Indefinite dev plan

Amazon WnIS35
May 14 21 Comments

Guys,
I've been on the dev plan since 3 months and counting. My manager when asked is being very diplomatic about the end of this plan. Can it go on for more than 3 months? Is there a limit to the time he can put me on it?

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  • Snapchat bFCN68
    If your manager doesn't provide any specific feedback and path to improvement, LC and switch
    May 1410
    • Amazon WnIS35
      OP
      LC when? On or after the plan?
      May 14
    • Amazon burntout!
      I believe he means LeetCode
      May 14
    • Amazon WnIS35
      OP
      Yes. I got that. My question was. When do I start it? On the plan or once I'm off it
      May 14
    • Amazon burntout!
      You should start applying immediately. Be ready with an external offer by the time to take severance comes. It’s probably between September to November that you’ll be pivoted but could be earlier too.
      Your dev Plan is a meer gimmick by Amazon and it is super stressful and painful if you want to stick with Amazon.
      May 14
    • Amazon WnIS35
      OP
      I have already been in the dev plan 3 months. Is it possible it might go to 6 months?
      May 14
    • Amazon / Productcvbx
      I know someone who was optimistic to get out, and was piped. Just interview outside and be ready with an offer
      May 14
    • Amazon burntout!
      Yes. Then a new dev plan can start basis mid year olr.
      I was on a dev plan Jan to April last year. Then my manager said I am out of it and left. Internal offers bailed out without feedback and I was pivoted November. Meaning I was on a official plan for 4 months and after 2 months gap on a silent dev list for 4 more months before being surprised by a pivot. I won my appeal and came back to square one with a new dev plan and pivot. I have terribly screwed my health and believe me the stress is not worth it. No compensation adjustment, no promo and a huge marathon to run. Company wins and you lose. Just take the severance and walk out. Don’t stress about what they are telling you since managers cook up all kind of stories here, even if they say you are out you can’t believe that as you can’t see it in the system. You have no access to your own performance data. That’s how terrible Amazon is. They’re just burning people in the name of ambiguity.
      They have targets to layoff 60% people who get dev listed. They’re more bothered about meeting those targets than anything that you do/say.
      May 14
    • Amazon WnIS35
      OP
      The only upside I see is that my stocks will vest
      May 14
    • Amazon burntout!
      Drag the process if you can but don’t rely and stress on it. All the best 👍🏻
      May 14
    • Amazon / Productcvbx
      So were you also re pivoted? That's sucks. Yeah take severance and vacation balance money and get out
      May 14
  • Amazon burntout!
    It can drag upto 6 months, by the time mid year olr happens and highly probable you’ll be LE again and will be pivoted. You need to focus on jumping ship if they’re not clear about the process/timelines with you. It is perpetual cycle of getting rated low and difficult to get out of being on the same team.
    May 148
    • Amazon WnIS35
      OP
      He said that he'd be talking to hr regarding the update. But also something along the lines that the longer it goes, it means that things are improving. I was thinking of taking the severence and leaving.
      May 14
    • Amazon burntout!
      That’s a good strategy. Do you have offers in hand. If not you should focus on interviewing
      May 14
    • Amazon WnIS35
      OP
      Well. I was given complete confidence that I would be taken off of it. But since the last week or so, I've seen the stance change completely. So I lost the time to focus outside and get other offers
      May 14
    • Amazon burntout!
      There is lot of ambiguity in the performance management processes setup by amazon and it’s not in your favor. It’s simply to burn and turn the bottom end of the stack. Once the pivot is activated you’d not have a lot of time on hand and it’s difficult to focus under the stress. I’d say chill about Amazon and start interviewing outside.
      May 14
    • Amazon WnIS35
      OP
      What about the tasks being given in office?
      May 14
    • Amazon / Productcvbx
      It's good to be optimistic about coming out from the dev plan. But please start interviewing aggressively. Managers wont think twice before pivoting you. Interviewing outside has not harm. Not interviewing and getting piped will be bad
      May 14
    • Amazon burntout!
      Your narrative about the tasks assigned has no value. Your manager has full power to build a narrative that benefits them. Don’t take these tasks to heart, do your best in the 8 hour bracket and work the hell on finding yourself a better place. If your job tasks were valuable you wouldn’t be in the dev plan, with all due respect you seem too naive to me.
      May 14
    • Amazon WnIS35
      OP
      I don't know how to take that. Because being so native has in fact put me in this position
      May 14
  • Google l3bee
    What is a dev plan? PIP?
    May 140

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