Infinite green card line

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Sep 7, 2018 36 Comments

I was thinking. Isn’t it easiest if you are Indian, to get a job in Europe for a regional eng office in london or Amsterdam, stay for 5 years and get your citizenship and then apply to relocate to the US HQ and apply as a European citizen?

Or is this shit all based on birth country and not citizenship?

If I’m wrong (which is possible) why would any Indian person come to the US knowing it is virtually impossible to settle here and put down roots? Asking as recently had a good friend go home to India as they wanted to settle and GC process was insane.

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TOP 36 Comments
  • New Egypt80
    It's based on country of birth, not citizenship
    Sep 7, 2018 7
    • New Egypt80
      I think people hope that the laws will change. 10 years ago a bill passed the house and I think some hold on to that as a sign that things could change..?
      Sep 7, 2018
    • Amazon / Eng sos567
      Better job opportunities and pay. Most people come with hope that someday laws will change or we will go back. After living for few years and get used here, it's tough to go back even will visa and gc issues
      Sep 7, 2018
    • VMware Slickwilly
      As an American citizen, country of birth seems wrong to me. Should be country of citizenship in my opinion. That is very weird.
      Sep 7, 2018
    • Apple Gg56fh
      Don’t they come here for the money and stay after they have kids?
      Sep 8, 2018
    • Qualcomm To-go pls
      VMware. As an Indian, if they change it to citizenship then people will easily become citizens of random countries to apply and get GC faster. Country of birth cant be changed.
      Sep 8, 2018
  • LinkedIn Chill!
    ‘Why ppl come here then’:
    1. Ppl who come here as students first and then get a job won’t think all that before coming. Lack of visibility and ignorance is bliss phenomenon plays a role there. It’s like everyone who goes there kinda does well impression.
    2. Point 1 was kind of right till around 2010 as the wait times for Indians was not so bad then. In fact in 2013 priority date had come till 2009 and I know ppl who have got greencard with only 5 yrs wait.
    3. Nowadays smarter ppl think why US and some ppl stay away and do well in India. I have also known some ppl come here as students and gain a few yrs of experience and plan the exit from US well.
    4. there are some super dumb ppl who are here until they have a job and don’t care. These ppl would generally never care for career or anything and be like whatever happens to many will happen to me.
    5. Then, there are ppl who are between the ones mentioned in point 3 and point 4, who have realized that mistake they made as mentioned in point 1. These ppl generally crib, try to lobby for a change, stay unhappy or finally move out of US when they realize enough is enough.

    And note, 90% of US immigration (greencard) is non-employment based immigration. There are soooooo many more who are ready to come here even without a job, typically with an economic status not as good as someone who comes here on job.

    So however bad is US immigration policy, there will be ppl coming. But the quality of ppl coming into US reduces with bad immigration policy.
    Sep 7, 2018 4
    • New Egypt80
      Do you think it's futile to lobby for change or just not the right thing to do since they are aliens, not citizens?
      Sep 7, 2018
    • Uber MLGw40
      You missed a group who just don't care about green card. They keep on extending their H1B as long as they could and are ready to go back if things go bad. I know H1B is not super convenient but it's not that bad if you are actually good at what you do and confident of finding another job if you lose the current one.
      Sep 7, 2018
    • Uber MLGw40
      @Egypt80 unfortunately Indians are not a big voting block so not a high priority for politicians.
      Sep 7, 2018
    • LinkedIn Chill!
      @Egypt80: By lobby I do not mean legal/technical meaning of lobby. I mean they share tweets, online posts mostly and all mostly directed at creating awareness.

      Don’t know if it is futile or wrong, but don’t see any harm in expressing views in a democracy.

      @MLGw40: They are a variant of ppl mentioned in point 5
      Sep 7, 2018
  • Console Connect / Mgmt gqDS15
    You can always accept American culture and marry an American or someone that has a different country of origin that’s on a visa that is adjustment of status eligible and can take advantage of the “cross chargeability.”
    Sep 7, 2018 4
    • New Egypt80
      True! Why don't more people do that? I guess it's a cultural thing though.
      Sep 7, 2018
    • Microsoft compiler
      Not easy for most people to find people who will understand their background and share similar likes and dislikes.
      Sep 7, 2018
    • Console Connect / Mgmt gqDS15
      I think it’s only hard if you make it a one way street. You need to accept other cultures as equal to your own for others to accept yours as equal as their.
      Sep 12, 2018
    • Microsoft compiler
      It's not about equality, but about being used to something. Eg I consider all languages equal, but almost impossible to marry someone with whom I have no common languages.
      Sep 12, 2018
  • Microsoft lHcN54
    Well, the question still remains why people would necessarily want to stay in the US but not in EU/Canada/Australia?
    Sep 7, 2018 2
    • New Egypt80
      Well, only the individual can answer for themselves
      Sep 7, 2018
    • New Egypt80
      Many go to Canada. Although if one is patient, I suppose things might work out. 15 year wait seems unsustainable and I think something might change..
      Sep 7, 2018
  • VMware LbSK81
    With PhD you can get a green card within a year regardless of country of birth
    Sep 7, 2018 4
    • Symantec O(logn)
      One has to survive PhD. Stats indicate that lot of candidates drop out
      Sep 7, 2018
    • Microsoft lHcN54
      Nope, not with any PhD. You have to prove to have extraordinary abilities to be eligible for EB-1 green card. So if you didn't publish a lot and got cited a lot there's no benefit.
      Sep 7, 2018
    • New Egypt80
      And that category is starting to have a backlog now
      Sep 7, 2018
    • Microsoft compiler
      It needs 100+ citations.
      Sep 7, 2018
  • Amazon I3JQHz
    It’s the country of birth, not citizenship. This system is adapted from 1925 national quota formula system which ranks races and ethnicities according to how desirable they are. Since there was no genetic test and birthplace is a better indicator for race and ethnicity, USCIS uses birthplace instead of citizenship for national quota since 1925.
    Sep 7, 2018 3
    • New Egypt80
      I thought it was 1965 and it was their way of being fair
      Sep 7, 2018
    • Amazon I3JQHz
      1965 is the immigration overhaul. But there are still things from 1925 stay until today. National quota is one of them, unfortunately.
      Sep 7, 2018
    • New Egypt80
      I know this is something they would like to reform but because people come here anyway, they don't see the urgency. Plus they know that there'll always be more demand than supply and country caps is just one way to control the flow. That's me being slightly cynical.
      Sep 7, 2018
  • Its based on country of birth. Also things weren't the same as it is today
    Sep 7, 2018 1
    • New Egypt80
      People still come today
      Sep 7, 2018
  • Expedia ecbi
    Be in US till u earn some good money and go back to India and live happy life closer to your parents.
    Also, I think salaries in India are being competitive these days, so, enjoy your stay in US for a few years and then go back.
    Sep 9, 2018 0
  • Oracle Orcleite
    May be it’s easy to manage in USA then non English speaking countries
    Sep 8, 2018 0
  • Apple Google L7
    Country of birth
    Sep 7, 2018 0
  • New Egypt80
    That's changing now, with the recent visa bulletin
    Sep 7, 2018 0