did interview prep coaching call officially set up by Google recruiter and followed everything he recommended including reading books he suggested. I did at least 30 mock interviews with other PM people to prep for this interview. From my point of view, I did very well according to what was expected from an interviewee. So the rejection seems to be related to the objective view of one person. I feel like if 5 different people interviewed me for this and took average feedback, I would have gotten past the phone round.
      Nov 2, 2018
    • Spotify Fhjkl
      Don’t be so hard on yourself! You know nothing about the other candidates for the role or how they did in the interviews.

      Maybe one of your interviewers had a bad day. Once I had to interview a candidate while a major incident was underway and I barely even listened to him.

      Or maybe they had some particular experience that you don’t have and that happened to put them ahead.
      Nov 2, 2018
    • PTC / Eng
      IndianAudi

      PTC Eng

      PRE
      ptc, IBM, SAP
      IndianAudimore
      @fhjkl its hard not to be when he cant interview again for 12 months or so. Especially when he must have tried really hard.
      Feb 11
  • Facebook / Eng a64
    Samsung is the Google of Korea. Move to Korea!
    Nov 2, 2018 2
    • Amazon PAxv45
      plus Korean girls are hot! sorry just kidding.
      Nov 2, 2018
    • Amazon 123raj
      Korean chics are hot. What's to kid about that?
      Nov 2, 2018
  • Apple
    Spraynard

    Apple

    BIO
    Call me Spray for short
    Spraynardmore
    I’ll add one more thing, and I think this is the key in my career, screw the man. Save up at least 6 months of living expenses and then become a independent contractor. These companies need freelancers ALL THE TIME! Hit up the recruiters that you dealt with, tell them, sorry I wasn’t a fit for you at this/or that time (if it takes you a bit to prepare) but tell them you would love to stay in touch and that you’re a contractor now and would be glad to help out where/when you can. They WILL keep you on their list and then they’ll bring you in that way. Once you’re in and unless you suck most likely after your contract is over they will extend you if you’re lucky or hire you full time if you have unpaid karmic debts! Ha

    But seriously if they won’t let you in the front door, go into the back door! That’s life advice right there ^. ;0
    Nov 3, 2018 2
    • Amazon AIV
      Great advice actually. I’ve done this before.
      Nov 3, 2018
    • Amazon / Product
      AlexaSound

      Amazon Product

      PRE
      AMD, EY
      AlexaSoundmore
      Great advice.
      Nov 27, 2018
  • Starbucks / Mktg
    JayCee

    Starbucks Mktg

    PRE
    Amazon, Microsoft, PwC, Accenture
    JayCeemore
    You got two interviews you did good. You will get more. All the best
    Nov 2, 2018 0
  • Google idkwmni
    I agree with Fhjkl. Also, PM interviews are notoriously hard.
    Nov 2, 2018 2
    • Hitachi Vantara / Other vatarans
      Pm interviews are hard everywhere. Everywhere I interviewed I was up against 10-20 candidates for same role.
      Nov 2, 2018
    • Microsoft aesf02
      I’ve heard from others at Google that 2/3 of PM hires there had to interview more than once.
      Nov 2, 2018
  • New Gitgud1
    If it makes you feel any better I'm in the same boat man. I've been rejected by >5 on sites. Just try to move forward and learn as u do. Can only get better from here right?
    Nov 2, 2018 0
  • Facebook LL Cool J
    Got rejected from a company after a phone screen but gave optimal answers for both questions. Sometimes the interviewer is having a bad day, sometimes you are. Just because you've had two bad experiences doesn't mean the rest will be. Keep at it and look at these as a learning opportunity. You're one step closer to getting to your next job, you got this
    Nov 2, 2018 1
    • Amazon AIV
      Word. Chances are you’ll be rejected more than you’ll get offers.
      Nov 2, 2018
  • Apple
    Spraynard

    Apple

    BIO
    Call me Spray for short
    Spraynardmore
    Also remember you’re not in a vacuum, other people also were interviewing for the position, maybe they were just enough to edge you out. And besides don’t beat yourself over this bullshit. I think the interview process at these big places is a joke! Way way way too intense and smelling their own shit! I hear the AirBnB one is so nuts that they give you a couple assignments and you have to go present to a bunch of people after like one day to put the presentation together and that ANY ONE of the 10-15 people you’ll talk to has veto power. Kinda bullshit IMO. But also remember, it’s just a fucking job, you’re clients won’t carry your casket to quote Bright Eyes. Just carry on. And then get drunk. Ha
    Nov 3, 2018 0
  • Amazon PAxv45
    I recently went through 8 onsites until i git two offers. Interview process is a numbers game. Do not take it personally.
    Nov 2, 2018 0
  • IBM / Other mhdao
    1. I love my Samsung phone.

    2. Don't give up. You can do it. There are tons of other awesome companies that people are happy at. I also know more than a few PMs at Google who are totally miserable. Just a data point.
    Nov 2, 2018 0
  • Oracle champa
    This interview industry now not tech
    Nov 3, 2018 0
  • Apple iPhone Xs
    At the end TC is what matters. You said apple was a downgrade? That could mean your current TC is already very good. What is your TC now?
    Nov 3, 2018 0
  • Amazon 123raj
    How'd you go from engineer to PM? Did you do an MBA?
    Nov 2, 2018 0
  • Intuit prudh7
    Dude is Samsung really that bad? One of the best TV and phones...
    Nov 2, 2018 0
  • Oracle champa
    Google process mess many people. My friend say no apply like you say
    Nov 2, 2018 0

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