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I made a wrong decision (crazy wlb)

Microsoft Clusterbbb
6d

My team is working at least 60/70+ hours average. Everybody comes in at like 11 and takes pride in leaving late, like 10-11.

Wtf

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  • Facebook xdd
    Microsoft is known for having great work-life balance though. Try switching teams
    6d1
    • Microsoft Lurch
      Really depends on team, org and division
      6d
  • New / EngBabis
    How is that possible? Are these people all super young? No families? No social life like dating and such? Sounds like a whole bunch of losers to me to be honest, who takes pride in leaving at 11 at MSFT? I would leave assuming TC is not insanely high. My TC is ~400k and I do 40h a week, as it should be.
    6d7
    • Google / EngGrange
      Which company?
      6d
    • Facebook MadMin
      WOW that’s a great TC and WLB.

      I am working 50h per week for 260k at FB (E5) 😂😂😂🤣

      Where do you work @Babis? Which location? Seattle or bay?
      6d
    • Google / EngGrange
      Also are you hiring, @babis?
      6d
    • He is CEO
      6d
    • New / EngBabis
      Bay Area. Late stage startup.
      6d
    • New / EngBabis
      Company is not public or bought yet but it does periodic buy backs so have been able to sell some my my vested shares at an appreciated valuation and reach a liquid 400k in TC. I still have upside so I am not selling all of it, hoping it will grow by the time we go for an exit. Cash comp for me is 250k (base + perf bonus).

      Am a SWE with 7 year of experience, and FB leveled me at E5 recently and offered me 350k TC. I told them fuck no lol.

      Can’t say the name otherwise I’d be identified. I was fairly early on so I think that’s why I am “privileged” in wlb. Either way I don’t complain haha.
      6d
    • Google / EngGrange
      Crazy wlb for a late stage startup.
      6d
  • Oracle Parx
    You complaining about 60-70? Clocking 84-90 at MS. Cloud is crazy but has taught me a lot at rapid pace
    6d11
    • New / Eng0xFFFFFD
      You are batshit crazy for working every waking hour. You will regret spending your youth locked up in an office when normal people had fun.
      6d
    • Oracle Parx
      Who said it’s for free? I am investing in my future self
      6d
    • New 0hedge
      Have oracle invest in you with paid proper training. Otherwise it is free unpaid labor for your future employer who doesn't care who paid for your training. Gotta change the slave mentality in tech. So many suckers who burn out young.
      6d
    • Oracle Parx
      Let’s just say you and I have totally different views.
      6d
    • Cisco lwac86
      Bad idea, not good for the health of your future self. No point having all that knowledge if you loose your health.
      6d
    • New / Eng0xFFFFFD
      You don't gain more knowledge by working 90 hours a week. There's only so much your brain can absorb in a day. Keep justifying being a slave and see others who work 40 hours a week get ahead of you. Someone who works 9-5 will become your boss while you still work every waking hour. Even black slaves on American coffee plantations had better WLB then you.
      6d
    • Cisco lwac86
      Such wlb is just unsustainable. It’s sad techies don’t realize this and actually take pride in this nonsense. Plenty of my friends in the Bay Area proudly claim that they put 70-80 hours of work. I am still in grad school and I think to myself that I never want to work like them.
      6d
    • Oracle Parx
      I feel weird seeing all these comments. I have been working like this for 5 years and have seen the benefits. Will decide when to stop but for now, I am loving it.
      6d
    • Facebook Eenieminie
      You are missing out on life buddy, you will regret when you look back at your youth days

      You can learn/get money any time, but not your youth, once it’s gone it’s gone

      I was hoping Microsoft to have better wlb, but you scared me. Are we doing that by choice or by force?
      5d
    • Oracle Parx
      It’s mostly my own choice. My colleagues maintain their wlb.
      5d
  • Vanguard / Engkrampus
    Make fat commits and leave whenever you want to. You can't argue with performance
    6d2
    • New / EngBabis
      Wrong answer. I’ve seen plenty of people shipping a lot of good code but being pushed to the sidelines because they weren’t conforming to the team dynamics, including staying in the office late.

      That might perhaps work if your manager is actually a significant stakeholder in the company (e.g. founder), but not if he/she is instead a line manager living in a world of politics and bullshit.
      6d
    • Bloomberg iVX372
      ^ this. Happened to me in a team working 40 hrs/week at a series A. Turned everyone against me by working harder and proposing/implementing solutions to issues created by more experienced engineers. Fuck startups
      6d
  • Microsoft nyxnyxnyx1
    Doesn't seem like to be in the US. It's impossible what you are describing for a team in US.
    6d0
  • New 0hedge
    Show them the hourly wage breakdown and how that compares with public transportation workers with pension and overtime
    6d0
  • Symantec WhiteHat_1
    Switch teams/companies. Bad work life balance is company and team dependent. In teams like you describe there is usually no way to change that, and if you work 9-5 you will disrupt the team dynamic and may end up getting piped.
    6d1
    • Facebook alt_qq
      If he's at MSFT then def should just switch teams. Most are 40 hours or fewer
      6d
  • Amazon ☻☻
    Be a team player and join in. Perhaps they won't have to work so hard with you being a part of the team.

    If thst doesnt worj then change the team quickly if you are not a good culture fit.
    6d3
    • Microsoft Clusterbbb
      OP
      Last guy who tried to got pipd
      6d
    • Amazon Jbeezy
      Haven’t heard of pips at Microsoft.
      6d
    • Microsoft nyxnyxnyx1
      I know 25 people who got pipd in past 3 years.
      6d
  • RackWare Dreamlight
    Are you on a visa? If not, just do your own thing and set an example of a good work life balance.
    5d0
  • Facebook MadMin
    @OP which org in Microsoft and which location?
    6d0
  • Tencent
    TdbT58

    Tencent

    PRE
    Salesforce
    TdbT58more
    MS research?
    6d0
  • Google / Eng
    Shaktiman’

    GoogleEng

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    Amazon
    Shaktiman’more
    Is this in US,
    6d0
  • Axtria BlindPts
    Which team is this?
    6d0
  • Amazon gemalto
    Find a new team, your current one sounds utterly insufferable
    6d0
  • Cisco lwac86
    Which team is this ?
    6d0

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