If S386 didn't pass...

New Apnd45
Sep 25 135 Comments

And Indians realized that there is no future here and took their business elsewhere, what would the consequences be?

FWIW, I do have a horse in the game.

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  • Facebook Hoold
    If you are so high skilled, why don't you make India Great again? GTFO and leave US a better place for everyone else
    Sep 25 7
    • Capital One
      maximumTC

      Capital One

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      OSIsoft
      maximumTCmore
      Isn’t that the problem. The nepotism and replacement of domestic workers with unqualified foreigners.
      Sep 25
    • New Apnd45
      OP
      I'd say it's an apt response to an asshole statement like that.
      Sep 25
    • Google / Eng hooli.xyz
      “If this bill passes, your kind will all but vanish from the workplace.”

      Wow, pro-S386 show their true colors. That is the definition of hate speech. Flagged.

      Shame on you 😠
      Sep 26
    • New Apnd45
      OP
      Try flagging it more. Post is still there. This is the response I give anyone who says GTFO to where I am from.
      Sep 26
    • Quora WalU80
      They cannot. They have kept developing for more than 70 years and still keep poverty.
      Sep 26
  • Apple ywusba
    Please take your ICC business elsewhere. Thanks!
    Sep 25 20
    • Microsoft mn$&xdt:4
      Google, you are saying we do not need diversity at the workplace? It's ok to give GC's only to Indians blocking all others?
      Sep 28
    • Google / Mgmt hoooli.xyz
      We need to increase diversity. There is a visa just for this. It's called diversity visa. There is something called employment visa - it's for ... You guessed it ... Employment. Each of these have specific purpose and a reason.

      I couldn't do my job better because I was born in country X vs Y.

      If you are sincere about diversity you would increase diversity visa numbers.
      Sep 28
    • Google / Mgmt hoooli.xyz
      So it's okay to make someone well qualified rot in line just because they were born in a populous country?
      Sep 28
    • Microsoft mn$&xdt:4
      What immigrants like you think doesn't matter how the policy should be. Tell me why the tech industry is pushing for diversity, giving opportunity to the minorities. Talent is not everything, there is always some kind of bias, manipulation etc. This country cap thing in GC actually worked pretty well to ensure fairness to non-Indian folks. How the hell the body shop ICC's get their PERM approved? Do they hire any non Indians? The way they pass the labor market test is the biggest scam. GC is the only carrot for those body shop workers, they didn't have to compete with any non Indian folks, got those jobs pretty easily. Exclude those scammers from the GC queue, your wait time will go down drastically. If country cap was not there, it would have been a disastrous unfair system.
      Sep 28
    • New Apnd45
      OP
      @hooli.xyz, they will never talk about these low skilled immigrants as long as they are 'diverse'. This is the nation of affirmative action. In fact, companies have started enforcing diversity quotas and hiring managers are defending themselves backwards to hit those absurd targets. Good luck trying to ship serious products any more.

      The Dick move in the Senate was the last nail in the coffin for our GC hopes. Dick said something silly like increase the number of GCs grsnted each year.
      Sep 29
  • Oracle / Eng I@m
    Guys every one needs to chill out. This is not a nation war. So please stop racist remarks and calling names. Let's not stoop to their level

    Enjoy the drama and have no expectations

    Life is not fair. Decide what's best for you. No point stressing over these external things not in your control

    Enjoy your stay in US and if we are kicked out or decide to move out we still have a country which is not under constant terrorism or any other unlivable conditions.

    I am not a very religious person but this msg resonates

    "In the Bhagavad Gita, Lord Krishna says that one must do one's duties, but one has no control over the fruits. Nor must one claim any right to the results."
    Sep 25 17
    • Oracle / Eng I@m
      Too personal of a question :)

      But why?
      Sep 25
    • Netflix razorlab
      Just wanted to see if you really are as self centered as your responses made you out to be.
      Sep 26
    • Oracle / Eng I@m
      Take your judgement and ...
      Believing in oneself is not self centered. Anyway not wasting my time convincing a judgemental stranger on Internet.
      Sep 26
    • Netflix razorlab
      We all have an obligation to our community and country/host country. Regardless of your status: illegal, h1b, gc, citizen. We all benefit from this place, in one way or another and I think you would agree. You belong here if you work activity to contribute to this nation both in the form of your professional skill and out of your own good will. The second part about own good will is what is lacking. Without it, it’s makes all the skilled workers coming to the us for the sole purpose of financial gain and seeking a better life, selfish. Do more than believe in yourself, find something in the country to believe in.
      Sep 26
    • Oracle / Eng I@m
      Really don't understand your point

      Love and peace. 👋
      Sep 26
  • Google wkkjy
    Companies will be forced to invest more outside the US. We already see places like Canada and London seeing a surge in FANG locations. Eventually, there will be more people hired outside of the US. One might say that this is actually good. But this seems similar to outsourcing to me. In the end the money is leaving the local economy. Meanwhile the average American Joe is still struggling, no change in his quality of life. So Americans can really choose one of those 2 things. Immigration or outsourcing.
    Sep 25 18
    • New Apnd45
      OP
      @fedexups, isn't it too early in the week to be smoking whatever you are smoking?
      Sep 25
    • New / Eng katnis
      This is so true. Facebook opened 3 new offices in London & Google is building a massive one there too. And yes the pay is lesser than SV but way above local companies
      Sep 25
    • Facebook / Eng
      ZuccBuck

      Facebook Eng

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      ZuccBuckmore
      Arguably immigration is better because the immigrants are spending their money in the local economy.
      Sep 26
    • Quora WalU80
      Those companies are for hiring qualified ppl there not only for Indians. Thank you and pls take humble. You are not everything
      Sep 26
    • Google wkkjy
      WalU80: Being qualified and being Indian are 2 distinct things. There are qualified Indians and then there are unqualified Indians. No one is forcing businesses to hire unqualified peoppe no matter where they come from. At the same time, the businesses dont care where people come from as long as they are qualified. What are you trying to say exactly?
      Sep 26
  • Amazon LostAtC
    Nothing, USA pays so much more than anywhere else in the world that people will stay here.
    Sep 25 6
    • One Indian posts something on Blind, @hooli.xyz gets behind him like anything.
      Oct 20
    • Google / Eng hooli.xyz
      But doesn’t my post ring true?

      Tell me what part of “One Indian leaves the queue and ten others will fight for his spot” is not true.
      Oct 20
    • @hooli.xyz
      "One Indian posts something on Blind, @hooli.xyz gets behind him like anything."
      Where did I say you do not post truth? Also is this above line false?
      Oct 20
    • Google / Eng hooli.xyz
      No it’s not. I don’t get your point. Am I not allowed to respond on Indian posts?
      Oct 20
    • @hooli.xyz
      Why are you concluding anything? Where did I said/mean that you shouldn't be allowed to respond to Indian posts?
      Oct 20
  • Samsung / R&D
    NlRv06

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    Qualcomm
    NlRv06more
    If S386 didn't pass that means more culturally-diverse work force is allowed into the US. US college graduates will have better job prospects -- definitely a good thing!
    Sep 25 3
    • T-Mobile / Other
      help11

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      Deloitte, Accenture
      help11more
      Are you for real??
      Sep 25
    • Google wkkjy
      The purpose of H1B is not to have diversity. There is already a separate diversity visa lottery, which Indians are not eligible for. The purpose of H1B is to hire skilled labor, thats it.
      Sep 25
    • New Apnd45
      OP
      Who thinks skin deep diversity is a good thing? As people in tech, we must celebrate diversity in thought and approach. Hiring a minority for the sake of it will turn tech into the entertainment business.
      Sep 25
  • Marvell / Eng HCiH86
    why so many Indians just flood into the state?
    I see a lot of bright Indian engineers and it’s such a shame none of them is kept inside their own country.

    Again, it’s really a shame when the brightest of a country just work to serve other nations.
    Sep 25 8
    • Google / Eng hooli.xyz
      “I didn't know shit about h1 visas, renewals and green cards when I came to the US to get a master's.”

      No research before making life-changing decisions like studying and moving to another country? 🙄

      “Your cracker cousins from across the pond don't seem interested either. Good luck”

      Impressive. You insulted not only Americans but Brits as well. Well done, boy!
      Sep 26
    • New Apnd45
      OP
      Lucky for you, your kind doesn't have to deal with anything of this sort. Most people don't know procedural rules until they have to deal with it. Especially at the age of 21. Of course, you need to deal with mountain loads of college debt, something we don't have to deal with. If you asked me, that is the reason behind lack of diversity in tech. Also, we are motivated as hell to learn about math and computers, you know, our bread and butter. Perhaps that's why your asses are handed to you by Indian and East Asian kids starting from school ending in the workplace. That's another reason for lack of diversity in tech.
      Sep 26
    • Google / Eng hooli.xyz
      Asses handed to us? Hahaha, by whom?

      Did you mean by the thousands of IT consultants who can barely write “hello world” code and at the same time clogging up your green card queue resulting in YOU never seeing any semblance of life stability nor acceptance in my great country that millions of your countrymen can only dream about?

      😉🤫
      Sep 26
    • New Apnd45
      OP
      I agree about them clogging up the line. However, how is it that Americans can't solve IT right here? General population so incompetent, huh?
      Sep 26
    • Google / Eng hooli.xyz
      My, oh my. Critical thinking is weak on this boy.

      Have you ever considered that most Americans are not willing to slave away ungodly hours for paltry wages in IT? Most Americans value finance, business, sales, and marketing more. You know, fields that pay much better than IT.
      Sep 26
  • Amazon uOuk86
    If people start moving outside of US then companies would hire more outside US like someone mentioned. So you’d be paying taxes in that country you are living in according to those laws. So US economy would have an impact. How big of an impact is debatable cause people still would come to US.

    Unless if there is a recession, in which case, many Indians would be leaving the country to Canada or India or Europe. That would have a terrific impact on US economy. Again, under the assumption that there are many layoffs.

    The impact of this bill being passed or not is irrelevant. Sad thing is to see your taxes paid in US are not useful for you because you won’t get a GC. Not that your fault but the fault of those who abused the system.

    While US is doing nothing to fix it, Indian people are just going to have to live under constant pressure of getting kicked out of the country, no matter how good of a school you went or which top company you work for.

    Your question is very subjective OP.
    Sep 25 4
    • New Apnd45
      OP
      These kinds of analyses are what I come to Blind for. More often than not, I end up having to deal with smug trolls.

      Thanks for making sense of the sitch.
      Sep 25
    • Capital One
      maximumTC

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      OSIsoft
      maximumTCmore
      So ... you pay taxes and get to enjoy safety, roads, civil laws, water, great income .... what sort of entitled nonsense is this?
      Sep 25
    • New Apnd45
      OP
      The US might be great in theory, but most of my tax Dollars are used up in a fruitless war somewhere in the middle east. QoL is on par with an East Asian developing country.
      Sep 25
    • AMD QVgF00
      So you're upset that you rolled the dice and came to this country as a non-citizen and then are bummed out that your taxes aren't allowing you to stay? LMFAO. Those are some big balls.
      Sep 26
  • The thing is nothing will change. It didn’t stop all the guys from India to migrate before why would it now?
    But everything will change if it passes.
    Sep 25 3
    • And I agree, at some point it WILL pass considering the amount of US-born Indians who will vouch for their parents once they’re grown up.
      Sep 25
    • Google, I didn’t say it’s bad or good. There are two sides here and the topic is really sensitive.
      Your comparison is a bit off though, do you understand you put slavery and working visa situation on the same line?
      Sep 25
    • I won’t benefit from any of the outcomes actually. So I don’t take any sides. I’m just a spectator who’s trying to predict what happens to this country and immigration situation if this bill passes.
      Sep 25
  • Booking.com
    Баба Яга

    Booking.com

    BIO
    🤬🤪🥴🥺🤫😜🤦‍♂️
    Баба Ягаmore
    Then china would be the next country to saturate the GC queue
    Sep 25 5
    • Amazon / Eng burien
      And then people will blame chinese. And after that south koreans, and so on.
      Sep 25
    • AMD QVgF00
      I don't think anyone is blaming the people for coming here but blaming the politicians and companies for bringing them.
      Sep 26
    • Thumbtack lalaland11
      Chinese don’t need to, they could go to China’s mega cities any time. Many in US have done so already, many are planning.
      Sep 26
    • New Apnd45
      OP
      Companies bringing them? I got a master's and a PhD here. Nobody brought most of us you clueless dipshit.
      Sep 26
  • Amazon / Eng burien
    In that case no change in my current plan which is - print truckload of money as much as I can, job hop as much as I can, and keep doing so until I am asked to leave. You do not have to be in the US in order to work in tech. There are other countries with competing and better QoL than the US and after all, there's my home country, India, where I move half of my money for investment. You gotta have a plan B and exit strategy before you set foot in someone else's territory. And I stay here because I like it. If you don't like it you can leave ;)
    Sep 25 2
    • AMD QVgF00
      So half the money you make here goes to the Indian economy? You are part of the problem.
      Sep 26
    • Wells Fargo icepin
      @QVgF00 You want him to invest all his money here without allowing him to have permanent status?
      Sep 27
  • Microsoft mn$&xdt:4
    What the immigrants think doesn't matter how the policy should be. Tell me why the tech industry is pushing for diversity, giving opportunity to the minorities. Talent is not everything, there is always some kind of bias, manipulation etc. This country cap thing in GC actually worked pretty well to ensure fairness to non-Indian folks. How the hell the body shop ICC's get their PERM approved? Do they hire any non Indians? The way they pass the labor market test is the biggest scam. GC is the only carrot for those body shop workers, they didn't have to compete with any non Indian folks, got those jobs pretty easily. Exclude those scammers from the GC queue, your wait time will go down drastically. If country cap was not there, it would have been a disastrous unfair system.
    Sep 28 2
    • Microsoft mn$&xdt:4
      That is precisely the question that needs asking but unfortunately no one cares. How can TCS successfully prove that they need an engineer here permanently when they have a business contract that needs renewal periodically. It also makes zero sense from a US perspective to allow one TCS guy under EB1C manager category with a salary of $90k-$140k and let him get precedence over a FAANG engineer making $260k.
      Sep 28
    • Amazon / Eng shyua
      Valid point.
      Sep 29
  • Netflix
    StreamNow

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    Google, Amazon
    StreamNowmore
    Bay Area housing will crash like there is no tomorrow!
    Sep 26 5
    • Amazon / Eng shyua
      I would love to see it.
      Sep 26
    • Facebook / Eng pookyh
      I guess we should get ready for the crash then as it’s not going to pass this year.
      Sep 26
    • Amazon / Eng shyua
      O yeah!
      Sep 26
    • New justgo
      Stop overpaying.
      Sep 27
    • Why would they though? It’s not like anyone’s getting deported or something.
      Sep 27
  • Red Hat Johnniewic
    Dang! Pretty sure the hate from all the FB guys is much to do with the crappy Indian managers at FB.
    Sep 25 1
  • Cruise Automation WJBA12
    I think you should stop relying on the US Government to fix the immigration system. I sympathize with your frustration but also want to remind you that from the American point of view it makes total sense to cap and limit the number of workers coming into the country, even when there is a shortage of skilled employees. There are over a billion Indians in the world , and over a Billion Chinese in the world. The USA can't bring everyone (skilled or not) from those countries. So this is the way they are rate-limiting immigration into the country. BTW, I myself an am immigrant. I went through the process myself, but luckily for my country it was much faster. Had I been in your shoes I'd probably go back to my home country from the frustration too. You should probably consider it.
    Sep 29 0
  • Airbnb
    Modipig

    Airbnb

    BIO
    Slacker
    Modipigmore
    The housing price of Bay Area would drop, oh yeah
    Sep 26 3
    • Palo Alto Networks NLP_ML
      I doubt this will happen. For indians under manager title or from rich family, very few indians buy house before 35. My neighbor(old indian) rented the garage to a young indian couple, they are very frugal.
      Sep 26
    • Booking.com
      Баба Яга

      Booking.com

      BIO
      🤬🤪🥴🥺🤫😜🤦‍♂️
      Баба Ягаmore
      Frugality. Do they work for Amazon?
      Sep 26
    • Palo Alto Networks NLP_ML
      I use nice term, but you got what i mean. One of them work in a big name company.
      Sep 27
  • Palo Alto Networks NLP_ML
    Indeed, no one cares, even if all indians leave US as Indians got paid 1/20 of Americans.
    Sep 26 3
    • New Apnd45
      OP
      Says a PAN employee who hasn't seen a place filled with Indians minting money.
      Sep 26
    • LinkedIn bluespark
      Man my non Indian colleagues are paid 10 million usd? Good for them.
      Sep 26
    • New Apnd45
      OP
      Seriously, these people are parroting the lines of anti-immigration fringe (both ends of the political spectrum).
      Sep 26
  • New justgo
    Yeah, why don't you make India Great again? Look the infrastructure in India. It's a joke! Just leave! Are you insecure now because RoW and US people are aware of the fraudulent agenda. 150,000 visa applications? Come on! https://www.economist.com/united-states/2017/02/09/h-1b-visas-do-mainly-go-to-indian-outsourcing-firms
    Sep 27 1
    • Airbnb
      Modipig

      Airbnb

      BIO
      Slacker
      Modipigmore
      Well said, India is the world’s biggest democracy country in terms of population after all. Unless... its all fake just like those ICC fraudsters resume 🤔
      Sep 27
  • Amazon
    fedexups

    Amazon

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    Amazon
    fedexupsmore
    What business?
    Sep 25 1
    • EPAM Systems jdHsn64
      Gas stations
      Sep 26
  • NIO / Eng
    lostninja

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    lostninjamore
    I am not on H1 and I haven’t dug enough into this S386. But I see in the comments about people leaving US and getting jobs in other countries like Canada. I have a question, how would that change the US work culture so to speak? At my previous job, though I am a software engineer, most of my work was to talk to other SW dev engineers in India and production people in China. From that perspective, I am just thinking that sure, there would be more dev teams outside US that I have to talk to but that won’t drastically be different than what I used to do because after all the tech hub and/or the HQs are all here and hence the shots are all called from here too. Am I missing something in my understanding?
    Sep 25 3
    • Amazon / Eng burien
      There are so many silicon valleys which compete with the silicon valley of the US. Asia and Europe have billions of people with money to spend as compared to 350 million population in the US. It is consumers market. Research universities are a different story.
      Sep 25
    • Google wkkjy
      It wont change your life, obviously. If an unfair system punishes a certain group of people, and then the systenm is abolished; only those that were wronged by it will feel the relief. Why would it be any different for you?
      Sep 25
    • NIO / Eng
      lostninja

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      lostninjamore
      I see. It’s just that, I kinda wanted to understand that impact of the S386 from my perspective. I mean this bill doesn’t affect me directly and hence I was trying to gauge how does it really affect me in the bigger picture. So far it does kinda seem like for the most part I probably wouldn’t feel much in the short term.
      Sep 25

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