Opinions on the removal / banning of Infowars

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  • Amazon / Design!==!
    Private companies have the right to do this. Libertarians should celebrate the absence of government regulations here.
    Aug 614
    • Kronos / Othercilantra
      Create your own app store, free market amirite?
      Aug 6
    • Microsoft TrumpWins
      Social media companies are more than just private companies now. They are overtly used to sway political opinions. That's why Twitter now has to testify in front of congress over the issue of shadow banning conservatives.

      But if you want to act as if your service is a utility, don't get mad when certain people use it in ways you don't like. It's like a power plant getting mad about a certain group over the the way they're using the electricity at home.
      Aug 6
    • Amazon / Design!==!
      True, they’re way bigger than what they once were. So now what? We set thresholds for when regulations kick in? Seems like a reasonable topic of discussion. But antithetical to the typical libertarian trope.
      Aug 6
    • Adobe Vx0xV
      Should people like Alex Jones be entitled to a platform? Should powerful corporations acting contrary to foundational principles of liberal democracy be entitled to a corporate charter?
      Aug 7
    • Amazon / Design!==!
      Nobody is entitled to a platform, you’re just entitled not to be imprisoned or subjected to fines imposed by the government for speaking out about various things, up to and including the government.

      There are questions around how a corporation should behave in a corporatist system, sure. But again, that means devising some form of regulation and then enforcing it.

      I’m not necessarily opposed to that, I’m just opposed to rightwing deregulationists calling for regulations when it specifically suits them.
      Aug 7
    • Adobe Vx0xV
      Freedom of speech is an Enlightenment value. The 1st Amendment is a manifestation of that value. There seem to be a lot of people who are totally against censorship by public institutions and totally in favor of censorship via powerful private institutions. That doesn't seem like a particularly principled philosophical position.
      Aug 7
    • Amazon / Design!==!
      I’m not “for” that, at all. But how do you mandate that an organization behave according to enlightenment principles? To do so requires some sort of authority, somewhere, saying either do this or else. Is that the worst thing? No, probably not. We use the rule of law for all sorts of things. It’s just that the rightwing has fought for private organizations to behave as they please when it fits their ideology.

      So no, I don’t think private organizations should censor anyone, unless those people advocate violence. Alex Jones encouraged violence and otherwise violated terms of service so he set himself up for getting shut down. Too bad so sad.
      Aug 7
    • Kronos / Othercilantra
      @Adobe, I suppose I can agree with that up until you ask the government to make the private entity do something they don't want to do.
      Aug 7
    • Amazon / Design!==!
      That’s the thing, Adobe is fundamentally right but then how do you compel organizations or individuals to behave in a certain way without excessively intruding?

      Well, a Constitution and laws make for a good start. We have an imperfect system that’s still better than nearly all tested alternatives. If a consequence is that dudes like Alex Jones get censored now and then...so be it.
      Aug 7
    • Kronos / Othercilantra
      Liberals are able to make private entities make changes through boycotts. Conservative boycotts don't work because conservatives can't wrap their head around giving up something they like for the common good.
      Aug 7
  • Illumina User7493
    Infowars is full of lies. If there was a disclaimer: “warning: this channel is known to be full of lies” I’d totally support the right for it to be on YouTube or whatever.
    Aug 61
    • Cisco bingo!
      That should be attached to every Trump tweet (Warning: this tweet might contain lies)
      Aug 6
  • Facebook cbspwhf
    Most employees internally are against it but our leadership are sheep that do whatever Tim Cook does first.
    Aug 63
    • Tim Cook Facebook? Speaking for all of the employees of a company? What in the world is going on here
      Aug 6
    • Apple YMxz02
      I’m confused and happy to see we acquired FB and you don’t have leadership /s
      Aug 6
    • Apple Dr.Jcampus
      He’s saying FB employees think Mark is a sheep. He wouldn’t do shit unless Apple/Google do it first.
      Aug 6
  • Apple / EngJobsHand
    Stalin would be so proud!
    Aug 62
    • Kronos / Othercilantra
      Stalin allowed private companies to exist?! #newstome
      Aug 6
    • Microsoft / Engdeadpan
      Yes, Stalin. He was such a huge champion of the role of private enterprise in civil society. Really ahead of his time in that regard.
      Aug 7
  • Google ⚜️
    Dude incited violence and harassment, that not OK no matter who it's from.

    That said the people who are using this to push Apple to also ban NRA TV are fools.
    Aug 60
  • Apple Okidoki
    I won’t miss the “opinions” of people who believe in Clintons pedophile rings, blood drinking or that government does mind control via fluoride in the drinking water. It is not just lies, it is a total absurdity and I honestly don’t know how to reason with people who believe this. At least fewer people (possible) will get affected. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/trumps-news-source-alien-lizards-fluoride-mind-control-and-voter-fraud/2016/11/28/c0326c26-b5a0-11e6-b8df-600bd9d38a02_story.html
    Aug 62
    • Facebook cbspwhf
      If you think that's bad, there is this website Vox where they claim that your son can be a girl just by saying he's a girl.
      Aug 7
    • Apple Okidoki
      You can debate with Vox. You can’t debate with Alex Jones. That’s the difference.
      Aug 7
  • Microsoft UluturaBuk
    Here's an article on that I agree with:
    “In A Corporatist System Of Government, Corporate Censorship Is State Censorship” https://medium.com/@caityjohnstone/in-a-corporatist-system-of-government-corporate-censorship-is-state-censorship-eb8a8b486577
    Aug 63
    • Amazon / Design!==!
      Good points in there. I’m not necessarily defending the decision by private companies to censor the guy, as much as I’m pointing out that conservatives speak vehemently about not regulating businesses, but often get touchy about it when businesses do things they don’t like.
      Aug 6
    • Microsoft UluturaBuk
      So four private companies banned InfoWars simultaneously, and that's totally not censorship. Yeah, right. Free speech, sure, as long as it's the correct opinion. Just like before the Iraq invasion ALL private news outlets were ratcheting up public opinion in favor of the war. Mark my words, when they develop AI automatic censorship, it wouldn't even 'private company's decision'. It would be 'sorry, our AI is giving false positives bans because it thinks you're a adversary's bot, it is the algorithm's decision, not our position'.
      Aug 7
    • Amazon / Design!==!
      Are you aware of what the first amendment even says? Sorry dude but private companies get to do what they want.
      Aug 7
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    Insomzoniamore
    Good riddance. His ass was crazy.
    Aug 60
  • Apple / EngSgtTickles
    There’s no such thing as being too cruel to Alex Jones, Infowars, or those who love them.
    Aug 80
  • Google Noogler69
    Free publicity for Infowars
    Aug 61
    • Unity mexH82
      First time I heard of it was today.
      Aug 6
  • Uber / Eng
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    Net neutrality they say
    Aug 60
  • OpenTable Meliodas
    Private companies are free to ban lies and gossip from their platforms. Being a liar and gossip monger is not a protected classification.
    Aug 60
  • Credit Karma EllisDee25
    Screw infowars, but I’m not sure being removed from Facebook autocratically is the best situation.

    Here’s a left-wing take on the situation:

    https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/facebook-censorship-alex-jones-710497/

    It makes the point that going after a loathsome ass like Jones gives cover for more controversial or unwarranted removals.
    Aug 160
  • Microsoft / EngTier 1
    I’m sure this won’t be used as source material for InfoWars. Banning InfoWars will only reduce extremism.
    Aug 60

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