And Indians realized that there is no future here and took their business elsewhere, what would the consequences be?
FWIW, I do have a horse in the game.
And Indians realized that there is no future here and took their business elsewhere, what would the consequences be?
- Facebook HooldIf you are so high skilled, why don't you make India Great again? GTFO and leave US a better place for everyone else
- We need to increase diversity. There is a visa just for this. It's called diversity visa. There is something called employment visa - it's for ... You guessed it ... Employment. Each of these have specific purpose and a reason.
I couldn't do my job better because I was born in country X vs Y.
If you are sincere about diversity you would increase diversity visa numbers.
- What immigrants like you think doesn't matter how the policy should be. Tell me why the tech industry is pushing for diversity, giving opportunity to the minorities. Talent is not everything, there is always some kind of bias, manipulation etc. This country cap thing in GC actually worked pretty well to ensure fairness to non-Indian folks. How the hell the body shop ICC's get their PERM approved? Do they hire any non Indians? The way they pass the labor market test is the biggest scam. GC is the only carrot for those body shop workers, they didn't have to compete with any non Indian folks, got those jobs pretty easily. Exclude those scammers from the GC queue, your wait time will go down drastically. If country cap was not there, it would have been a disastrous unfair system.
- @hooli.xyz, they will never talk about these low skilled immigrants as long as they are 'diverse'. This is the nation of affirmative action. In fact, companies have started enforcing diversity quotas and hiring managers are defending themselves backwards to hit those absurd targets. Good luck trying to ship serious products any more.
The Dick move in the Senate was the last nail in the coffin for our GC hopes. Dick said something silly like increase the number of GCs grsnted each year.Sep 29 0
- Guys every one needs to chill out. This is not a nation war. So please stop racist remarks and calling names. Let's not stoop to their level
Enjoy the drama and have no expectations
Life is not fair. Decide what's best for you. No point stressing over these external things not in your control
Enjoy your stay in US and if we are kicked out or decide to move out we still have a country which is not under constant terrorism or any other unlivable conditions.
I am not a very religious person but this msg resonates
"In the Bhagavad Gita, Lord Krishna says that one must do one's duties, but one has no control over the fruits. Nor must one claim any right to the results."
- We all have an obligation to our community and country/host country. Regardless of your status: illegal, h1b, gc, citizen. We all benefit from this place, in one way or another and I think you would agree. You belong here if you work activity to contribute to this nation both in the form of your professional skill and out of your own good will. The second part about own good will is what is lacking. Without it, it’s makes all the skilled workers coming to the us for the sole purpose of financial gain and seeking a better life, selfish. Do more than believe in yourself, find something in the country to believe in.
- Companies will be forced to invest more outside the US. We already see places like Canada and London seeing a surge in FANG locations. Eventually, there will be more people hired outside of the US. One might say that this is actually good. But this seems similar to outsourcing to me. In the end the money is leaving the local economy. Meanwhile the average American Joe is still struggling, no change in his quality of life. So Americans can really choose one of those 2 things. Immigration or outsourcing.
- WalU80: Being qualified and being Indian are 2 distinct things. There are qualified Indians and then there are unqualified Indians. No one is forcing businesses to hire unqualified peoppe no matter where they come from. At the same time, the businesses dont care where people come from as long as they are qualified. What are you trying to say exactly?
- Amazon LostAtCNothing, USA pays so much more than anywhere else in the world that people will stay here.
- Samsung / R&D NlRv06moreIf S386 didn't pass that means more culturally-diverse work force is allowed into the US. US college graduates will have better job prospects -- definitely a good thing!
- Marvell / Eng HCiH86why so many Indians just flood into the state?
I see a lot of bright Indian engineers and it’s such a shame none of them is kept inside their own country.
Again, it’s really a shame when the brightest of a country just work to serve other nations.
- “I didn't know shit about h1 visas, renewals and green cards when I came to the US to get a master's.”
No research before making life-changing decisions like studying and moving to another country? 🙄
“Your cracker cousins from across the pond don't seem interested either. Good luck”
Impressive. You insulted not only Americans but Brits as well. Well done, boy!
- Lucky for you, your kind doesn't have to deal with anything of this sort. Most people don't know procedural rules until they have to deal with it. Especially at the age of 21. Of course, you need to deal with mountain loads of college debt, something we don't have to deal with. If you asked me, that is the reason behind lack of diversity in tech. Also, we are motivated as hell to learn about math and computers, you know, our bread and butter. Perhaps that's why your asses are handed to you by Indian and East Asian kids starting from school ending in the workplace. That's another reason for lack of diversity in tech.
- Asses handed to us? Hahaha, by whom?
Did you mean by the thousands of IT consultants who can barely write “hello world” code and at the same time clogging up your green card queue resulting in YOU never seeing any semblance of life stability nor acceptance in my great country that millions of your countrymen can only dream about?
- My, oh my. Critical thinking is weak on this boy.
Have you ever considered that most Americans are not willing to slave away ungodly hours for paltry wages in IT? Most Americans value finance, business, sales, and marketing more. You know, fields that pay much better than IT.
- Amazon uOuk86If people start moving outside of US then companies would hire more outside US like someone mentioned. So you’d be paying taxes in that country you are living in according to those laws. So US economy would have an impact. How big of an impact is debatable cause people still would come to US.
Unless if there is a recession, in which case, many Indians would be leaving the country to Canada or India or Europe. That would have a terrific impact on US economy. Again, under the assumption that there are many layoffs.
The impact of this bill being passed or not is irrelevant. Sad thing is to see your taxes paid in US are not useful for you because you won’t get a GC. Not that your fault but the fault of those who abused the system.
While US is doing nothing to fix it, Indian people are just going to have to live under constant pressure of getting kicked out of the country, no matter how good of a school you went or which top company you work for.
Your question is very subjective OP.
- The thing is nothing will change. It didn’t stop all the guys from India to migrate before why would it now?
But everything will change if it passes.
- In that case no change in my current plan which is - print truckload of money as much as I can, job hop as much as I can, and keep doing so until I am asked to leave. You do not have to be in the US in order to work in tech. There are other countries with competing and better QoL than the US and after all, there's my home country, India, where I move half of my money for investment. You gotta have a plan B and exit strategy before you set foot in someone else's territory. And I stay here because I like it. If you don't like it you can leave ;)
- What the immigrants think doesn't matter how the policy should be. Tell me why the tech industry is pushing for diversity, giving opportunity to the minorities. Talent is not everything, there is always some kind of bias, manipulation etc. This country cap thing in GC actually worked pretty well to ensure fairness to non-Indian folks. How the hell the body shop ICC's get their PERM approved? Do they hire any non Indians? The way they pass the labor market test is the biggest scam. GC is the only carrot for those body shop workers, they didn't have to compete with any non Indian folks, got those jobs pretty easily. Exclude those scammers from the GC queue, your wait time will go down drastically. If country cap was not there, it would have been a disastrous unfair system.
- That is precisely the question that needs asking but unfortunately no one cares. How can TCS successfully prove that they need an engineer here permanently when they have a business contract that needs renewal periodically. It also makes zero sense from a US perspective to allow one TCS guy under EB1C manager category with a salary of $90k-$140k and let him get precedence over a FAANG engineer making $260k.Sep 28 1
- Red Hat JohnniewicDang! Pretty sure the hate from all the FB guys is much to do with the crappy Indian managers at FB.
- Cruise Automation WJBA12I think you should stop relying on the US Government to fix the immigration system. I sympathize with your frustration but also want to remind you that from the American point of view it makes total sense to cap and limit the number of workers coming into the country, even when there is a shortage of skilled employees. There are over a billion Indians in the world , and over a Billion Chinese in the world. The USA can't bring everyone (skilled or not) from those countries. So this is the way they are rate-limiting immigration into the country. BTW, I myself an am immigrant. I went through the process myself, but luckily for my country it was much faster. Had I been in your shoes I'd probably go back to my home country from the frustration too. You should probably consider it.
- Indeed, no one cares, even if all indians leave US as Indians got paid 1/20 of Americans.
- Yeah, why don't you make India Great again? Look the infrastructure in India. It's a joke! Just leave! Are you insecure now because RoW and US people are aware of the fraudulent agenda. 150,000 visa applications? Come on! https://www.economist.com/united-states/2017/02/09/h-1b-visas-do-mainly-go-to-indian-outsourcing-firms
- I am not on H1 and I haven’t dug enough into this S386. But I see in the comments about people leaving US and getting jobs in other countries like Canada. I have a question, how would that change the US work culture so to speak? At my previous job, though I am a software engineer, most of my work was to talk to other SW dev engineers in India and production people in China. From that perspective, I am just thinking that sure, there would be more dev teams outside US that I have to talk to but that won’t drastically be different than what I used to do because after all the tech hub and/or the HQs are all here and hence the shots are all called from here too. Am I missing something in my understanding?
- I see. It’s just that, I kinda wanted to understand that impact of the S386 from my perspective. I mean this bill doesn’t affect me directly and hence I was trying to gauge how does it really affect me in the bigger picture. So far it does kinda seem like for the most part I probably wouldn’t feel much in the short term.