I’m an immigrant and Trump does not scare me

Microsoft / Eng yayssa
Nov 1, 2018 73 Comments

Recently, especially after the birthright citizenship debacle, I’ve seen lots of legal immigrants rant on how they feel unwelcome in the USA and how they are considering moving to a different country or returning to their home country.

Everyone is entitled to their own feelings and opinions. While it saddens me that people feel unwelcome or unsafe it, I want to share my view which is stands at the opposite end of the spectrum.

I’ll just throw this out there: if you’re abusing these nation’s immigration laws by means H1B fraud or by bogus asylum claims or by crossing the border illegally your in Trump’s crosshairs. This however is as it should be. This is a nation of laws. It will stop being a nation altogether the moment it allows anyone and everyone to come here as they wish.

As a legal immigrant however I don’t worry about any of that. In fact I’m applying for citizenship soon and have no reason to fear because I’ve been truthful and honest every step of the way and followed the law to the letter. And my understanding is that that is what this administration wants. I have enough republican friends & neighbors who I talked to and that’s what they want as well.

If you’re here legally, your children have US citizenship and no one is advocating for changing that.

There’s no generalized hate towards immigrants. Quite the opposite. When I mentioned that I believe this is the greatest country on earth, and feel positive about my family’s future here (buying a second house soon & starting a side business) I received a number of messages of support and encouragement. I’ve only been verbally assaulted for breaking outside the groupthink norms on social issues such as this.

Maybe it won’t help anyone, but since there are so many immigrants who feel this way I thought I’d share my opinion.

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TOP 73 Comments
  • New / Eng @#$_&
    Maybe you don't feel scared because you are on your way to citizenship. People who don't have a green card have a lot to be fearful. Even the legal ones. The ones that have been to top schools and work for big 4 too.
    Nov 1, 2018 7
    • Intel 11012018
      OP don't know what you are talking about. It will hurt bad when it hits home.
      Nov 1, 2018
    • Apple / Eng Marijuana
      Trump is getting rid of the H-4 EAD administratively (rather than waiting for a court to force them) - that in itself is a reason to be suspicious.
      Nov 1, 2018
    • Microsoft / Eng yayssa
      OP
      H4 EAD should not have existed in the first place. It was created out of thin air and will disappear as such. Not only was it created borderline illegally, it also offers no protections for US workers (requirements of labor certification, prevailing wage, etc). It’s an abomination and anyone who thought this was going to last forever is naive (to put it nicely).
      Nov 1, 2018
    • PayPal Yellowp
      OP, H4-EAD is here to stay. There’s L2 EAD as well. If H4 EAD goes away, then L2 EAD must go away as well.
      Nov 2, 2018
    • Apple / Eng Marijuana
      L-2 EAD was created by Congress. It also does not have any requirements for prevailing wage.

      So the only difference is whether the program itself is legal (being administrative vs statutory) , and that should be something the supreme court should decide.
      Nov 2, 2018
  • Lyft ci7gh4
    I got my gc from trump after Obama delayed it by years
    Nov 1, 2018 6
    • Microsoft HURi57
      Yes, Obama was personally responsible for delaying ci7gh4's green card. Was in the news. And recently Fox reported that trump personally handed ci7gh4's green card to him.
      Nov 1, 2018
    • Microsoft Ilovebeer
      lmao
      Nov 1, 2018
    • McAfee JohnMcPee
      Can confirm.
      Nov 1, 2018
    • Microsoft Ilovebeer
      rofl
      Nov 1, 2018
    • Lyft ci7gh4
      That photo is almost as good as my gc
      Nov 3, 2018
  • McAfee JohnMcPee
    You are thinking about happy paths where it’s all sunshine and roses. But there are so many factors at play.

    1. What happens if there is a clerical error when your petition is filed?
    2. What happens if your I-140 is approved yet you can’t switch because of some USCIS rule?
    3. What happens if you are laid off without cause (not everybody works at FANG)?
    4. What happens if your visa is rejected even if you have all the documents?
    5. What happens if you are stranded in another country because you wanted to stamp you passport and the visa officer threw a fit?

    No one is denying that the system is being gamed by a few. But it is unfair to the others who are here legally without any fraud of any sort.

    You have to be prepared for the sudden things that happen in life. And that is scary. It’s like you have tested your code. QA has tested your code. Your code worked fine in staging. It worked fine in Production too. But some weird combination of input blew it up. Yeah, you gotta factor in the edge cases too. And it’s not favorable to any immigrant when things go south.
    Nov 1, 2018 12
    • Microsoft Ilovebeer
      😂
      Nov 1, 2018
    • Microsoft / Eng yayssa
      OP
      I’m European, so I did not understand the poetry. I’m sure it’s something mean, like any liberal would say to someone guilty of wrongthink.
      Nov 1, 2018
    • Microsoft Ilovebeer
      OP you got it wrong bro. We are not liberals. Indians would probably fit into the mold of conservative republicans and hard-nosed capitalists. But this administration is playing on populism more than traditional conservatism. I am glad and happy you have it all sorted out. But Indians have to go through he pain of extending their visas, and trust me it is a scary fucking time
      Nov 1, 2018
    • But Indians are the #1 h1b frauds so it makes sense you are also affected the most
      Nov 1, 2018
    • Microsoft Ilovebeer
      you got issues
      Nov 2, 2018
  • Apple / Eng Schneider
    Basically, you got yours, so eff the rest.
    Nov 1, 2018 5
    • Microsoft / Eng yayssa
      OP
      Your reading comprehension sucks if that’s how you summarize my post.

      Alternative summary: there’s a distinction between legal and illegal immigrants. The current administration is not gunning for the legal immigrants. In fact it’s the best shot at a fair, merit based immigration system which would end country of birth based discrimination and endless GC queues.
      Nov 1, 2018
    • Vlocity FTJU
      Have you applied for a h1 transfer or extension recently or have had to get your Visa stamped? Don't talk crap if you don't know how difficult the current administration is making things for legal immigrants. Just stay quiet with your green card secure under your pillow. You never know when they come for it.
      Nov 1, 2018
    • Microsoft / Eng yayssa
      OP
      I have friends and ex coworkers who did so successfully, I might add. But I also heard horror stories, mostly here on Blind.

      I don’t believe it’s fair to blame the H1B lottery situation on the current administration or on the previous one even.
      Nov 1, 2018
    • Vlocity FTJU
      It's not about the lottery. Even people who have approved visas are being treated like crap. You clearly are out of touch with what is going on.
      Nov 2, 2018
    • Microsoft / Eng yayssa
      OP
      I’m sorry you feel that way and I hope things will improve for you. In my org of 300+ we have a few dozen H1Bs. So far only one had to move to Canada for a year and then return on L1 because he didn’t win the lottery. Several of my Indian coworkers told me they only do their visa stamping in Canada because of the way they are treated + risk of bad outcome at US embassy in India.

      Maybe your sample size is much larger than mine or maybe the problems exist but they are not as frequent as you make it sound.
      Nov 2, 2018
  • Google StringerB
    OP is an asshole. Doesn't care about anyone else, now that he is almost at the end of his GC journey. Typical desi. Fuck off.
    Nov 1, 2018 4
    • Microsoft Ilovebeer
      Desis supporting this administration, that terrorizes other desis, every 3 years, is hard to comprehend. Or may be, as you say, it is actually typical. Sad
      Nov 1, 2018
    • Microsoft / Eng yayssa
      OP
      I’m European. Desis support merit based immigration, as do I even though with the existing backlog it would disfavor my extended family.

      Typical liberal hypocrites who only care about the illegals. You don’t give a shit about the problems we as legal immigrants face.
      Nov 1, 2018
    • Microsoft Ilovebeer
      please tell me more about the problems legal immigrants face. I have been on a h1b visa for, goddamn i even forget how long it has been.
      Nov 1, 2018
    • Microsoft / Eng yayssa
      OP
      Has it been more than 2 years @ilovebeer? What has 8 years of Obama done for you? If there’s ever going to be a positive change it’s going to be through a merit based immigration system. Remind me again who is for that and who is opposing it?
      Nov 1, 2018
  • Microsoft J0lyr0ger
    Thats because you are not a criminal! Thanks for your hardwork and hopefully you get citizenship!
    Nov 1, 2018 1
    • Microsoft HURi57
      Lol
      Nov 2, 2018
  • Intel Isj91
    Brilliantly stated post
    Nov 1, 2018 0
  • Amazon hlp
    Every time we return from travels, I'm sitting in the plane, thinking: Have I checked all my documents for expiry? Have I checked every document for each child? Has my pretty common name been put on some sort of secret blacklist?

    Will they take my kids and put them for adoption?

    The chances are very low, you could say, and you are right, yes.

    If you think you followed the law to the letter, you are mistaken. That doesn't happen. I'm an ordinary person, but I'm breaking the law at least 5 times a day, and that's just what I know about.
    Nov 1, 2018 1
    • Microsoft / Eng yayssa
      OP
      I have to do all the same things you mentioned and that’s not only to get into the US, but also to be allowed to enter my country of citizenship & birth.

      Regarding having your kids taken away that’s really in the category of irrational fears. I would understand if you lived in one of the Scandinavian countries (just look up Barnevernet - Norway’s child “protection” services if you want to see real horror stories).
      Nov 1, 2018
  • LinkedIn / Eng
    dashazhu

    LinkedIn Eng

    BIO
    Full time coder and part time gold dealer.
    dashazhumore
    So H4 EADs are illegal? Why should they lose the right to make money?

    Questioning the birthright citizenship is crossing a dangerous line. Dictators classify certain kinds of people as enemies to direct hatred against them and destroy them one group after another. Maybe one day Trump will say you are not born here so your citizenship is revoked and he can F you whatever way he wants.
    Nov 1, 2018 6
    • Microsoft / Eng yayssa
      OP
      It’s ok to question birthright citizenship. After all, almost 220 countries do *not* have it, including all the most advanced economies.

      What’s not ok is for the executive to legislate with his pen or his phone. It was not ok when Obama created H4 EAD with the stroke of a pen and it’s not ok for Trump to deal with birthright citizenship the same way.

      H4 EAD is wrong on so many levels. Not only was it created out or thin air without proper legislative process, but it also doesn’t have the same protections for US workers (prevailing wage, etc.) that H1B has. It’s absurd that H4 EAD can have less restrictions than H1B. It’s only fair that it’s going to disappear as easily as it appeared.
      Nov 1, 2018
    • Vlocity FTJU
      Agree with the H4 EAD part. It's stupid.
      Nov 1, 2018
    • LinkedIn / Eng
      dashazhu

      LinkedIn Eng

      BIO
      Full time coder and part time gold dealer.
      dashazhumore
      So is it OK to question the citizenship of babies who were born to illegal parents? Do you think it is OK to take away their citizenships?

      Maybe one day your GC or citizenship will be questioned as well if this continues.

      I honestly don’t see why legal immigrants can remain calm. Trump killed DACA. He is going to kill H4 EAD next. He might then revoke citizenship of people born to illegal parents. All these people got their status legally.
      Nov 1, 2018
    • Microsoft / Eng yayssa
      OP
      It’s ok to question whether we want to keep doing that going forward. This is not about stripping anyone’s citizenship.

      The problem with DACA and H4 EAD is that they were created by the stroke of a pen. That’s not the president’s prerogative in any democracy. Not Obama’s and not Trump’s. There’s a legislative branch that needs to create these laws. In the current form anyone can challenge them in court and have them effectively annulled. That’s what happened to DAPA.

      You really need to understand the difference between not continuing a borderline illegal program and actively revoking someone’s status.
      Nov 1, 2018
    • Overstock.com / Eng SnlExpldr
      I 100% agree with the fact that Trump shouldn't do what Obama did with executive orders. It should be done through congress and the supreme court.

      Yes it's ok to question citizenship of babies that were born here ILLEGALLY. It's illegal for a reason and if the constitution never actually gave citizenship...it's not actually theirs.

      My wife came here legally...applied for citizenship legally...was granted citizenship...and is a citizen. That is the LEGAL process and should be the only way that citizens become part of the US. GC holders are more of a temporary citizen. They have to keep applying and abiding by the laws. They can apply for citizenship just like every other legal immigrant. It's not an easy process but is necessary.
      Nov 1, 2018
  • Cerner XLdG63
    Check back with me once you talk to fellow immigrants who are on H1B and trying to switch companies after this administration decided to suspend premium processing for months. I am an immigrant and do not fear Trump, not because I believe in his policies (he is so corrupt he makes Nixon look like a choir boy) but because he is so incompetent. Can't wait to see the results of the mid terms that's coming up soon.
    PS: I live in Kansas, Trump country and I can tell you things are looking pretty dire for the House Republicans.
    Nov 1, 2018 2
    • Intel Isj91
      What didn’t Trump get accomplished from his stated goals in his first two years? Seems pretty competent to me.
      Nov 1, 2018
    • Microsoft HURi57
      No matter how this trump thing played out, Trump supporters will say he accomplished a lot no matter what and non Trump supporters will say he accomplished nothing. Same old same old. Neither side will convince the other because both sets of sheep are entrenched in their thinking.
      Nov 2, 2018
  • Infosys / Product LoremIpsss
    It’s not even funny how illegality is getting mixed with H1 in this discussion here! Some people need to stop themselves from getting carried away.
    Nov 1, 2018 2
    • Microsoft / Eng yayssa
      OP
      Are you surprised at all? Just look at New York Times’s top story tonight: “With Congress at stake, Trump stokes fear of immigrants. Will it work?”
      Nov 1, 2018
    • Vlocity FTJU
      No one is mixing illegal immigration with H1. What's being questioned is the fact that people actually believe that Republicans and the current administration are in favour of making things easier for legal immigrants while it is clearly evident that it is deliberately being made difficult.
      Nov 2, 2018
  • Vlocity FTJU
    People keep talking about how the Republicans believe in a merit based system and making things better for legal immigrants. How the fuck can they not see how USCIS policies have changed since this administration came in. It has only become difficult for legal immigrants.
    Nov 1, 2018 0
  • Infosys / Product LoremIpsss
    I think yayssa is right but he/she has oversimplified the situation. I agree with Mr. McPee. It seems good until it’s good for you.
    Nov 1, 2018 3
    • Microsoft / Eng yayssa
      OP
      The system is by no means perfect. And in order for there to be any significant change it needs to be an act of congress. I’m sure other folks have a much more complicated legal situation than I had. I still got an RFE btw, so I wasn’t on the happiest of paths but I never doubted that it would all eventually work out since I knew everything was in perfect legal order.
      Nov 1, 2018
    • Infosys / Product LoremIpsss
      Don’t get me wrong. I totally agree. But from what I have heard, I have seen people get RFE for reasons they couldn’t understand. So... there is still some percentage of unknown and luck here.

      BTW, the change where straight rejection was allowed (no RFE) was borderline illegal itself. The administration cannot make such changes without taking it through the senate. But they did.
      Nov 1, 2018
    • Microsoft / Eng yayssa
      OP
      I might have this wrong but I believe there is a distinction between RFE and straight rejection on a basis of “is this a legitimate application with an almost complete set of the required documents” vs “is this a frivolous application that only serves the purpose of prolonging one’s legal stay in the US while it’s waiting adjudication”.

      Of course, it also depends on the agent assigned to your case. They should not have so much liberty but sadly they do. And this was also true during the Obama days. And it was not only true at USCIS but also at the point of entry. When my parents or in-laws visited I always thought there’s a big chance they would not be let into the US.
      Nov 1, 2018
  • Vlocity FTJU
    Good for you man. You are lucky it worked out for you. But there are some of us facing issues because of the deliberate tactics that this adminstration has been enforcing. Delayed transfers and approvals are actually leading to companies not considering folks who need sponsorships , people are stuck for months for visa stampings abroad when their petitions have already been approved.Visa rejections for even the most qualified candidates without any reasonable explanation and why the sudden and drastic increase in the number of rfes and rejections?
    I just hate to see people who have had it easy commenting on things they are not being impacted by. You are like the Indians who immigrated in the nineties and now have a problem with the other Indians coming in.
    Nov 1, 2018 0
  • Intel UGeJ58
    Just remember that you're GREEN CARD isn't valid for US entry due to Trump depending on where you are from
    Nov 1, 2018 0
  • Microsoft Mr Hyde
    You’ll get a lot of hate from the Indians, lol
    Nov 1, 2018 0
  • Microsoft / Eng Yeehawouch
    You're a fucking idiot.
    Nov 4, 2018 0
  • Microsoft SoloSolaCo
    Stfu OP
    Nov 1, 2018 0
  • Apple / Eng Scion
    I like your optimism. Don’t call us when his minions decides that you lied on your citizenship application because you didn’t mention those parking tickets you got in your home country, and revoke it.
    And don’t say “that’s not how it works”: this guys claims that he can end birthright citizenship by executive order even when almost everybody says it’s not how it work.
    Nov 1, 2018 0
  • Microsoft Ilovebeer
    Others’ fears look puny, when you have no reason to be afraid.
    Nov 1, 2018 0