I’m a Recruiter - AMA 2.0

Amazon dmbm345
Nov 17 267 Comments

A little over 1.5 years ago, I made this post and answered a ton of recruiting-related questions. Let’s do it again? https://us.teamblind.com/s/Z2Tx48zt

- Now working at Facebook
- Still love a good recruiter joke
- Primarily recruited for Tech, specifically SWE

A few rules/tips:
- I don’t evaluate offers

- My negotiation tips are to be honest and open with your recruiter about your wants and needs, as your recruiter is who negotiates and fights for you internally. The more transparent you are, the easier it is for us to work for you. (It may not always feel this way, but this is how it should work)

- No, recruiters don’t get additional compensation for “low-balling” you

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TOP 267 Comments
  • Cisco Be_happy
    Please be honest. How many candidates have you ghosted so far? and how many LinkedIn messages do you ignore a week?
    Nov 17 7
    • Cisco Be_happy
      Read my question again but slowly this time.
      Nov 17
    • Amazon le6wKa
      The fake facade of niceness which recruiters maintain was exposed and ripped apart in this response. Well done Cisco.

      Also a suggestion to you recruiter, don't maintain a fake, formal facade every time. You don't have to send that formal templated rejection emails to candidates every time. Try to be more casual, try to be more human. Leave machine language upto us engineers.
      Nov 17
    • Jesus @Cisco, you really did a number on OP 😂👌💪
      Nov 17
    • US Navy / Eng fps_doug
      So far = since Jan 1 1970

      Ghosting = you had an action item to get back to a candidate e.g. call to discuss OA results, go over next steps and never followed through
      Nov 17
    • Amazon dmbm345
      OP
      In my career, I’d say less than five or so times. I don’t get the point of leaving a candidate hanging on purpose. I’ve definitely had scenarios where I mistakenly forgot to reply to an email or I checked something off my to do list that I hadn’t actually completed but I truly can’t think of an example where I did it deliberately. I’ve been ghosted by recruiters in the past. It’s a bad feeling, and not one I want to make a habit of making my candidates feel
      Nov 17
  • Amazon / Strategy imymineme
    Then why do you low ball people?
    Nov 17 9
    • Amazon / Strategy imymineme
      Btw you sound like an honest/unbiased/‘let’s do good for everyone’ kind of recruiter.

      👍
      Nov 17
    • Amazon dmbm345
      OP
      Agreed with mBQY22. The more information you provide me with, the more I can use data and evidence when I speak with the compensation team to build your offer
      Nov 17
    • Airbnb YdSR51
      What are the checks and balances?
      Nov 17
    • US Navy / Eng fps_doug
      Never thought of our relationship as a partnership, interesting...
      Nov 17
    • Google 有沒有什
      This is so true. I refused to name a number got a total lowball minimum offer. Mentioned my Amazon offer amount and my estimated salary increase at current job at end of year. Recruiter beat it by 30k and chucked on a sign-on of 75k. Didn't back and forth just told them the facts they said I don't want to get into a bidding war I said me neither and bam. From bottom of band to top.
      Nov 18
  • New
    scheme

    New

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    Started blind to get some break from work. Now I work to get some break from blind.
    schememore
    Considering the current immigration issues, do you at a personal level prefer non-visa candidates over visa candidates even if the visa candidates are slightly more qualified?
    Nov 17 7
    • Amazon dmbm345
      OP
      It’s all the same to me. I want my candidates to get offers. That’s arguably the most important metric I’m judged on. I don’t care if a candidate needs Visa assistance or not
      Nov 17
    • Roku de Vil
      I feel like whenever I tell recruiters I don't need visa help there is a slight relief, at least that's how it sounds when I answer the question.
      Nov 17
    • Cisco
      🦙 Alpaca

      Cisco

      BIO
      I am the Alpaca. DM me if you want to cuddle.
      🦙 Alpacamore
      Yeah because visa costs money, and having those visa holders leaving the company also costs extra money.
      Nov 17
    • Reputation.com HjYN27
      I'm quite sure Facebook doesn't recruit internationals for non-tech roles.
      Nov 17
    • New
      scheme

      New

      BIO
      Started blind to get some break from work. Now I work to get some break from blind.
      schememore
      Haha. I feel like whenever I bring up the visa transfer these days, recruiters take a pause. Don't blame them tbh considering the shit show that it has become. Didn't experience those pauses few years ago.
      Nov 17
  • AppDynamics 🥨pretzl🥨
    Hey, I remember your from the previous thread, you're really nice, thanks and congrats on your move to Facebook!
    Nov 17 2
    • Amazon dmbm345
      OP
      Hey! Thank you! This really means a lot!
      Nov 17
    • WeWork WeBroke
      +1 for the thanks
      Nov 17
  • Automattic gh0sted
    If someone states salary expectations well below what you know can be offered, do you offer them the low salary (or just slightly higher) or let them know they can get much more?
    Nov 17 3
    • Amazon dmbm345
      OP
      My compensation team will typically build an offer centered around what other hires at your level/role/location/etc will be receiving. More than likely, we’re not going to let you underprice yourself because if/when you find out how underpaid you are, you’re going to be upset and may quit, which is the opposite of what we want. We’d rather pay you fairly up front, blow your expectations away, and prevent the scenario I laid out previously from happening
      Nov 17
    • Automattic gh0sted
      👍
      Nov 17
    • New QTdN03
      ^ This is good to know. Many people are underpaid, and they’ll find out sooner or later!!
      Nov 17
  • Walmart plantsalad
    When you message people on LinkedIn, do you appreciate or expect a quick, “Thanks, but I’m not interested” from those who are happy where they are? Do you think negatively of those who don’t respond? How many people typically respond to those messages?
    Nov 17 1
    • Amazon dmbm345
      OP
      PLEASE! If I send you a message about a role at Facebook and you’re not interested right now but might be interested later, please tell us that. Any sort of communication from a candidate is valued. If you as a candidate replied to me and said “Hey, now isn’t the right time but let’s chat again in (month)”, I would be so appreciative.

      I don’t think negatively of people who don’t respond. I certainly wish they did, but (especially in recruiting) I can’t get upset over other people’s behavior
      Nov 17
  • WeWork WeBroke
    What was the highest offer you presented? And at which level? What did the candidates do to deserve an outstanding offer?
    Nov 17 4
    • Amazon dmbm345
      OP
      Facebook’s E6. Somewhere between $900,000 and $1 million in RSU’s
      Nov 17
    • eBay pnfAB$7x
      What is the skill set/YoE. With competing offer?
      Nov 17
    • WeWork WeBroke
      Any advice on how to get an E6 interview? Should I be upfront on the leveling with the recruiter? What’s needed from the interview, on-site, background to demonstrate a E6 offer?
      Nov 17
    • Google / Eng tnxU67
      What makes a candidate qualified to be considered for an E6 Position?
      Nov 17
  • Amazon / Eng
    oneleg

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    onelegmore
    Do you personally have any weight in terms of influencing the hiring decision? Or is it all up to the feedback/hm/committee?
    Nov 17 5
    • Amazon dmbm345
      OP
      I don’t know if “weight” is quite the right word. When our debrief group is reviewing feedback, it’s up to me as your recruiter to present that feedback. So I’ll present your interview results, any references you have, your resume, and any other relevant data, to that group. If they start focusing on negative parts of the feedback, I may try to bring up some of the positives in hopes that they don’t start exploring down-leveling, for example. Again, I’m fighting on your behalf internally.

      So I don’t really carry any of the decision-making power but I always try to present my candidates in the best light
      Nov 17
    • Amazon / Strategy imymineme
      Is this Facebook specific? I have been in a few dozen debriefs in different orgs and never seen the recruiter speak up for or against the candidate.

      Usually the BR does majority of talking.
      Nov 17
    • Amazon dmbm345
      OP
      In my experience, it’s been more common and widespread at Facebook. When I attended debriefs at Amazon, the BR definitely did most of the talking but I didn’t hesitate to chime in if I had information that was relevant. It wasn’t constant, but it happened
      Nov 17
    • Amazon econgineer
      I've seen recruiters interject if there's details we're forgetting to discuss that might be critical.
      Nov 17
    • Amazon dmbm345
      OP
      Exactly, econgineer. In my opinion, I shouldn’t have a ton to say in a debrief but I definitely do want to jump in if the conversation veers in a negative direction and I have something positive to add or to mitigate that concern
      Nov 17
  • Twitch heehooha
    What is the most common mistake you’ve seen candidates make?
    Nov 17 6
    • Lyft / Eng 1👌1
      Do you suggest that we should have prepared anecdotes that might not have really happened?
      Nov 17
    • Amazon dmbm345
      OP
      Not at all. I’m saying that “I don’t have an example” isn’t going to be seen as a positive. In this example, everyone has endured a conflict at work, even if the example is super small. Not being able to think of even a tiny example to this question would be concerning
      Nov 17
    • Twitch heehooha
      Great advice — actually I learned this early in my career by not having an answer to this question :/

      Maybe what’s the second biggest mistake? 🙏 ty so much!
      Nov 17
    • Twilio lLEv16
      I have not had a good conflict worth talking about in 5 years of my work experience. What should I do? So far I have exaggerated some situation I have had or just made something up because of course I do not want to answer 'nothing' as you said it is a red flag. But I am not being honest either. I do not think I am passive or shy. If I think something I say it, but I feel like people are usually decent and reasonable so conflict does not happen.
      Nov 18
    • Twitch heehooha
      @ILEv16 I think 90% of the time just disagreeing someone is what people are looking for. Or if someone disagreeed with you. They look for how you handle it.
      Nov 18
  • Facebook cBaw41
    *OP Update*

    Well, Blind hit me with an update and I can’t log in to my old Amazon account. I can keep answering questions as best as I can but won’t be getting notifications anymore. I’ll just bookmark the post.
    Nov 19 0
  • Amazon / Strategy imymineme
    Also, what do you do when the candidate was down leveled and insists on a higher level than offered?
    Nov 17 6
    • Amazon / Strategy imymineme
      I get that but what happens when the candidate negotiates for a higher level?
      Nov 17
    • Amazon dmbm345
      OP
      I may not be understanding your question. Your level is determined by the interviewing teams. It’s not like that’s open to interpretation. If I say “My team leveled you at a 5” and you say “I want to be a 6”, nothing is going to happen. The team leveled you as a 5.
      Nov 17
    • Amazon / Strategy imymineme
      You got it! And let’s say I have a competing offer (written) at 6 with Apple and Google.

      Does that provide any negotiating power?
      Nov 17
    • Amazon dmbm345
      OP
      I think at the very most, it may get us to do a double check of the feedback to make sure we didn’t miss anything but it almost assuredly won’t change anyone’s mind. It would be kind of weird if we used another company’s feedback to make our decision, you know?
      Nov 17
    • Amazon / Strategy imymineme
      Thanks, good to know!

      Last Q - When job reqs are opened at FB, are they opened at a certain level similar to Amazon? I understand that the candidate could up or down perform in the interview but did I interview for a particular level to begin with?
      Nov 17
  • Microsoft usjwnkshd
    How do you get a job as a recruiter in the first place? Is it possible my spouse, who has been a stayhome mom for a while but with a brilliant brain, getting a job as a recruiter?
    Nov 17 5
    • Cisco Be_happy
      If she is an honest person, it's hard.
      Nov 17
    • New
      scheme

      New

      BIO
      Started blind to get some break from work. Now I work to get some break from blind.
      schememore
      The roast! 🔥🔥
      Nov 17
    • Amazon dmbm345
      OP
      A lot of being a recruiter is about problem solving and overcoming objections. If you don’t have any recruiting experience, these are good qualities to have
      Nov 17
    • Microsoft usjwnkshd
      How do you start career as a recruiter? College major doesn’t seem playing a role. Assuming one has all the qualities but nothing to show in the paper, how do you start? Perhaps join a recruiting agency as a contract worker first?
      Nov 17
    • Indeed mHyq20
      Almost anyone can get a job as a recruiter if they're willing to start at a staffing agency and work there for a few years to get experience before moving onto a corporate recruiter role
      Nov 19
  • Wells Fargo BRQj38
    When is the best time to apply if there's opening? Should I try to avoid the holiday season and wait until after new year to apply?
    Nov 18 2
    • Amazon dmbm345
      OP
      I don’t think there’s really a better time than others. I think the downside to interviewing right now through December is just that teams are super busy so it can be a challenge internally finding interviewers, but that’s more on us as recruiters and not really on you as a candidate
      Nov 18
    • Wells Fargo BRQj38
      Thank you. This is helpful. I'll keep it in mind
      Nov 18
  • Amazon ufjP27
    Is it normal to wait 4+ weeks for final results from a 2nd phone interview for an internship position? I saw that you said University Recruiting works differently, but what could be the delay? My recruiter is still responsive and provides updates, albeit informing me that they are still looking at results.
    Nov 19 5
    • Translation: they're waiting to see if their first choice would take the offer first

      **not OP**
      Nov 19
    • Amazon ufjP27
      I was just under the impression that there was only a bar to clear for generalist roles, and especially for an internship. And that ranking candidates comes at senior levels, but I guess I was mistaken, thanks.
      Nov 19
    • The optimist in me would say the interviewers are just busy trying to wrap up work for the holidays. So your feedback may not be submitted as early as you'd like. There's still hope
      Nov 19
    • Facebook cBaw41
      *OP*

      I’m sorry, I really have no idea. The fact that your recruiter is responsive is a good thing though. Why not ask them? Explain that you’re still very excited about working with them on an offer and were simply asking for any sort of update on timeline. Also, you can mention that you’re happy to provide anything they may need to help move the process forward. Don’t be pushy, but be helpful. I’m not fully aware of how that process works but if you have that direct line of communication, use it! :)
      Nov 19
    • Amazon ufjP27
      Thanks for the advice! I’ll be sure to ask!
      Nov 20
  • Roku de Vil
    You do get annoyed with people directly messaging you on LinkedIn?
    Nov 17 3
    • Amazon dmbm345
      OP
      Maybe a tiny bit. A lot of it just messages asking me to get them a job at (company). If the candidate has the skills I’m looking for, I’m usually able to help. If they don’t, I try to direct them to the right person but I get inundated with messages. If I responded to all of them, I’d never get my own job done
      Nov 17
    • Roku de Vil
      I think it's better to let them reach out to you or apply directly to a job post. Unless you're some rockstar candidate.
      Nov 17
    • US Navy / Eng fps_doug
      That's the thing though. Some places I've had no luck getting their attention so it seems like a last resort to contact a recruiter on LinkedIn
      Nov 17
  • Snapchat jvfrsv
    How do you know if candidates are lying about their competing offers? Do you ask them to forward their offer letter or take their word for it?
    Nov 17 4
    • Amazon dmbm345
      OP
      I’ll ask for any proof you can provide. The more you provide, the more I can take to my compensation team as data to help your case on an offer. If you don’t provide anything, then I don’t have a lot (other than what you tell me) to show my compensation team, which means they’re less likely to make any sort of adjustment to an offer
      Nov 17
    • Amazon / Strategy imymineme
      I’ve seen multiple threads now where people successfully negotiated in FB based on other verbal offer... sounds like you might get a bump on verbal competing offers but it just won’t be as big if you were to provide ‘proof’ (whatever that means) of a competing offer.
      Nov 17
    • Roku de Vil
      So an engineer isn't really paid for anything other than their negotiating skills with multiple offers?
      Nov 17
    • Amazon / Strategy imymineme
      Not limited to engineers.

      Everyone unfortunately.
      Nov 17
  • New /\
    What's the process for gauging the level for the candidate?
    Nov 17 3
    • Amazon dmbm345
      OP
      For the most part, it’s determined in your onsite interview based on what skills and impact you demonstrate. Your years of experience may go into it as well but nothing is really confirmed until your onsite
      Nov 17
    • New /\
      But at Amazon you cannot be interviewed by people who are level below the position. So how do you ensure that the right interviewers are doing the interview?
      Nov 17
    • Amazon dmbm345
      OP
      We look at other factors like years of experience, where you’ve worked and what you’ve done at those places, and at any references you may have. Information like that can indicate where you may be at level-wise too
      Nov 17
  • New
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    Yoe: 🦏 TC: 🐐 Still not serious about life ...
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    What is the hardest part of your job that no one has made easy yet?
    How do you avoid biases while selecting candidates?
    Nov 17 1
    • Amazon dmbm345
      OP
      Such great questions. Thank you so much for asking.

      Hardest part of my job? Either finding true, qualified, candidates or getting them into the process. In tech, response rates may range between 25% and 35%? Something like that. There are outliers, sure, but that may be average. For every 10 emails sent, that’s 2-4 responses. Just like that, your candidate pool is whittled down.

      Facebook makes all recruiters go through courses about how to recognize and mitigate/eliminate bias. I do my very best to look at candidate’s objectively and routinely review profiles with other colleagues to make sure I’m not missing things on resumes or to better understand candidate’s experience. Always trying to be better at what we do and that includes being aware of and fighting against biases.
      Nov 17
  • WeWork WeBroke
    How well do I need to do to get a E6 offer?
    Nov 18 7
    • Amazon dmbm345
      OP
      Very well
      Nov 18
    • WeWork WeBroke
      Ok it is possible to get an E6 offer if I was slotted at E5 for my on-site? Or should I be upfront with the recruiter?
      Nov 18
    • Amazon dmbm345
      OP
      Yes, it would be possible, but your interview performance would dictate that
      Nov 18
    • WeWork WeBroke
      Thanks. What are the signals needed in a E5 on-site to get an E6 offer?
      Nov 18
    • Amazon dmbm345
      OP
      My best advice for an interview is to speak from your own experiences and let leveling work out naturally
      Nov 18
  • New m349830
    Why are most of your peers so incompetent?
    Nov 18 4
    • Uber / Eng LqMz66
      Maybe you could put a bit more effort into your question. This comes off as pretty rude
      Nov 18
    • Microsoft usjwnkshd
      Very rude and that is not my experience. Some of that might be on you.
      Nov 18
    • New m349830
      I cant control ghosting. Ignoring emails. Frequent rescheduling of calls or calling out of the blue. Not reading my resume before a call. Not knowing what skills are needed for the job they are hiring for. Not knowing what the job is beyond 2/5/8/10 YoE doing x. And not having a clue what the timeline to fill a role is.
      Nov 18
    • Amazon dmbm345
      OP
      Sorry that this has been your experience. Just like with every job on the planet, some people are better at their jobs than others
      Nov 18

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