Intel Promoting Diversity good or bad.

Intel Fzqa64
Jun 21, 2018 87 Comments

Recently we have observed that many young and un-experienced women have been promoted to achieve group's diversity goal. Is it good for all the Male who have been working hard to get the promotion?

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  • Tesla @@@@!
    Working hard doesn't mean getting the work done.

    Put your envy away and focus on your own work. Promotions aren't a limited resource, just because a woman gets one doesn't mean an also-deserving male will go without.
    Jun 21, 201845
    • CareerBuilder JonDoe1
      Yes, of course I agree it's sexism that men are assumed to provide for families. Literally every feminist who has ever existed agrees with that statement. Sexism harms both genders in different ways. It just harms women a lot more. How do you even survive with this level of ignorance? Do you need somebody to help you pay your bills?
      Jun 21, 2018
    • Sapient Razorfish
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      Which of these facts shows women are harmed more than men?

      * Women live longer than men
      * More men are homeless than women
      * Men are murdered more than women
      * Men are victims of violent crime more than women
      * Women initiate 73% of divorces
      * Men pay 96% of alimony
      * Men lose parental custody in 82% of divorces

      How do you butter toast with this level of ineptitude?

      #feministliesmatter
      Jun 21, 2018
    • CareerBuilder JonDoe1
      LOL well, the last 3 actually are indicative of women being harmed more than men. You should proofread your posts more thoroughly
      Jun 21, 2018
    • Sapient Razorfish
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      Naw. That’s your bias showing
      Jun 21, 2018
    • CareerBuilder JonDoe1
      startup idea: invent leetcode for critical thinking so you idiots can learn how to do it and I can have an intelligent conversation on the internet for once
      Jun 21, 2018
    • General Mills Depressing
      Sapient - these are so selective. If you want to talk about violence and divorce can you also pull up percentages on what percent of men vs women are initiators of violence? Whether it be gun violence, murder or domestic violence.
      Jun 21, 2018
    • Sapient Razorfish
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      Your business ideas are as valuable as your leftist ideas: nil
      Jun 21, 2018
    • General Mills Depressing
      Also why are you assuming men are the primary providers and protectors of their family? Even the phrasing of that is so loaded! Is your whole argument based on the “fact” that men pay the bills so they should always get preferential treatment at work in comparison to a woman?
      Jun 21, 2018
    • Sapient Razorfish
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      GM, as I’ve said before, whomever chooses to devote their efforts to work should be rewarded for that: man or woman.

      If a man wants to take a few years off work (or not work overtime) and a woman devotes years and long weeks to her career, the man has no right to come back in and demand unfair advantage over the woman who put in the effort.
      Jun 21, 2018
    • CareerBuilder JonDoe1
      Give it up, GM. Salient lacks the capacity for critical thought or to go beyond surface level on topics
      Jun 22, 2018
  • Apple MacFan
    I see a lot of insecurity and jealousy. If you are underpaid, make sure to get out of your cozy gig at Intel and apply for other companies.
    Jun 21, 201810
    • Amazon / Eng
      Hooliganss

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      That doesn’t appear to address the problem at hand though
      Jun 21, 2018
    • Sapient Razorfish
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      MacFan, you’re suggesting to ignore discrimination?
      Jun 21, 2018
    • Apple MacFan
      I'm suggesting that OP sees discrimination because they are women, if they were white men he would see at worst am asshole getting promoted and at best someone who deserves it. I'm stating that the only problem that exists is in OP head and hence I'm solving the problem by providing him alternatives out of the environment he finds oppressing.
      You could say I'm the only one actually addressing the real problem.
      Jun 21, 2018
    • Sapient Razorfish
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      Or, you’re normalizing/rationalizing discrimination.
      Jun 21, 2018
    • SCE / Other
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      @Apple, are you suggesting that companies aren’t giving preferential treatment to women when promoting them to management?
      Jun 21, 2018
    • SCE / Other
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      Because it’s literally one of my companies corporate goals...
      Jun 21, 2018
    • Sapient Razorfish
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      SCE, That’s messed up!
      I can only image the myriad of EEOC class action lawsuits that will occur
      Jun 21, 2018
    • Apple MacFan
      SCE I'm saying that deserving women are being promoted over undeserving men as opposed to what has happened for years
      Jun 21, 2018
    • Apple / Other
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      In my previous company, it was a stated corporate goal to have more women in the upper ranks. I personally have been told to wait for my promotion while women who I absolutely know (and so did the management) were technically less accomplished than me.. nothing to minimize the excellent work other women do and get promoted, but in my specific case, it reeked of reverse bias!
      Jun 24, 2018
    • Sapient Razorfish
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      👆Happens at this company too.
      Jun 25, 2018
  • SCE / Other
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    Same experience at my company. It’s BS
    Jun 21, 20183
    • Sapient Razorfish
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      Jun 21, 2018
    • General Mills Depressing
      Don’t do that. Disagree fine but don’t minimize the sexual abuse that women have faced and shared with the #metoo tag because you are upset you aren’t getting promoted. There’s no comparison.
      Jun 21, 2018
    • Indeed / MgmtTV1991X
      They've already minimized it enough themselves by pushing 5-second glances as a metoo issue.
      Jun 21, 2018
  • CareerBuilder JonDoe1
    Young and inexperienced men have been promoted for years
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    • General Mills Depressing
      Truth
      Jun 21, 2018
    • SCE / Other
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      I agree, but it doesn’t mean that we should change stances and promote young and inexperienced women instead. How about just promoting the most qualified human being?
      Jun 21, 2018
    • VMware
      Only undiverse white or asian man can be unqualified, womyn and minorities are always alternatively experienced and qualified.
      Jun 21, 2018
    • CareerBuilder JonDoe1
      Because identifying the most qualified human is actually an extremely difficult thing to do. Don't you think we wouldn't be promoting unqualified men of it were easy not to do so?
      Jun 21, 2018
    • SCE / Other
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      I agree that it’s hard to do. I’m just saying we should try. This thread is promoting discriminating against men.
      Jun 21, 2018
    • CareerBuilder JonDoe1
      No it isn't. When there isn't a level playing field, it isn't discrimination to level it.
      Jun 21, 2018
    • General Mills Depressing
      ^ 👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽
      Jun 21, 2018
  • VMware
    Spectre and Meltdown happened only due to the lack of diversity and inclusion in engineering teams. I'm happy that Intel is working hard on building the supportive and collaborative environment. Engineering is overrated
    Jun 21, 201811
    • VMware
      I would use term "straight males" instead of "guys" cause it hurts the feelings of LGBTQ community
      Jun 21, 2018
    • Microsoft chpmnk
      Curious if you have sources to back the claim, seems like an interesting story. Why did that lead to Spectre and meltdown
      Jun 21, 2018
    • VMware
      Because speculative execution and caching the protected data without those oppressive "privilege checks" is diverse and inclusive. There would be no discriminative "privileges" at all!
      Jun 21, 2018
    • Microsoft chpmnk
      I'm still confused at this whole thread right now. What source with data proves these statements relating to team gender/race makeup causing specific amount of bugs or critical bugs?
      Jun 21, 2018
    • Amazon / Eng
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      VMware guy knows what’s up. Chpmnk id prefer it if you didn’t question the process, thanks
      Jun 21, 2018
    • Microsoft chpmnk
      @Hooliganss you are right I will never question process's again. Please forgive my bout of critical thinking
      Jun 21, 2018
    • Apple / EngHandJobs
      😂😂😂
      Jun 21, 2018
    • LinkedIn plqlsodowl
      He's making a joke, chpmnk.
      Jun 21, 2018
    • Microsoft chpmnk
      Plqlsodowl took me a bit but I did catch the clever sarcasm eventually. I appreciate the correction regardless :)
      Jun 21, 2018
    • LinkedIn pghtyad
      ♥️ ;)
      Jun 22, 2018
  • Amazon Bicameral
    Do you have data to support this? Can you accurately assess candidates for promotion and objectively compare their contributions? Is there not some rubric used to qualify people for promotions and people who check all the boxes can qualify?

    Maybe your issue is with the promotion process- not women. I'm sure there are men who slip through because politics, friends, luck, attrition

    Don't deny women their intelligence, grit and hard work and value without equally denying it to men
    Jun 21, 20183
    • General Mills Depressing
      This. Yes.
      Jun 21, 2018
    • SCE / Other
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      I’ve said it a couple times already, but my personal data to support this is that my company has a corporate goal stating that they are intentionally promoting women to leadership positions. I am calling for equality. Women are badass and I have a lot of respect for them, I am definitely not trying to “deny women their intelligence, grit and hard work and value.”
      Jun 21, 2018
    • Amazon Bicameral
      That's not data. That's company PR and lip service

      Data is:
      Avg years experience men vs woman between promotions

      How much $$$ do they bring in
      Attrition rates on teams
      Rate of deliverables

      Whatever objective numbers people use to quantify this stuff and compare between genders

      It's never in the business best interest to promote underqualified or ineffective people. If they are actually promoting based on gender I'm sure they are collecting data to see if it's literally paying off
      Jun 21, 2018
  • Amazon Morecoffee
    A lot of my more feminine traits get devalued - getting groups to consensus, strong mentor, etc - because success in Tech has been define by stereotypical masculine attributes. Maybe these newly-promoted leaders are better than you are giving them credit?
    Jun 24, 20181
    • CareerBuilder JonDoe1
      I thought getting groups to consensus was a masculine trait?
      Jun 24, 2018

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